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Post match: Liverpool v Watford (EPL 27/2/2019 8pm)

Man of the match

  • Alisson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alexander-Arnold

    Votes: 86 51.2%
  • Matip

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Van Dijk [GOAL 80’, GOAL 82’]

    Votes: 10 6.0%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Fabinho

    Votes: 31 18.5%
  • Milner [off 69’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wijnaldum [off 84’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Salah

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Origi [GOAL 66’]

    Votes: 6 3.6%
  • Mane [GOAL 9’, GOAL 20’, off 77’]

    Votes: 28 16.7%
  • Henderson [on 69’]

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Lallana [on 77’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keita [on 84’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    168
  • Poll closed .

Flobs

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I realise this is an unpopular opinion here, but it's funny how whenever Henderson doesn't play we do a lot better, not having to suffer him slowing the play down to a grinding halt in the middle of the pitch whilst screaming his head off at everyone. There's a definite pattern there.
Yet we scored whilst he was on. The player that didn't play was Firmino.
Firmino hasn't had a great season. Last season he didn't get going until after January. On form he's a great player, when he shows greater agression than we have seen this season. I consider Firmino the greater importance and Mané just showed him that he has to do better.
Also Fabinho is a better DM than Henderson or Wijnaldum. Wijnaldum has been playing much better on a more consistent basis since he has been getting up the pitch a bit more however we are still very reliant on our front 3 when it comes to scoring and getting that ticking is more important than bemoaning our uncreative midfield.
 
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lfc.eddie

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I love this club. This wonderful club built on socialist principles by that working class hero, Bill Shankly. By the way, I vote Conservative. I just thought I'd let you know that as it makes me sound rich.
Come on.... I have never mentioned who I voted for. :unhappy:
 

Flobs

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Matip is getting better and better. Ok i still feel he lacks agression however his positioning has improved immensely. He has that ability (like Fabinho) to get something in the way at opportune moments and his passing ability has never been in doubt. Lovren might return to the bench.
 
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To play devil's advocate for the devil's advocate, I think most can appreciate that you bring a different perspective, even if it's one that we mostly disagree with.

Hope you enjoyed the win!
I always enjoy the wins, I just moan more about the non wins than most. ;-)

Was pleased to see TAA in good form and bending it like Beckham, Origi offering something, Mane and Mo more like themselves, Fabinho getting better and better, Robertson looking like he'd had a good sleep (maybe his new baby is the reason he's been tired) and more besides.

Decent but attack minded opposition at home have never been the problem though, so let's hope we gain similar results in the more troublesome matches.

The next three PL matches are key, as in the seven after the international break we have tough home matches versus Spurs, Chelsea, Wolves, plus away days at relegation threatened sides and a resurgent Newcastle.

The conundrum is Henderson. We really do look better without him.
 

Maria

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I watched the highlights again. I was amazed by Mo, the way he was sprinting back and forth up and down the pitch would give someting Usain Bolt to worry about.
What can I say about TAA, our local boy has come of age now. He was another level with those superb crosses. Cafu said some lovely words about TAA, and if he continues to work hard, he will be one of the world's greatest Right-back. We have just started to see his talent and there is a lot more to come. I feel he will be vital during our Champions League campaign.
 

Arminius

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The thing that amazes me about Mo is the degree to which refs still allow him to be manhandled. The holding their LB was doing to stop Mo breaking away in the lead up to what i think was the second goal was absurd.
The commentator on the broadcast I was watching actually laughed at Masina's protesting his yellow, which he got for an utterly obvious hold on the shirt.
 



sportbilly1966

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Yes that is a great observation
Lots of intense tracking back by Mo too
I think tha
Maybe one for the player thread but another player I think has started to string a run of quality games together is Matip (someone I've been critical of in the past).

Defensively I thought he was better than Van Dijk and actually saved his bacon a few times (Van Dijk was caught ball watching etc.)

If he could learn to be an offensive threat in the air he would make that step to top class central defender. Let's hope he keeps fit from now until the end of the season.
Totally agree on the Matip shout he gas become more aggressive defending on the front foot, however it was his defensive covering that caught my eye. He made that early covering clearance when Deulofeu got behind and put a cross in and in the 2nd half they again broke down our left and he was again covering in the perfect position, but didn't have to clear as it was a good cross, just great positioning throughout imo.
 

sportbilly1966

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I have a wonderful life. A great and successful career. I am well educated. In every respect I am superior to you. I have travelled the world, sailed the seven seas and this has brought me into contact with different creeds and cultures from every corner of the globe. Through my travels my mind has been opened to everything that the world has to offer. The main thing I have learnt from this is that people are vile and hate scousers. I am Liverpool born and bred and those of you who are not can never understand the pain of being constantly stereotyped by arrogant gobby Mancs, annoying cheeky chappy Cockneys, tight Yorkshiremen, drunken Scots and don't even get me started on foreigners.

I love this club. This wonderful club built on socialist principles by that working class hero, Bill Shankly. By the way, I vote Conservative. I just thought I'd let you know that as it makes me sound rich.

Now that I have made you feel inferior and have even maybe extracted a little of your sympathy I can start to talk down to you about football.

Klopp is a serial loser. Forget all those pots and pans he won in Germany. They don't count as they undermine my argument. Even though he always does the direct opposite of what I tell him to do and we usually end up winning, you should only focus on the times when we do not win. On these occasions I knew what to do and Klopp didn't. This makes me superior to Klopp as well as you. It is always simply a case of replacing a player that Klopp played with a different player that I would have played. If this had happened then the result is reversed. That is how football works.

Our squad is ill-equipped for a title challenge. Although this opinion suggests that Klopp is working a miracle you are to ignore that as it undermines my argument about Klopp being a serial loser who constantly makes mistakes. To build a squad that competes you need at least two players of exactly the same quality in every position on the pitch. Really good players are very happy to sit on the bench and never get a game and just take huge wages for doing fuck all. This is how you build team spirit.

The reason our squad is ill-equipped is that FSG are extracting money from the club. No one else knows this but me. They do it by slicing money off the commercial deals they broker for the club and by appointing FSG people like Mike Gordon and Billy Hogan who then have the cheek to take a salary. This is Liverpool FC cash that belongs to the club. The same club that didn't have a pot to piss in 9 years ago. If only FSG would stop this and stop giving us huge loans that the club pay back at a measly 2% interest so we can rebuild Anfield and have state of the art training facilities then we would not have had to loan out Nathaniel Clyne.

Above all I am always right. I have a broken clock in my expensive house and it is right twice a day. This is a fact and you can not argue against it. By constantly predicting the worst possible outcome in every single scenario I am always going to be right occasionally and when I am it gives me no pleasure at all to come on here, or in the Liverpool Echo comments section, and say 'I told you so'. Or maybe it does, just a little bit.

4 wins in 10.
Can I report this guy as a banned member?
 

belldiouf

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Agree on the Matip sentiments. To be honest, you would struggle to find a better 4th choice CB at any other club in the league. He is benefiting from an extended run in the team, as all players do.

I wouldn't be surprised if Origis performances also continue to improve if he has an extended run in the team. You could apply the same logic to any player really, Lallana, Sturridge included.
 



Dimitriy

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Yes,
..."Above all I am always right. I have a broken clock in my expensive house and it is right twice a day"
This is what I dread from/of... I doesn't have to be 4 out of 10, It may come to a point when somebody like Mahrez is going to turn a game around..
...After the New Castle game, I thought that, against the odds, we got them ! And that it depends on us to finnish it of. Now, I hope that the likes of Mahrez will not "show up", and we enter the last 10 game on par with a point ahead...
@Billy Biskix, you were a bit harsh in parts, I supose you were provoked, but I think you are spot on ...
All the best :well done:
 

Lowton_Red

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Why? Can someone please explain to me? It's been troubling me all day.

We play like we played last night and cruise to a 5-0 victory. It was a joy to watch; so many contenders for man of the match - VVD, Trent, Fab, Mané, take your pick. Beautiful football, truly sublime at times. We were simply unstoppable and we swept Watford away. They didn't get a look in despite being on a high, having beaten Cardiff 5 - 1 in their previous match.

So how come we were so (comparatively) poor against manure? I don't believe that it is simply down to the presence of TAA, albeit he was a genuine contender for man of the match with his hat trick of assists.

Can anyone explain how / why it was so different?

Not that I'm complaining; I'll take that sort of result every day of the week and twice on Sundays, which just so happens to be when we face the blueshite.

No doubt they (the blueshite) will fancy their chances, being on a high, having beaten Cardiff 3 - 0 in their previous match.

Didn't do the previous team to beat Cardiff much good though, did it. :think:

So, come on you Redmen. We go again.
 

santana

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watford is a system and man utd is another system so when liverpool suffered against man utd it means you need to change the system for example try 433 if it fail try 4231 another fail try 442 so it is a clash of systems formations style play !
 

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Why? Can someone please explain to me? It's been troubling me all day.

We play like we played last night and cruise to a 5-0 victory. It was a joy to watch; so many contenders for man of the match - VVD, Trent, Fab, Mané, take your pick. Beautiful football, truly sublime at times. We were simply unstoppable and we swept Watford away. They didn't get a look in despite being on a high, having beaten Cardiff 5 - 1 in their previous match.

So how come we were so (comparatively) poor against manure? I don't believe that it is simply down to the presence of TAA, albeit he was a genuine contender for man of the match with his hat trick of assists.

Can anyone explain how / why it was so different?

Not that I'm complaining; I'll take that sort of result every day of the week and twice on Sundays, which just so happens to be when we face the blueshite.

No doubt they (the blueshite) will fancy their chances, being on a high, having beaten Cardiff 3 - 0 in their previous match.

Didn't do the previous team to beat Cardiff much good though, did it. :think:

So, come on you Redmen. We go again.
TAA+Bobby+we’re human maybe?
 

GermanRed

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@Lowton_Red ManU had the home advantage. They defended deeper and with more men behind the ball and maybe we have to admit that ManU have some quality players.

Watford came to play football - makes it easy for us to unleash our style.

Burnley - a team with 10 points less than Watford - won’t be coming to play football next week and we might struggle again.
 



santana

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and another note :
when the front suffered after 30 min try to do a trick and change positions mane go left firmino go midfield naby go striker salah go right and check at that time is it working is it breaking lines and produce more chances ?
 

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The thing that amazes me about Mo is the degree to which refs still allow him to be manhandled. The holding their LB was doing to stop Mo breaking away in the lead up to what i think was the second goal was absurd.
Yes I agree he did it several times almost with impunity but that lad got booked but I’m afraid a lot of teams do that now to put him off and then when he goes down they turn round to accuse him of diving so unfair in fact Mr Dunn of the mirror said that the defenders that do that are as big a cheat as the strikers who dive