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Post match: Napoli 2-0 Liverpool (UCL 17/9/19 8pm)

Man of the match

  • Adrian

    Votes: 63 70.0%
  • Alexander-Arnold

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Matip

    Votes: 16 17.8%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • Fabinho

    Votes: 50 55.6%
  • Henderson [on 87’]

    Votes: 10 11.1%
  • Milner [off 67’]

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Salah

    Votes: 4 4.4%
  • Firmino

    Votes: 4 4.4%
  • Mane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wijnaldum [on 67’]

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Shaqiri [on 87’]

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .


South American Red

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Respectfully disagree. Neither were we disjointed, nor was our midfield poor, nor was Koulibaly flawless and definitely it was never the worst hiding and all. The front three were lacking at bit, and it is always a difficult place to go and play. They were good no doubt, but on the run of play we fared pretty well.
Semis is way too ambitious for them. Teams like city struggle to get there, doubt napoli over course of season can be this good throughout.

I meant poor and disjointed for our own high standarts.

I think This one might be in the top 3 worst defeats of the season.

Too ambitious??They are the 2nd team in Italy. Roma did It a couple of Seasons with a lesser squad, and Napoli Just beat the reining Champions, that's not easy.
 

Noo Noo

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Slept on the game last night and my views haven't really changed much.

I think it's probably better to focus on the fact that we didn't score, despite some opportunities and that ultimately lead to the result. The penalty is what it is, if it was reversed then we'd be more than happy to take it so as much as its a kick in the goonies it is what it is.

Had we scored however, I think we get a result from the game. That's where we went wrong last night in my book
 

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Still annoyed about how things turned out. Brych has form of fucking us over but that doesn't excuse Robertson's poor attempt that made it easier to reward the dive or out total inability to make good some very promising counterattacks.

This sort of thing has been happening in tough away matches. Can't put away really good chances, whereas we invariably pay for some lapse in concentration. We have to be more cynical in these games.
 



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Especially Mané took things too lightly not concentrated enough, thought te passing of Matip was poor too. The overall performance of Robertson was not what we are used from him.

It happens, they are not robots, let's trach Chelsea on Sunday.
 

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Strange match, we were in control for the most part but couldn't score which is really rare these days.

I think we played a good passing game, our defense looked strong (until they scored that pen and VVD turned offensive) midfield did a good job, especially Henderson I think. Our attack was not sharpe tho, Firmino was pretty anonmous, Mane's end product was out of touch and Salah didn't manage to get a clear cut chance as he usually does, mainly cuz Mane was out of touch in that two on two situation and went for difficult pass when he probably should had just go for the goal himself(kinda ironic really)

Napoli did alright, they were in fighting mode, not there to play fair and were fully committet to it. The ref sadly falled for their antics and set the standard to their advantage. It kinda feelt like those old school games away at stoke or whatnot when the ref allowed the opponent to go extra hard on our players and totally ruined our play.

How on earth could the ref ignore koulibaly literally swing his hand with power into Mane face and not give him a wording about it?! The pen was so dive intended and he fell for it, Napoli played this ref like a fiddle. Very dissapointed in him and he's suppose to be one of the most experienced ref in the game. and VAR gone missing makes you wonder what the heck it's there for.

It's not a disaster in itself but it's gonna turn into an issue now that we can't seem to win away in CL group stage. The media is gonna blow it up everytime we play away as they love to promote negativety, I can already see Klopp's frustrated face when he has to answer one stupid troll question after another about it.
 
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redaderry

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Not overly bothered tbh. Played well away and got beat, kind of against the run of play, remind you of any recent CL tie? We'll do them back in Anfield. We'll also do Genk and Salzburg.
Talk that we are unable to win away in the CL, we won the fucking think last year ffs:ROFLMAO:
 

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Still annoyed about how things turned out. Brych has form of fucking us over but that doesn't excuse Robertson's poor attempt that made it easier to reward the dive or out total inability to make good some very promising counterattacks.

This sort of thing has been happening in tough away matches. Can't put away really good chances, whereas we invariably pay for some lapse in concentration. We have to be more cynical in these games.
100% Klopp needs to rotate more, that should keep concentration levels up. He'll run the likes of Robbo, Mane, Salah, Firmino, Trent into the ground if he's not careful.
 



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Thought Adrian and Fabinho were superb. Disgraceful decision to decide that the penalty incident wasn't checked out on VAR.

I thought the lads played really well, I think a draw would have been a fair result. I just hope we can direct out anger towards Chelsea and bag the 3 points on Sunday.
 

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How can this be a penalty? Robbo clearly gets the ball before the cheating [email protected] dives.
The ref was just waiting for his chance to give the pen.
You see I don't think he did get the ball. Looking at that I'm pretty sure the Napoli lad got the touch which shows just how hard that was for the referee. I noticed Robertson didn't protest much.
 

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A middle of the road performance, we had a few chances but for once we couldn't convert them. Have to say I do think we need to tighten up, we were very open at times. Plenty of time to turn the group on it's head. Glad we don't have Napoli every week tough place to go.
 

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You see I don't think he did get the ball. Looking at that I'm pretty sure the Napoli lad got the touch which shows just how hard that was for the referee. I noticed Robertson didn't protest much.
If you were in his position you might not protest, as you would expect VAR, the honest arbitrator to rule the penalty out.
And I think Robbo got the ball and the attacker sought contact. Poor decision.
 



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If you were in his position you might not protest, as you would expect VAR, the honest arbitrator to rule the penalty out.
And I think Robbo got the ball and the attacker sought contact. Poor decision.
So it wasn't clear and obvious then because even slowed down and viewed time and time again you only think Robertson got the ball. It most certainly isn't clear who did get the first touch. I agree with @Dane ........if it had been against one of our players we would not have questioned it.
 

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I'm not sure about that to be honest. We are both Liverpool fans, thus naturally biased, and still discuss about whether that was a pen or not. For you, it isn't one, for me it is, as there is clear contact. Anyway, we won't agree on that, so it's time to let it go.
This is whee I despair at where the game has gone. It has become so convoluted and so confused by the noise of "experts" who have fucking idea what they are talking about that sensible people with ordinarily sensible views are confused into making comments like that. Contact is neither a sufficient nor necessary condition to give a foul. What matters is whether the player was impeded by the failure of the defender to win the ball. What is completely evident is that Callejon going down was a purely voluntary act and was initiated before any contact between the two of them was made. The next question then is whether he felt had to to protect himself or because Robbo's outstretched leg unfairly impeded him. That is not even the argument you are making so I dont think you would say yes to that. It is therefore not a foul.

Importantly, and this is where the conversation gets confused, the above considerations are distinct from whether you can understand why the ref gave it and whether Robbo made a mistake. The answer to both of those is yes, but even the combination of those two things does not mean it was actually a foul. The awarding of the penalty is still as undeniably wrong as a subjective decision can be. This is what VAR was brought in for. It's not here to make process decisions (rule on the ref's thought process), but outcome decisions. It is right that the bar is high to overturn a subjective decision like was an attempted tackle a foul, but if the bar is so high that this cannot be over turned then it is effectively theatre.

As for the game, we have been to Naples a few times in recent years and always been poor. The combination of the hostile environment, a genuinely good team with a good home record, and the poor facilities probably account for that. I dont think any opinions should change about any of our players or our prospects for the season on the basis of a game yesterday in which we actually showed considerable improvement over recent years despite the loss.
 

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So it wasn't clear and obvious then because even slowed down and viewed time and time again you only think Robertson got the ball. It most certainly isn't clear who did get the first touch. I agree with @Dane ........if it had been against one of our players we would not have questioned it.
The prick throws himself at Robertson's leg instantly knowing that he can't reach the ball after his heavy touch. And still, there isn't much contact. Whether or not Robertson got the ball is irrelevant. Masterful dive on his part, never a penalty. VAR fucked up again.

By the way, correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall you once disagreeing with a contentious decision that went against us.
 

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Not overly bothered tbh. Played well away and got beat, kind of against the run of play, remind you of any recent CL tie? We'll do them back in Anfield. We'll also do Genk and Salzburg.
Talk that we are unable to win away in the CL, we won the fucking think last year ffs:ROFLMAO:

Away form won't be a problem come May. Anfield East (Istanbul) is like home to us now, anyway.
 



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The prick throws himself at Robertson's leg instantly knowing that he can't reach the ball after his heavy touch. And still, there isn't much contact. Whether or not Robertson got the ball is irrelevant. Masterful dive on his part, never a penalty. VAR fucked up again.

By the way, correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall you once disagreeing with a contentious decision that went against us.
We should definitely have been awarded a penalty for the foul on Matip in the Newcastle game....happy now :) ?

The goal that inter Milan scored against us in the European Cup Semi Final should not have stood.

There's two for starters.

BTW I noticed that both Ronnie Whelan and Steve Warnock thought it was the correct decision after viewing the slow mos. I tend to respect the opinions of lads who have played at that level as opposed to............
 
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We should definitely have been awarded a penalty for the foul on Matip in the Newcastle game....happy now :) ?

The goal that inter Milan scored against us in the European Cup Semi Final should not have stood.

There's two for starters.

BTW I noticed that both Ronnie Whelan and Steve Warnock thought it was the correct decision after viewing the slow mos. I tend to respect the opinions of lads who have played at that level as opposed to............
.. Klopp? :unsure:
 



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We should definitely have been awarded a penalty for the foul on Matip in the Newcastle game....happy now :) ?

The goal that inter Milan scored against us in the European Cup Semi Final should not have stood.

There's two for starters.

BTW I noticed that both Ronnie Whelan and Steve Warnock thought it was the correct decision after viewing the slow mos. I tend to respect the opinions of lads who have played at that level as opposed to............
Warnock took back his initial comment though after seeing the slow mos. I didn't follow the live BBC radio broadcast but in the redacted live thread on the website he says that the referee 'may have been conned there'
 

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The narrative that I’ve seen forming in the media is that it wasn’t a penalty, but Robbo gave the Ref a decision to make.

I understand that, and I don’t blame the ref for thinking it’s a penalty.

What I don’t understand is why there is no discussion on the role of VAR which is supposed to sort this out. Yes, Robbo gave the ref a decision to make, and VAR is supposed to get involved if he got it wrong.

Is that so difficult?
 

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I was never a fan of VAR, because too many decisions are about opinions.
This week has proved me right.

In 1 game you can drag an attacking player by the neck and VAR is happy that no penalty is awarded.

In the very next game your defender can rub socks against an attacker and VAR is happy for it to be a penalty.

The good news - at least they have generated jobs for 10 useless, brain-dead low-lifes, who otherwise would be unemployable. Now they can sit in a warm VAR van with lots of TVs for a couple of hours.
I bet they were all watching Jeremy Kyle or something, and quickly said "No Penalty" to allow them to find out "who is the dad".

Useless pointless system.
 

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Having slept on it, my view is we didn’t play badly, just maybe slightly off in front of goal. It was a tough game against a very good opponent, and they were highly motivated for revenge after we knocked them out last year. We basically held our own but a weak penalty undid it.

It has become a trend that the refs need some training and awareness on. The attacking player initiates the contact. Usually it happens when they leave their feet and jump, or dive, force contact with the defender, and then it looks like a thing. Some are quite good at it, and refs are getting conned.

Last night Robbo also tried to poke the ball away and didn’t get clear contact, so with a “skillful” attacker (read snide, cheat) to exploit the situation, the ref was conned.

The point is well made about VAR as it should be used to clean up injustice like that, but the bias seems to be in favour of protecting the ref and reenforcing his mistake, so VAR use needs to evolve.

They roughed us up a bit, Koulibaly in particular, but basically they did what they had to do, and we almost did, but were just slightly short on the night in front of goal.

Plenty of time to regroup and go through. A top team like us has to move on quickly from a bad result and not let it linger.

Three points against Chelsea please!
 

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Still annoyed about how things turned out. Brych has form of fucking us over but that doesn't excuse Robertson's poor attempt that made it easier to reward the dive or out total inability to make good some very promising counterattacks.

This sort of thing has been happening in tough away matches. Can't put away really good chances, whereas we invariably pay for some lapse in concentration. We have to be more cynical in these games.
I'm curious. What did you expect him to do?