- Apr 28, 2015
My answer is he has to do one of two things:I'm curious. What did you expect him to do?
Robbos foot is clearly on the ground when he decides to 'tom Daley' with two feet to propel him 2 foot off the ground...if Robbo reads any of these replies...he needs to know he was done by a cheat....just go out and annihilate the cheats....and the defender who thumped Sadio on the sly, needs a good slap.....Rant over!!! But Gordon bennet VAR needs to be looked at...
Is the referee missing a dive not ‘clear and obvious’?It all hinges on the definition of clear and obvious error. A ball handled on the line and missed by the ref is clear and obvious. I maintain by the self imposed constraints of VAR, last night's decision was not. Maybe they need to communicate examples of what scenarios they cite as clear and obvious...
I do think the one on Matip last Saturday was clear and obvious though
Would it be better if we used a system, as in Cricket, which would allow playback and views from 3 separate views..and the crowd can see what's happening...at the moment all the conversations between ref, linesman and VAR ref are so secretive(I understand) just be open....anything than this crap system we have now...VAR should be there to expose how good players are at cheating which is difficult to see at full speed and be sympathetic to referees rather than be seen as being critical of referees,the context is all wrong.
It would be good if we could hear why they made the decision or explanation though that would only really work for TV at home, effectively this was "umpire's decision". The idea of Clear and Obvious needs to be looked at as offside that are not clearly obvious are ruled out as they rightly should be but and I will make more of a point on Matip foul at the weekend, it was clearly obvious a foul and yet wasn't given.Would it be better if we used a system, as in Cricket, which would allow playback and views from 3 separate views..and the crowd can see what's happening...at the moment all the conversations between ref, linesman and VAR ref are so secretive(I understand) just be open....anything than this crap system we have now...
This is one of the reasons you have to be careful taking the opinion of players literally. Many will approach a situation like this not from the perspective of whether it was a foul, but from the perspective of whether the defender made a mistake. Typically, they will see no difference in being beaten by a forward vs being conned by one. If you made a mistake then you exposed yourself and you deserve the outcome.The narrative that I’ve seen forming in the media is that it wasn’t a penalty, but Robbo gave the Ref a decision to make.
I understand that, and I don’t blame the ref for thinking it’s a penalty.
Milner expressively pointed out the refs hypocracy over awarding fouls just before being subbed. So one could say we knew the deal. I don't mind hard however Napoli were let off for being dirty. Elbows, studs and strangulation. I wonder what the refs reaction would have been if we had been dirty instaed of hard as Milner got a yellow for just going in normally (forget hard).I think the biggest deal regard the pen is the fact that the ref allowed a hard game for 80min and in that light the pen was extremely soft. The game had draw written all over it at that point, and would have been a fair result with no sour grapes from either sides but then out of nowhere he completely changed the outcome of the game. I guess this is just football in a nutshell and shows that luck still has a huge factor in football which can't be calculated with.
He more or less did for Napoli's second goal, didn't change the result just the score. From the reaction to that If ever he did put the ball in his own net at least on here it would get blame on someone or something else. You should have used Lovren, or TAA as your example.Imagine the uproar if Virg ever put the ball in the back of his own net.
I agree it’s disgraceful, but are they genuine LFC fans or Mancs and blueshite pretending to be? I strongly suspect it’s the latter.Also, it's absolutely disgraceful to read that Robbo had to shut down his social media today after "fans" abusing him for giving up the pen. Galling the state of it all. Absolute disgraceful and embarrassing from "fans".
Robertson doesn't get to the ball, and there is definitely a contact, intentionally or not. Sorry, but that's a 50-50 for me. It can be given or not, depending on how the ref sees it.This is whee I despair at where the game has gone. It has become so convoluted and so confused by the noise of "experts" who have fucking idea what they are talking about that sensible people with ordinarily sensible views are confused into making comments like that. Contact is neither a sufficient nor necessary condition to give a foul. What matters is whether the player was impeded by the failure of the defender to win the ball. What is completely evident is that Callejon going down was a purely voluntary act and was initiated before any contact between the two of them was made. The next question then is whether he felt had to to protect himself or because Robbo's outstretched leg unfairly impeded him. That is not even the argument you are making so I dont think you would say yes to that. It is therefore not a foul.
Importantly, and this is where the conversation gets confused, the above considerations are distinct from whether you can understand why the ref gave it and whether Robbo made a mistake. The answer to both of those is yes, but even the combination of those two things does not mean it was actually a foul. The awarding of the penalty is still as undeniably wrong as a subjective decision can be. This is what VAR was brought in for. It's not here to make process decisions (rule on the ref's thought process), but outcome decisions. It is right that the bar is high to overturn a subjective decision like was an attempted tackle a foul, but if the bar is so high that this cannot be over turned then it is effectively theatre.
You beat me to it he did think it was a penalty but he was watching it on television and changed his mind when he saw the slow mo from a different angle. I was really worried about that ref before the game as his record reffing our games is not favourable but in Europe in general refs have been good and fair to us but as someone said on a previous page I was a bit naive and forgot that maybe there are german refs that don’t like Klopp much?Warnock took back his initial comment though after seeing the slow mos. I didn't follow the live BBC radio broadcast but in the redacted live thread on the website he says that the referee 'may have been conned there'
The crowd are not shown all the angles to avoid a riot when the useless good-for-nothings in the VAR van agree with the ref and get it wrong.Would it be better if we used a system, as in Cricket, which would allow playback and views from 3 separate views..and the crowd can see what's happening...at the moment all the conversations between ref, linesman and VAR ref are so secretive(I understand) just be open....anything than this crap system we have now...
OkSo it wasn't clear and obvious then because even slowed down and viewed time and time again you only think Robertson got the ball. It most certainly isn't clear who did get the first touch. I agree with @Dane ........if it had been against one of our players we would not have questioned it.