I agree... but it also highlights our shortcomings. Wijnandum is fine as long as it doesn’t mean blocking a shot. Sturridge is fine as long as he doesn’t have to do defensive duties. Lallana is fine when he’s fit and on form. TAA is a big talent but needs a leader (that we are lacking).Btw who gives a shit about yester years players we are here and now and this is a post match thread. If you haven't anything to say about tonights match go on to another thread with your hypothetical nonsense.
I know who's in our squad and I want them to win stuff not some fat arsed git who left us.
What ever any one says (and that includes me when it comes to Wijnaldum) it's this group that matters.
Lalana is a very good player to have if you want to control a game.
Sturridge is a fine skriker as long as you don't ask him to zonal mark the center at a corner.
Wijnaldum is very good infront of a DM roaming looking for space just don't expect him to take a yellow for the team when an opposition player is about to strike a worldie.
Mané well I just can not for the life of me imagine how any LFC supporter can criticise what he's giving atm.
TAA is a fine young talent who needs some leaders to help him progress.
Klopp is giving it his all even if he's making tactical and personel errors at the moment he will get it right.
Tonight we had a team that was split in half. Half sitting deep and half on high press with acres of space in between. On top of that they all performed poorly that can happen especially after a fairly long flight. There's wires crossed in there and our only really influencial leader isn't a player so isn't on the pitch (that complicates things some what I think).
Still that was a poor performance however as @Livvy points out we are still top of the group and have time to sort this shit out. Waffling on about what it might have been with a raspberry on the team just isn't fun to read!
I think Klopp is under a stern test right now; especially without Buvac. I'd hate to see him gone, but then again, I never even suggested that, you didYour post was pretty scathing. I’d hate to see what lies beyond that that would place your post somewhere in the middle!
What is Klopp's system?I agree... but it also highlights our shortcomings. Wijnandum is fine as long as it doesn’t mean blocking a shot. Sturridge is fine as long as he doesn’t have to do defensive duties. Lallana is fine when he’s fit and on form. TAA is a big talent but needs a leader (that we are lacking).
It’s a few too many square pegs in round holes.
I think klopp has 11 players that are 100% his system... but the rest don’t quite fit but have to make do.
Like Shaqiri. If he starts in midfield klopp tends to play two deeper midfielders to compensate for Shaqiris lack of pressing.
If Shaqiri is in place of salah or mane again the pressing is less but He creates and is direct.
Clyne doesn’t attack well enough and Moreno can’t defend well enough so TAA and Robertson will start no matter how bad their form might be.
Sturridge doesn’t press so firmino could go on a 3 year goal drought but he’s still a better fit to klopps system than Daniel.
But it’s the only explanation I can think of why klopp persists in such out of form players.What is Klopp's system?
At the moment we have a deep defensive line and high pressing. He's got to sort his ideas out first imo then we can discuss which players fit the system. An example is Firmino so far this season he is completely ineffectual in all aspects of play. Even when he came on tonight he didn't make an iota of a different and if anything made us look even more impuissant than we were with Sturridge.
Going to 2 DM's with Shaquiri might be a solution the problem is we havent got 2 DM's.
All this is very difficult to discuss as so far this season we havent looked like we have a system which is becoming reminiscent of BR's reign.
Tonight just confused me even more. Seeing Sturridge defending centrally at a corner can only be described as arrogant. I have enough trouble seeing Firmino do that let alone Sturridge.
That's my thoughts exactly. and a confused manager makes for confused performances.But it’s the only explanation I can think of why klopp persists in such out of form players.
They fit his ideology.
But klopp has tinkered and I think he’s confused himself.
I can’t think of any....That's my thoughts exactly. and a confused manager makes for confused performances.
i still think he will pull it around though but he might need a nudge in the right direction from an experienced player or coach (will they have the balls?).
I was just thinking that. We will see in January if he goes back for him. He tends to wait to get the man he wants.I’m just wondering just how much the Fekir debacle affected Klopp’s plans going into this season. It just seemed like a very specific type of signing if that makes sense. So as far as our failure to close the deal goes, just how significant was that (if at all)?
I don’t think we’ll be back. If it was just an inability to close the deal, then maybe. But this was a medical finding that his knee had been fixed with a pritt stick.I was just thinking that. We will see in January if he goes back for him. He tends to wait to get the man he wants.
It really saddened me that Carragher went down the pundit line. I have never seen a player shout as much as he did and having him barking out orders from the touchline would have been a joy to watch. He would have to be mindful of the officials mind you.I can’t think of any....
What he needs is a passionate number 2. Someone like carragher (before sky diluted him).