Post Match: Southampton v Liverpool (EPL 11/2/2018 4.30pm)

Man of the match

  • Karius

    Votes: 39 23.1%
  • Alexander-Arnold

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Matip

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 33 19.5%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 5 3.0%
  • Can

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Wijnaldum

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oxlade-Chamberlain [off 59']

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Salah [GOAL 41', off 88']

    Votes: 23 13.6%
  • Firmino [GOAL 5', off 78']

    Votes: 62 36.7%
  • Mane

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Milner [on 59']

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lallana [on 78']

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lovren [on 88']

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Total voters
    169
  • Poll closed .
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If that's not a foul, then neither is this:

But atkinson gave it.
It's a completely different situation and it's not a foul either!
Atkinson was no where near as bad as Moss. I would take Atkinson all day long over Moss.
Atkinson made a few errors but was on the whole good.
I can understand complaining about Moss but complaining about Atkinson really is little girls whingeing!
 

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Just a word of commendation for Soton's man of the match, Martin Atkinson, for not awarding a penalty (and taking his numerous other offences into consideration).


Don't you just love the consistency of officiating in the PL.
The problem for the refs is our unbelievably consistent track record of ,in their eyes- 'getting away with' far too few yellows and reds. They really must hate reffing our games knowing that they'll have to be bloody creative in order to meet their quota. And still failing, the poor souls.
 
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For something like that Lovren was punished with a pen.
Though when you watch the scene you can see the refs black socks.
In his defense, perhaps he couldn’t judge the foul because there were many other players between him and Bobby.
Niether instances were fouls. Atkinson was correct. Moss was wrong. We can not go about complaining about refs getting it right just to fit our agenda. As well as that we won the match.
I thought Atkinson was reasonable, made a few errors like most humans would and gave some soft yellows, in general he made for a good contest and the better team won!
 

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Niether instances were fouls. Atkinson was correct. Moss was wrong.
Atkinson knew what he was doing. Of the TAA and Bobby 'fouls' the one he blew for was one for his and the LFC quota. He knows it was actually a foul the other way round probably in both cases for diving. Cynical but in control.
Moss, was a different story altogether. Arguably clueless about two areas of basic ref craft, namely: know the newest set of rules better than the other officials – probable fail and know the boundaries placed on assistance from other officials when making decisions - completely panicking fail.
 
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Niether instances were fouls. Atkinson was correct. Moss was wrong. We can not go about complaining about refs getting it right just to fit our agenda. As well as that we won the match.
I thought Atkinson was reasonable, made a few errors like most humans would and gave some soft yellows, in general he made for a good contest and the better team won!
What are we talking about? Football or Rugby?
what have the hands to do on the shoulders of his opponent?
The way refs decide nowadays such incidents is not my understanding of football.
i think if there is a hand on the opponents body the ref has to blow the whistle, alone for stupidity.
 

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It's a completely different situation and it's not a foul either!
Atkinson was no where near as bad as Moss. I would take Atkinson all day long over Moss.
Atkinson made a few errors but was on the whole good.
I can understand complaining about Moss but complaining about Atkinson really is little girls whingeing!
It wasn't a foul and was given, and in a situation where one was inside the penalty box and the other was outside... is that what you're trying to get at? So where is the consistency? Atkinson was inconsistent with his call and carding our players. In fact a lot of inconsistency in referee decisions of late which I don't know whether they are given different guides and handbook to learn from, or they are just utter crap. The foul on Firmino is exactly the same as Lovren's lean on that fucking bitters... yes different referee, but like I said, different rule book? And again both pictures posted by @Lowton_Red is exactly the same type of foul, slight hand on shoulder of player with the ball, only difference is one you get a penalty the other a freekick.
 

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Arguing that because someone else got a BS penalty in another game is why we should have got a dubious one in ours is not a strong argument.

However, with that said, a single hand on someone is very different than reaching over and grabbing someone, especially when done with both arms. But this really illustrates what a shitty situations the refs find themselves in. By the letter of the law that was "holding an opponent" but it did not really impede Bobby in anyway. This infraction exists in that massive gray area where the refs cannot win. Call every single one and they are ridiculued for ruining a game and not letting them play. Dont call one and they are held to the standards of someone else who gave one (that few people agreed with).
 

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That for me is it in a nutshell, Consistency. Similar fouls in different parts of the field dealt with differently. Similar fouls in different games dealt with differently. A lot was made of what the rule book says regarding endangering an opponent following Mane’s challenge on Ederson. Lot’s of pundits saying “by the letter of the law it’s a red”.
Well what about the numerous similar challenges since? Some yellows, some just a free kick given, but not one red. As I said it’s inconsistent and it stinks.
 

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That for me is it in a nutshell, Consistency. Similar fouls in different parts of the field dealt with differently. Similar fouls in different games dealt with differently. A lot was made of what the rule book says regarding endangering an opponent following Mane’s challenge on Ederson. Lot’s of pundits saying “by the letter of the law it’s a red”.
Well what about the numerous similar challenges since? Some yellows, some just a free kick given, but not one red. As I said it’s inconsistent and it stinks.
we get it every season or two where a certain type of infringement is picked up on at the start of a season and clamped down on heavily - often one incident perhaps two - and then wooosh it disappears ! it's a bit like the "respect the ref" campaign .. in true vinny jones style it was gone in 60 seconds .
 
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Those so called fouls weren't even similar!
Complaining about double standards using double standards really is low.
I mean picking 2 completely different instances in a match and crying because the ref didn't call it in a particular way is just ridiculous.
No way is Firmino fouled in that sequence in the box and in no way did TAA commit a foul in the other sequence outside the box. 2 different stories with 2 different ending. So what?
 
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It wasn't a foul and was given, and in a situation where one was inside the penalty box and the other was outside... is that what you're trying to get at? So where is the consistency? Atkinson was inconsistent with his call and carding our players. In fact a lot of inconsistency in referee decisions of late which I don't know whether they are given different guides and handbook to learn from, or they are just utter crap. The foul on Firmino is exactly the same as Lovren's lean on that fucking bitters... yes different referee, but like I said, different rule book? And again both pictures posted by @Lowton_Red is exactly the same type of foul, slight hand on shoulder of player with the ball, only difference is one you get a penalty the other a freekick.
Referee gets one right and another wrong. Shock horror!
Let's all cry foul!
As for consistency well just read a football forum to see how consistent rules are interpreted!
Some refs are just plain awful others can be reasonable let's not put them all in the same basket.
We are talking about EPL which has always had different rules to the rest of the world. Who even knows what they are? and in which week they apply?
Some decisions are shocking the 2 being used for the Southampton make are not shocking one is the correct decision the other is a reasonable error!
I have seen many refs give fouls when a player has fallen over the ball with a defender near by!
 
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That for me is it in a nutshell, Consistency. Similar fouls in different parts of the field dealt with differently. Similar fouls in different games dealt with differently. A lot was made of what the rule book says regarding endangering an opponent following Mane’s challenge on Ederson. Lot’s of pundits saying “by the letter of the law it’s a red”.
Well what about the numerous similar challenges since? Some yellows, some just a free kick given, but not one red. As I said it’s inconsistent and it stinks.
Couldn't agree with you more, Commando. At the Etihad Sadio gets a straight red for a high boot against the Citeh keeper and yet in Nuecastel vs Mancs game Valencia near takes a Newcastle lad's head off and gets no card at all. Where is the consistency in that.
 

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Getting back to our game at Southampton and the only reason for the inconsistency between Bobby's shoulder pull by the Saints player and the penalising of TT-A for a similar offence was that one was in the box and the other wasn't. The officials are going to have to meet up and be educated to get these decisions right on a regular basis.
 

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Tbh, I don't see what you see, I am not football tactical analyst. I just see what I see on the pitch. I am not taking away anything from the super talented Salah. However, I think Firmino is the heartbeat of the team or 'the engine' which has been phrased occasionally. I would go as far and say he is the most important player we have at the moment.

He is the link between the attack, midfield and defence. He is everywhere most importantly the most hard working, he is always back tracking to help get the ball back. I just find him so intelligent in the way he reads the situations in the game. I also find him quite daring in the way he flicks the ball to Salah and Mane and the way he takes on defenders one on one and scores in small confined spaces in tricky situations. He has score 20 goals so far our season has not even finished. I think he deserves alot more credit than he gets but I think now he will do.
Totally agree we need to wrap bobby in cotton wool because without him Mane and Salah wouldn’t get half the service and support they’re getting at present. His pressing is very effective as someone else said he lets the player go past him then he tackle him on the past. Even the Ireland’s darling thierry Henry said he wished he could have played alongside him praise indeed.
 

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Just a word of commendation for Soton's man of the match, Martin Atkinson, for not awarding a penalty (and taking his numerous other offences into consideration).


Don't you just love the consistency of officiating in the PL.
That player did it to Firmino a few times and on the blind side of the stupid ref, pulled his shirt quickly then when bobby went down he got nothing, had it been a spuds player penalty straight away. Contrast that with the match against juventus at present they fall about and wonder why they are not getting a penalty being torn apart at the mo
 

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Totally agree we need to wrap bobby in cotton wool because without him Mane and Salah wouldn’t get half the service and support they’re getting at present. His pressing is very effective as someone else said he lets the player go past him then he tackle him on the past. Even the Ireland’s darling thierry Henry said he wished he could have played alongside him praise indeed.
Bobby's movement and ability to pull defenders out of position to follow him is one of the main reasons Salah has space to run into so often. It's not just the positions he takes up, but the fact he starts on the CBs and then coaxes them into spaces they dont want to be
 

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Those so called fouls weren't even similar!
Complaining about double standards using double standards really is low.
I mean picking 2 completely different instances in a match and crying because the ref didn't call it in a particular way is just ridiculous.
No way is Firmino fouled in that sequence in the box and in no way did TAA commit a foul in the other sequence outside the box. 2 different stories with 2 different ending. So what?
Different camera angle on motd showed he tugged his shirt long enough to destabilise him therefore it was a foul and the second time it happened bobby was kicked and when he fell everyone thought he was falling about for no reason and even you would admit the bobby doesn’t fall about for no reason
 
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Bobby's movement and ability to pull defenders out of position to follow him is one of the main reasons Salah has space to run into so often. It's not just the positions he takes up, but the fact he starts on the CBs and then coaxes them into spaces they dont want to be
from what i've seen of keita not sure i'd like a designated #10 between he & firmino
 



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Different camera angle on motd showed he tugged his shirt long enough to destabilise him therefore it was a foul and the second time it happened bobby was kicked and when he fell everyone thought he was falling about for no reason and even you would admit the bobby doesn’t fall about for no reason
Yet the initial foul was made by Firmino, obstruction! (Grand pont).
Second time kicked? That's another instance no?