Post Match: Spurs v Liverpool (EPL 11/1/20 5.30pm)

Man of the match

  • Alisson

    Votes: 65 48.1%
  • Alexander-Arnold

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Gomez

    Votes: 9 6.7%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 24 17.8%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • Henderson

    Votes: 11 8.1%
  • Wijnaldum

    Votes: 52 38.5%
  • Oxlade-Chamberlain (off 61’)

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Salah (off 90+1’)

    Votes: 7 5.2%
  • Firmino [GOAL 36’]

    Votes: 58 43.0%
  • Mane (off 81’]

    Votes: 34 25.2%
  • Lallana (on 61’)

    Votes: 3 2.2%
  • Origi (on 81’]

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Shaqiri (on 90+1’)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    135
  • Poll closed .

norwegian wood

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Not a chance that'll happen with Klopp in charge. He'd kick their asses off the team if they looked at all like they didn't want to win every game from now till the end of the season and keep the winning mentality going into next season.

Ive noticed along with other s that a break in games sees us generally more tired than playing every few days. Does anyone think that Klopps training sessions are actually harder than playing a full game midweek (im assuming there are more training sessions without a midweek game)? Some mention rustiness but it doesnt seem like that to me, it looks more like they're shattered by the end of the game.
Lijnders and Klopp seem to be on the same page i.e. you play the way you train. If you want to play with intensity you have to train with intensity. So I think it's possible a midweek training session is more demanding than a midweek game. But I doubt they work the players to a point where they are short of energy before a game.

I haven't really noticed any difference myself in how the players look, but I'm thinking if they look fresher in a midweek game it could be because they're probably the best conditioned team in the league, and can handle shorter rest better than the other teams, and therefore look fresher compared to the opponent in a midweek game than they do with a week between games.
 

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But in those days as soon as the league was won the players would be out on the ale for the rest of the season. Very different set up these days.
That's one difference and another might be James Milner and Jordan Henderson as the top two in the player heirarchy, seem to be on speaking terms, which wasn't guaranteed in the 70s. Paisley didn't seem that interested in whether these hard nuts like Tommy Smith, Phil Thompson, Alan Hansen and Emlyn Hughes enjoyed each others' company or not; they were expected to do a job on the pitch and fuck all else most of the time.

The whole squad appear to be close (more friends than colleagues) and you don't want to let your mates down, do you?
 
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Instead of blaming our finishings were waywards, I prefer to think that the standard of goal keeping has improved over the seasons .... also the number of pack bodies inside the 6 yard box is making the gap rather small these days....
 

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What the fuck? Did you miss where 3 minutes of adding time turned into 4 as Spurs could attack?
For what it's worth, i heard the commentator say right at the 3 minute mark, that they adding time for subs made.

I remember thinking, is that a thing now and if so, since when?

If it's not, then so much for tactical subs in extra time when he's refereeing us.

Or the commentator was taking the piss out of us.
 

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1. Not sure how to process all of this consistency and winning - any help is much appreciated
2. Said it before, will say it again - while all of the stats and records from this season are remarkable - what seems most unbelievable is that we didn't THRASH Man United when we played them
3. Strange second half
4. Becker should teach a master class on positioning
5. I think the team should make a rule that only Bobby can do the flying kick celebration - I fear that anyone but Bobby will pull their groin doing it
6. I'm still trying to do the math that with little if any spend in the summer transfer window - that we still have so many players out to injury and we still have the best team in the world
7. Repeat of point #1
 

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Whoever is doing the "we now need minimum x amount of wins to win the title" on here, please state the figure needed now.

I will take then subtract 2 wins off that total as that is what we will really need.
If I had known that there would be a maths requirement I never would have signed in to this post match thread :)
 

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That'll be spurs best performance for the season and got fuck all when they had a sniff,we were slightly lackadaisical at times but always had enough if needed the extra push,should've beat them by more but ultimately who fucking cares,3 points.
 

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I disagree lol... i think minamino will be used mostly as a ten and sometimes as part of the front three... but lets see!!
P.s and if he is used predominantly as a front three forward, then we will need to sign an AM as keita and OX jus not dependable...
We don't play with a No.10 though...

We have a striker (false 9 at a push), two inverted wingers, two No.8's, and a holding No.6. The wingers are actually the ones highest up the pitch often given that Firmino drops deep often to link play, so in effect Firmino is the No.10 though he's the striker (or false 9) on paper. Firmino's false 9/striker role is the one I envisage Minamino filling
 

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Never thought I'd give any kudos to Jose, so I won't. But it was alright of him saying we were 'probabley the best team in the world' in the post match. Kinda rings with that old Carlsberg advert heh! except we are LARGER than Larger of course.
Everything with Jose is self-serving. He might mean it, but he only said it to justify the timidity of his approach.
Anyhow

Thing is some talking up Spurs game plan, isn’t it just that we got tired. Firmino puts one straight at Gazzinigga in 65th minute, that goes either side a game plan that means bringing on Lamela and Lo Celso wouldn’t have worked.

There was no real game plan as it would have meant us not having the chances but we did and enough to make it 3-0 before the minute they started playing which was the 72nd. If you restrict the opposition to scraps then it’s a game plan, it’s not if the opposition have about 3 really good chances to add to 1-0.
Aye, games like this really highlight the shallowness of most analysis. Liverpool were lucky to escape with 3 points after a late Lo Celso miss appears to be one of the typical headlines, but that just reflects a recency bias. For most of the game 1-0 utterly flattered them so isn't a more holistic headline something along the lines "Dominant Liverpool fail to put Spurs away early, but still hang on for the 3 points they deserve"
 

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That's one difference and another might be James Milner and Jordan Henderson as the top two in the player heirarchy, seem to be on speaking terms, which wasn't guaranteed in the 70s. Paisley didn't seem that interested in whether these hard nuts like Tommy Smith, Phil Thompson, Alan Hansen and Emlyn Hughes enjoyed each others' company or not; they were expected to do a job on the pitch and fuck all else most of the time.

The whole squad appear to be close (more friends than colleagues) and you don't want to let your mates down, do you?
It does feel very band of brother like.
 

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Lijnders and Klopp seem to be on the same page i.e. you play the way you train. If you want to play with intensity you have to train with intensity. So I think it's possible a midweek training session is more demanding than a midweek game. But I doubt they work the players to a point where they are short of energy before a game.

I haven't really noticed any difference myself in how the players look, but I'm thinking if they look fresher in a midweek game it could be because they're probably the best conditioned team in the league, and can handle shorter rest better than the other teams, and therefore look fresher compared to the opponent in a midweek game than they do with a week between games.
Yes, i agree we look well conditioned but a few times yesterday i noticed we werent chasing back as fast as usual. At one point i think it was Gini that lost the ball then jogged back, he looked absolutely shattered (given the work he got through im not too surprised, just not used to seeing it). It happened on a few other occasions too and i cant remember seeing that in other games so much. It could also be as Jaffod says, they just totally trust the back 5 to do their job well. Perhaps someone who's watched the game again will know more as i may even be mistaken.
 

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Yeah but did anyone REALLY think Leicester would really be challenging us for the EPL title? It has been and always will be Liverpool or Manchester City that win the title. Which it’s really looking good for us right now! :)
To me it’s always been whoever is second, we improved a point on that this weekend.
 

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People keep talking about us looking tired but I'm not sure that's the case. We're doing enough to win games without going full pelt. We've become very adept at seeing out 1-0 wins. There was a time we'd concede a late equaliser 2 or 3 times a season, usually at Anfield. I think we back ourselves not to concede these days. It will happen at some point and nearly did yesterday, but I reckon Jürgen is looking at the long term benefits and is trying to manage the whole December/ January fixture madness without running the players into the ground.
Fact of the matter is the game should have been dead by the time they turned up, VVD header in the first half seemed almost lazy and the Firmino chance around the 60th minute was unlucky, moments before that he was nearly in as well.