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Post Match: Sunderland 1 Liverpool 3

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Sterling did well @ right wing/back. Came back did defensive work and did well trying to push

Sakho was an animal today.
Mamadou Sakho Stats Vs SAFC
47/49 96% passing
100% ground duel win (2/2)
80% aerial wins (4/5)
100% clearance success (8/8)
100% tackle win

Suarez showing why he's class
Sturridge didnt do so bad
Hendo shouldnt be @ RW, he'll show up @ CM now tht lucas is out next game
Enrique did well but we need another option @ the opposite side
Toure was a beast
Gerrard had a few fickles in short passing
Sunderlands goal was our fault, we did terrible up until our first goal
Skrts was a beast
Thought Moses did reallly well but he tries to force many things
 

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WrongIslander said:
Poor game from Gerrard and Henderson today, still don't see how people are saying Lucas was poor and a lot of the time he masked how bad Gerrard was.

I'm still not sold on Moses, he was excellent against Swansea but since then has looked average.

Sturridge and Kolo were excellent yet again.

At this point in the season I'd say our player of the year is a free transfer!
Mignolet wasn't free ;)
 

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SirBillShankly said:
What game were you watching? Hendo was on the right alongside Toure. Sterling came on for Moses.
Sterling came on for Moses but played widest on the right. Henderson moved central. For a time, we had Lucas and Henderson either side of Gerrard, but towards the end it was Lucas deepest, with Suarez-Gerrard-Henderson ahead of him. Sturridge alone up to\p.
 

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jabu said:
i disagree, we were crap (hanging on to a lead against sunderland) a considering the opposition as well... but ill take the 3 points. but were way below average. if this is what our average looks like then im really worried
We are never contended are we?
when we win scrappy, we say we are shit
When we loose by a goal or when opposition equalise and deny us 3 points, we say :" i would take 3 points by playing shit, rather than tiki taka"
Enjoy the present. Give the lads and manager credit. its a cumulative effect, the more 1-0 we win, the more confident we become, the more confident we become, the more games we see out.
 

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SirBillShankly said:
Mignolet wasn't free ;)
No but Kolo was and for me he's been the man. I dread to think where we would have been without him, what an immense signing.
 

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canucky008 said:
Interesting that BR prefers to bring on Sterling instead of Wisdom for the RB

Any thoughts anyone?
At this stage of the game, we needed someone who could bring the ball out rather than defend. We were also playing with 3 at the back so sterling was more of a wing back. (3-4-1-2)
 

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Good win. Didn't see the game, apart from the last fifteen minutes, so can't discuss the performance, but it's definitely job done today, with three important points added to our tally.
 

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Hope in your heart said:
Good win. Didn't see the game, apart from the last fifteen minutes, so can't discuss the performance, but it's definitely job done today, with three important points added to our tally.
Thats been BR's mantra ;) . 3 points, somehow, anyhow!
 

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Thank fuck for that 3rd goal, my bloody nerves were shot before that arrived. Very happy to see Suarez and Sturridge linking up so nicely! YNWA lads!
 

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I don't know what people are talking about. I thought we reacted to the Sunderland goal really well. We kept possession so much better after that point. It was a bit nervy because of the scoreline but we were in control from that point and took all the momentum out of Sunderland's game. The only really nervy moment in that period was when Toure was off the field injured other than that I thought we controlled the game well and the goal was deserved. I don't think saying we played shit and won does the lads justice at all. Cheer up, ffs.
 

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We seemed to actually turn up once Sunderland scored odd really anyhow a good 3 points compare it with how it felt last saturday and we look far more dangerous going forward but I knew once luis returned that would happen.
 

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WrongIslander said:
No but Kolo was and for me he's been the man. I dread to think where we would have been without him, what an immense signing.
Yeah,Kolo is a rock, a really brilliant and inspired signing, immense as you say but our 'keeper has been uber immense.
 

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Oh please. Lucas was fine - he had a great first 60 and, even though he tailed off a bit, he looked a lot sharper in the second than he has for a while.
i agree. There has been to much Lucas bashing on this site of late.
If people think we stuggle while we got him in the side then wait till next when he will be out for too many yellow cards..(we are only Palace i know).
good result against a team who played pretty well all taken into account.
 

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We would have draw or lost last previous seasons. So really happy with our mentality and the 3 points. My only complaint is our midfield is still very weak. Actually... honestly, i will say we do play fairly crap as this team is capable for more. But it's good nonetheless as that means there is room to improve.

2nd in the league. Gonna miss out Lucas for CP game through so hopefully we won't slip up. We have to ride on this good form

Kolo really is the buying of the season so far. He plays as solid as a world class CB at their primes
 

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ffs! people slating henderson after he's been forced to play out of position (yet again, may i say). he's carried lucas and gerrard the entire season.

about time fans get their act together and start appreciating the importance of what he's doing. our midfield was yet again non-existent until henderson came centrally. he's not an amazing player, but he compensates for everything lucas and gerrard lacks.
 

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alphakilo said:
Sterling came on for Moses but played widest on the right. Henderson moved central. For a time, we had Lucas and Henderson either side of Gerrard, but towards the end it was Lucas deepest, with Suarez-Gerrard-Henderson ahead of him. Sturridge alone up to\p.
Shows you how distracted i was, had the missus calling/texting me and a few beers in me. That's my excuse and i'm sticking with it ;)

I saw Raheem centrally in forward positions, that's why it didn't occur to me that he took over at rwb.
 

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Of the other 5 "top 6" contenders, only one (Arsenal) won. This game was a massive opportunity to take advantage of the others (Man Utd, Man City, Tottenham & Chelsea) dropping points.

And we did.

But lets bitch and moan, because when we dont win next (and at some point that will obviously happen), you can say "i told you so".

Ans you will seem so wise
 

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I had a strong feeling that Mignolet's save from Gardner just before half time would prove to be vital. And he repeated it shortly after half time, we have him to thank for the points. Again.Uber immense signing.
 
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CARRADONA said:
i agree. There has been to much Lucas bashing on this site of late.
If people think we stuggle while we got him in the side then wait till next when he will be out for too many yellow cards..(we are only Palace i know).
good result against a team who played pretty well all taken into account.
5 yellow cards in 7 games. That must be some sort of record.

Personally I'm not too disappointed with him being out of the Crystal Palace game. It will at least force Rodgers into trying something other than a Gerrard-Lucas partnership in the middle and it will be interesting to see how we do without him in the side. I would go with Hendo to partner Gerrard and play Sterling/Ibe on the RW.
 

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I'll gladly take the three points but...

- Need at least two proper midfielders ASAP
- what are we doing on offensive corners!!
- what are we doing on defensive corners!!

Can't blame Mignolet for the goal, initial shot cane through Martin's legs and unsighted him. Pepe of last year would have let that in. Blame almost entirely on Gerrard and Lucas for allowing time on the ball there
 

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WrongIslander said:
No but Kolo was and for me he's been the man. I dread to think where we would have been without him, what an immense signing.
Though we still make defensive errors, when he plays there is perhaps fewer than when he doesn't

Individually him and Sakho and Skrtel were decent enough, it's just as an organised collective it looks disjointed, set plays being the major issue still

Guess when we have more full backs fit again and a proper back 4 then we may see the benefits of added competition. But need to stop drifting off from FKs and corners

Toure though has done well since he's been here. But think it was one thing we did need to do bringing in another CB as well because he will get injuries at his age and after playing sparingly for the last few years. Sakho though is looking steadily more comfortable though

But again, organisation of the training ground. Does need to be better. But do hope we can pick up a bit of quality in jan for our midfield. Fellas in there don't have the pace to keep up and aren't retaining the ball well. Lucas has also lapsed in to his old habit of fouling people, that ,ay be a consequence of loss of pace too

Suarez and Sturridge though, did muck about with their partnership last year to accommodate that annoying failure downing but when operating with a free hand with someone quick and direct if not massively blessed with game intelligence like Moses, it should offer a genuine threat against most teams
 

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5 yellow cards in 7 games. That must be some sort of record.

Personally I'm not too disappointed with him being out of the Crystal Palace game. It will at least force Rodgers into trying something other than a Gerrard-Lucas partnership in the middle and it will be interesting to see how we do without him in the side. I would go with Hendo to partner Gerrard and play Sterling/Ibe on the RW.
Why not have Hendo in midfield, Moses as wingback and Alberto playing behind SaS? We've started Suso in much tougher games
 

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As suspected, Sunderland came out with a lot of energy and enthusiasm with a keen crowd urging them on. Enthusiasm gets no points though, and energy gave way to more tired troubles via the industrious Suarez and Sturridge working hard for each other, showing the best work of two Liverpool forwards together that I’ve seen in a long time; a great sign for the future. I previously had doubts about Sturridge when dropped off the front line, but he made a believer of me this game. Liverpool’s purposeful pressure told the all important two goal difference over Sunderland’s random shapeless approach up front.

Our back three kept Sunderland at bay and the wing-backs took pressure off the defensive mids to make plays. On the other hand, when pressured the wing-backs pulled back deep, allowing Sunderland deeper possession than preferred giving them the opportunity to rattle off a few extra shots than they really deserved. Additionally, the whole back line looked lost at times, unsure of outlets into midfield, playing the ball around casually and losing it too easily, or simply miscuing under no pressure, unnecessarily inviting Sunderland to knock on the door.

The second half started the same as the first with an enthusiastic Sunderland, this time rewarded with a goal after an uncharacteristically poor parry from Mingolet. As the game progressed it was evident that Gerrard still needs a break, often a half step behind and frequently out of the game.

Enrique worked hard on the left and played the ball off well where Henderson possessed and got into good positions, but couldn’t provide service to the forwards with anything that could be described as truly threatening.

Liverpool looked more threatening in front of goal, but there are still too many miscues, lost chances and bad first touches. Even so, we scored three, exorcised the second half goal nonsense, and climbed back to second in the Premiership.

Midfield still worries me. We played well wide but the best midfield play was from Sturridge who had to drop from the front line to create plays in the absence of a real play maker. Looking forward to Coutinho’s return and the January window.

But I can’t leave without mentioning a great day from Toure who commanded and was a rock all over the field.
 
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koptician said:
Why not have Hendo in midfield, Moses as wingback and Alberto playing behind SaS? We've started Suso in much tougher games
Could go with that as well. Don't know how good Moses is in tracking back or defending but he would provide a more physical presence similar to Enrique on the right side. It depends if we will even go with the same formation again though and who knows Rodgers might even just end up playing Alberto alongside Gerrard.
 

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PS - from what I've seen to date.....Liverpool can challenge for the title. There are areas for improvement, but that said we're second and deservedly so. This team, even with early injuries and a thin squad, has the look of a real contender.
 
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Defuz said:
PS - from what I've seen to date.....Liverpool can challenge for the title. There are areas for improvement, but that said we're second and deservedly so. This team, even with early injuries and a thin squad, has the look of a real contender.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves! Top 4 would be a massive achievement in itself given our record over the last several years.
 

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gingerbread said:
We would have draw or lost last previous seasons. So really happy with our mentality and the 3 points. My only complaint is our midfield is still very weak. Actually... honestly, i will say we do play fairly crap as this team is capable for more. But it's good nonetheless as that means there is room to improve.

2nd in the league. Gonna miss out Lucas for CP game through so hopefully we won't slip up. We have to ride on this good form

Kolo really is the buying of the season so far. He plays as solid as a world class CB at their primes
Why do all you people jump the gun? Statements like that resort to us being branded as "generic morons" or whatever. He's good but seriously? Have you seen the likes of Silva/Varane and co?? id argue Skrtels is more effective @ RCB then Toure
 

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Set piece defending is consistently bad, it's a key component and its as poor as ever

Does and is getting more out of attacking players though though quality like Suarez is rarely kept quiet for long

Felt we were a bit Roy Evans like last year. This year is more Roy Hodgson. Fewer defeats as our forward line when players are fit has few problems knowing where the net is but distinctly limited at times. But maybe when specialists return and we decide who we want to play as our main CB pair it may look less scruffy

Set pieces though. They blow. Quality in the midfield would also help, all 3 of Lucas, Henderson and Allen have question marks and Gerrards not got the athleticism of old. Getting by there at best
I keep saying it and going to do so again.....most of our problems stem from the central midfield positions. The goal was a great example. Sakho knocks it into Moses's feet, he doesn't get it under control and looses it then proceeds to make a token gesture at winning it back. As the shot comes in the eventual scorer is on the move (would have him over either Borini or Aspas by the way) and runs past our central players without any of them tracking the run to score a well taken goal on the rebound from Mignolet. This all came in less than 1 minute of us having a goal kick.
Lucas booked again, thats 5 and a suspension. The guy is two yards off the pace and it shows. Today he was better than he has been but I think those serious injuries have just taken that vital 5% from his game.He needs a more dynamic partner in there with him I believe if he is to continue as first choice. Gerrard still has some great long range passing in his locker but age has caught up with him sadly. Still a wonderful footballer but this should be his final year as an automatic starter in every game.
Toure and Skrtel were excellent for me, Sturridge was also in top form. Suarez is well......Suarez. Hopefully he keeps that mood up in every game this season where he gets on with it without moaning at every decision that doesn't go his way. Put the ball in the net Luis and all is forgiven.
Henderson was poor on the right especially going forward. His crossing was terrible and he wasted a lot of decent positions in the attacking third. He looks like a central player doing his best in a wide position but at least defensively he did okay.
What about Sakho? They guy is a beast. Handled the physical side really well but his distribution is also top notch. No panic, picks a pass and I don't remember him giving the ball away cheaply either.
Good result if slightly disjointed performance. We dont keep it well enough especially in midfield. Coutinho's return cant come soon enough for me.
 

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Gerrard4life said:
Of the other 5 "top 6" contenders, only one (Arsenal) won. This game was a massive opportunity to take advantage of the others (Man Utd, Man City, Tottenham & Chelsea) dropping points.

And we did.

But lets bitch and moan, because when we dont win next (and at some point that will obviously happen), you can say "i told you so".

Ans you will seem so wise
I'm pretty sure that most of the forumites are very pleased with the result.

Granted, some folks aren't happy unless they have something to complain about, but I don't think it will do any harm to temper our optimism with a dash of realism.