POST MATCH Thread: Liverpool 1-2 Man Utd

Kennysgoldenass

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It's strange to talk of positives after being beat unfairly by the Scum due to an awful referee and with injuries to key players.
But..
I can see Rodgers turning us into a really good side. The signs are there. Obviously a striker is needed badly but that cannot be helped until January. It's not the time to get down in the dumps, we played really well yesterday and deserved so much better. Suso ahead of Downing said it all.
Back Rodgers through this and it will improve. Was never going to be easy.
 

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It's strange to talk of positives after being beat unfairly by the Scum due to an awful referee and with injuries to key players.
But..
I can see Rodgers turning us into a really good side. The signs are there. Obviously a striker is needed badly but that cannot be helped until January. It's not the time to get down in the dumps, we played really well yesterday and deserved so much better. Suso ahead of Downing said it all.
Back Rodgers through this and it will improve. Was never going to be easy.

Totally agree. Considering this is the 13th page, i will not write about how ref ruined the game for us, how it shouldn't have been a red card, and how we dominated the pink devils even with 10 man.

I will just say that i can see Rodgers turning things around ( if he gets more then one season ), i can see Suso, maybe Pacheco again breaking into the first squad considering we need more options up front, which may be annoying now but maybe in 2 years from now we are going to be delighted that this transfer window ended in a way it did.

Also i don't understand people that are going to take " a rest" from our games. Why leave this ship when it's not even sinking, i think it sank 2 years ago with Hodgson , now it's back in the sea, and it's just a matter of time when we will be going full spead ahead :D
 

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I never thought i would say it after a defeat at anfield to the scum, but i have never been more proud of being a liverpool fan. i don't know how people who saw the game ontv or via stream, but seeing the behavior of the fans before and during the match, seeing the commitment of the players on the pitch, was amazing.

my heart is filled with pride, and no scoreline, joke of a ref, or injury list will spoil it for me.
 

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[sub]BTW, just saw the twitter comment by shelvy. "no way was i pulling out of that tackle in a game of that importance".[/sub]

[sub]did i mention before how proud i am of liverpool fans, club and players[/sub]
 

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I heard on the radio on the way back from the game people calling for Rodgers to be sacked......I genuinely hope this doesnt gather momentum.

As for the team, we know we are thin, but man theres some bloody good young talent there. joe allen was brilliant, shelvey is a beast, and will only get better. someone mentioned us hiding, not him. his is the sort of attitude we need. sterling, suso, kelly, henderson.

we have the makings of a very good team, i just hope fans patience will last to see it come to fruition.
 

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You're out?

Jeez - I'm glad the families of the 96 have a tad more dedication than you do.

I don't understand how people can be so despondent after the display we put on yesterday. We played fantastic football, and bar a refereeing disaster would probably have won the match.

We're going to win a lot of games if we play that way.
Cool your jets. I never said I was leaving this club did I?
 

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pissed off with the sending off, pissed off with the blind ref, what a way to ruin a great spectacle. just proud how we dominated the game from the start and did really well whilst down to 10 men. well done red men, should have got the result that you deserved.
 

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My head is spinning after yesterday. Terrific performance by all concerned but no points. A season so far of played 5 draw 2 lost 3, a terrible return considering some of the performances. Its not really luck or refs or the weather, its hard to put a label on it, but I think when it does click it will be awesome. We do definitely need striking options in January. Our next 5 games? how many of those could we win if any?
Norwich away could be a chance for 3 simply because they are not scoring
Stoke at home, Stoke are Stoke as they showed against Chelski, resilient stubborn spoilers, Jesus wouldn't we all be glad of an in off the bum win there
Reading at home, another resilient side, but 3 points a must for us, could this be the lashing a team gets from our young team?
Then Everton at Goodison, form out the window, anything can happen here
Newcastle at home, a physical skillful side, toughest nut of all to crack this one

I would probably predict 9 points from 5 games. Tough times ahead for all, but nobody said it was going to be easy.
 

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Cool your jets. I never said I was leaving this club did I?
Well not wanting to watch the game is what he is pointing towards.... makes no difference if you are or aren't in "the club" if that is the stance you take.
 

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All 5 of our next games are winnable. We win them and the picture will look very different.

Calls for BR being sacked are nonsense. You can see clearly that his style of football works. We just need the goal scorer to bang them in and a slice of luck.

I'm being patient and keeping faith. Rome wasn't built in a day etc etc
 

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Jesus what in the name of God was this?

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16460_8106044,00.html

So called fans of our club no dignity, Mancs with even less dignity

Line in the sand? I dont think so....
 
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Just when you thought the refs couldn't get any worse Halsey puts in a stinker of a performance. Too many games that the refs are deciding matches (against us in our case and in favour of the Mancs in their case). Besides Jonjo Shelveys tackle which should also have seen a red card handed out to the prick Jonny Evans not to mention Robin Van Persie later in in the game if that is the standard which had been set Valencia's dive should never have been awarded a penalty.

I've said it too many times but double standards used by referees is unacceptable and goes against their code of conduct of impartiality. When Suarez gets fairly taken down his claims are either brushed aside or he is given a yellow card and yet when other Man Utd players with a record for diving (eg. Welbeck, Valencia, Young, Nani) go down theatrically it doesn't take very long for the ref to point to the spot.

Why is it that slight touches of the back by one of our players (eg. Agger vs Long or Johnson vs Valencia) get awarded a penalty meanwhile when Glen got elbowed in the back against Sunderland it was not given? Why is it that when Suarez is legitimately brought down against Sunderland he is given a yellow card and yet on the same day when Welbeck is perfecting his diving technique against Wigan he is awarded a penalty?

Once or twice you can call it coincidence but when such things happen consistently and have been happening over many seasons it becomes a bit more than that. Snidey managers like Alex Funguson still have too much influence on the game and with the standard of officiating getting seemingly worse by the day the FA need to have a long hard look at themselves (not that I believe for 1sec that they ever will). It simply is not on.
 

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"Jonjo Shelvey's sending off was a clear red card, there was a dangerous attempt to go for the ball," he said. "Jonny Evans went for the ball and got it, and I don't think there was any other decision referee could make. He blamed me! But he is young and he will realise the stupidity of it."

Even Fergus knows his man Evans made a two footed tackle but claims he won the ball so he got scott free. I thought the object was to punish these two footed tackles so that players are not encourage to do so especially with studs showing regardless if u win the ball.
 

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Didn't see the match - but I'm wound up enough from what I've heard and see.

They may as well give Man U the League. Right from the top to the bottom, the F.A. are on their side.
 
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Due to circumstances completely beyond my control, I couldn't watch the match today. But I have now watched it and the MOTD highlights. Here we go......

I'd have sent Shelvey off, laughed at Suarez's penalty claim (his foot digs into the turf starting his tumble before the defender touches him), awarded United's penalty and slept soundly knowing I had done a decent job. I'm a passionate Liverpool fan but I don't let the red mist blind my judgement (well, that's the plan!)
Perhaps familiarising yourself with the rules of the game instead of relying on MOTD highlights would be a good start.
 

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Didn't see the match - but I'm wound up enough from what I've heard and see.

They may as well give Man U the League. Right from the top to the bottom, the F.A. are on their side.
Utter Tosh Tosh... I am old enough to remember when we ruled the roost & other teams made those allegations against us. Ref's decisions even out over a season. Refs have to make split second decisions & unlike all the armchair supporters who see it 20 times from different angles & speeds.

Our season starts here & I have faith that given time & a few seasons BR can get us back up there challenging. We have some amazing young talent & for the first time in a long time I am excited by what I am seeing,
 
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Utter Tosh Tosh... I am old enough to remember when we ruled the roost & other teams made those allegations against us. Ref's decisions even out over a season. Refs have to make split second decisions & unlike all the armchair supporters who see it 20 times from different angles & speeds.

Our season starts here & I have faith that given time & a few seasons BR can get us back up there challenging. We have some amazing young talent & for the first time in a long time I am excited by what I am seeing,
That's how it should be but in the real world that is not how it is. Too many instances of particular decisions consistently going one team's way or against another's makes you realize that the refs are not exactly immune to certain managers' influence on games.

And unlike arm chair fans these referees are paid professionals meant to be at the top of their game and have assistant referees to help make their decisions. If they cannot officiate properly they should perhaps think of another career choice. And certainly in terms of the angle of the controversial calls made yesterday Halsey was in clear view of those incidents.
 

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Ref's decisions even out over a season. Refs have to make split second decisions & unlike all the armchair supporters who see it 20 times from different angles & speeds.
Actually, it is tosh to say that ref decisions even out over the season. There is no empirical basis for that, and the few attempts to study across sports have found robust evidence of perceptual and other bias. Big teams do get the calls - and do you really think that calls for and against Suarez on penalties will 'even out' over the season?
 

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[sub]BTW, just saw the twitter comment by shelvy. "no way was i pulling out of that tackle in a game of that importance".[/sub]

[sub]did i mention before how proud i am of liverpool fans, club and players[/sub]

As am I but got annoyed that he apologized on Twitter to Fergie! Sure he didn't need to have a go at the old fart but was deserved IMO, a long time coming too. Then Fergie calls him stupid and no one complains? Will anyone here have the balls to stand up to him?

Anyways, first it was not a red card and if it was then it should also be for Evans as well as he went in two-footed as well but didn't get the ball. Suarez's penalty appeal I can see it not being given as he went down a tad easily but Valencia got it for even less contact! How RichLFC can say that Halsey isn't corrupt bemuses me. First we don't know that he is or not but evidence from yesterday shows that he might well be. All the big decisions went against the HOME team if he wasn't strong enough to handle the big occasion then surely he'd have sided with the home team then? Instead he went with trying not to anger Fergie like he works for him. Woeful decisions yet its hardly talked about in the media but if Suarez goes down easily its front page news about how he's a tosser and diver but ManU players dive just as much but get the benefit of the doubt each and every time this season.


There, down with the negatives. We played well, dominated possession and passed it well. Still didn't create enough top quality chances but we seem to be creating better chances than we were when the season started. So a plus. Improved performances from Gerrard, Johnson, Kelly and Skrtel. Sterling was dangerous at times, Suso did well a few good touches and passes. Borini was a live wire and made a few good runs but Shelvey started badly but looked better as the first half went on. Too bad he got sent off as he might have gotten even better in the second half. Allen was solid as usual, thankfully.

I feel encouraged about the future today though missing Agger and Kelly will hurt, hopefully Rodgers will bring in Enrique, Robinson and Coates to take over from them. Unfortunate to lose them as Johnson, Agger, Skrtel and Kelly seem to be getting more comfortable playing together and now we have to bed in two new guys in which could take time. I wonder if Downing will be preferred to Enrique and Robinson at LB?
 

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Shelvey's studs hit Evan's shins and he didn't get the ball. That's red in my book.
So if it was shelvey that had stayed down, you would say that evans deserved the red?

As I saw it they both went into the challenge on fair ground to each other, jonjo won it and evans happen to stayed down, touch luck for evans in my book, but surely not in the refs tho, which makes you wonder on what basis he made the call on? on who got hurt the most? I've seem players get injured without the other part got any card at all, so on what basis are the refs calling by.
How many times last season did we see Carroll basicly get an albow to his neck without even a freekick being called. So I ask again on what basis did the ref call on. You could be tempted to say on the jerseys in this case.
 

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sorry guys, I know its the wrong thread but I cant find the ticket thread.
I'm gonna be around Norwich next saterday and was wondering if there is any hope in hell of picking up 2 tickets.
 

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I was pretty calm about this yesterday, tried to keep a level headed perspective about the Shelvey red (I hate blaming the ref, as I believe that you make your own breaks) but today I woke up fuming. It might have been the mancs singing murderers, or the fact that fungus is a chode. They really deserve every bad thing that happens to them and I hope we draw them in both cups and fucking destroy them at OT.

Classless is the most fitting adjective.
 

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Bitter outcome, but pending the outcome of injuries, I am actually fairly encouraged. I expected 1 point from the big three games, which is what we got. The ref gifted them a man advantage for over a half, and we still had the edge in time of possession. Still struggling to find how to move it ahead with the threat in the final third, but it is starting to come together. Suso simply blew me away - his entire performance came with a man disadvantage!
 

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Come on now Hope, I didn't expect something like this from you.

I felt physically sick after this game. I'm still speechless.

I do not expect us to take heart from this performance, while it was good. History has shown that we have a cowards mentality among the squad, and most players will crawl into their shells and try to look annonymous. I'll be giving a break from watching us play I think.

The situation is very, very dire. I'm out.
What didn't you expect from me? Telling the truth as it is? This guy is a full pro, paid by the FA do do only refereeing, that's a fact. In the three decisions he had to make, he had a perfect position to see events, as one would expect from a pro. Second fact.

Yet, he makes a complete meal out of it, on three occasions, not one... Alarm bells still not ringing, mate?




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Utter Tosh Tosh... I am old enough to remember when we ruled the roost & other teams made those allegations against us. Ref's decisions even out over a season. Refs have to make split second decisions & unlike all the armchair supporters who see it 20 times from different angles & speeds.

Our season starts here & I have faith that given time & a few seasons BR can get us back up there challenging. We have some amazing young talent & for the first time in a long time I am excited by what I am seeing,
So people say ... but nobody has ever shown me any evidence of these things evening out, I might just do a bit of analysis on this myself because I have a strong suspicion of the FA in relation to all things LFC and MUFC at the moment.
 

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What didn't you expect from me? Telling the truth as it is? This guy is a full pro, paid by the FA do do only refereeing. In the three decisions he had to make, he had a perfect position to see events, as one would expect from a pro. Yet, he makes a complete meal out of it. On three occasions, not one.

Alarm bells still not ringing, mate?
I keep thinking that if we keep getting on the end of shite refereeing decisions eventually all the good karma will come back and help us out. But its gradually becoming clear that its not going to happen. The refs just like to fcuk us up the arse and so do the goddamn goalposts.
 

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It happens way too much every season, not just against united or the other top teams, but against any team.
What about the opening game. Phil Dowd was practicly waiting for any oppotunity to fuck our game up, and he did that within three minutes ,two pens, one right after they missed the first, oh and also a very very harsh red card.
I'm so sick of the refs, they act like they got an agenda against us, thats how it feels at times.