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Post Match: Wolves 2-1 Liverpool (FAC 7/1/19 7.45pm)

Man of the Match

  • Mignolet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Camacho

    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Fabinho

    Votes: 34 28.1%
  • Lovren [off 7’]

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Moreno

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Milner

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keita

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jones [off 70’]

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Shaqiri

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Sturridge [off 70’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Origi [GOAL 51’]

    Votes: 4 3.3%
  • Hoever [on 7’]

    Votes: 69 57.0%
  • Firmino [on 70’]

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Salah [on 70’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    121

Irishanfield

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We are Liverpool football club and the players like Moreno and sturidge looked like they was playing for Barnet we can’t have shit players with a shit attitude playing for our club I don’t care if it’s fa cup or
Why r players Like Studge and Origi being targetted as scapegoats. Up until Lovren's injury, we were actually creating good chances. But once Loovren went out, we were penned back in our own half and that's not up to our forwards to get the ball up most of the time unless we were relying on long balls.

We got beat by a strong Wolves side when we could only field FB's consisting Fab and Hoever as a sub on for Lovren, both are way out of their depth in this match. Millner in my mind had to heavily cover Hoever thus hampering our MF further. With Wolves playing and pushing us high, we were finding it difficult to even get out of our own half.

We had our chances. With a little luck this game could have ended 2-2. Shaq's freekick was probably a few cm from goal and goalie had tipped it slightly aways. Wolves had better chances though and this was down to play being broken in middle of the field and them counterattacking dangerously. With the kind of makeshift Def I thought we could have gotten hammered tonight.

Hats off to Wolves, fair play, they fielded their strongest and deserved to be winners at home.
Eh?
Lovren was injured inside 10 minutes. What good chances did we create in the first 10 minutes?
 


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Obviously disappointed with the result, but with that line-up, it was obvious that Klopp wasn't too eager to go into the latter stages of the competition. Against a nearly full-strength Wolves side, playing so many youngsters and fringe players from the start, resting so many key players and playing some players out of position was always going to bite us. The formation was different from our classical 433, so no surprises there.

Add to this Lovren having to be replaced after two minutes, and you have the receipt of a disappointing performance and result. This reshuffled and heterogenous team had no chance to gel during the game. While Wolves started the game prudently, they soon noticed that they had a great chance to win the game, and were then the better team almost throughout the game.

The defence was obviously unsettled, although it has to be noted that the young lad Hoever did well when he had to come on. Actually a bit better than Fabinho (this player isn't a center back, sorry Jürgen), and FAR better than Moreno (who is surprised by this? Hold your hand up!) and Camacho (played off his natural position, what can you expect?).

In midfield, Milner, Shaqiri and Keita were supposed to pull the strings alongside Jones (where was Lallana btw? Please don't tell me he's injured again!), but they soon were under the cosh. Milner especially had a nightmare of a game, his second in a row. Maybe he is the one who should have been rested? Hindsight, I know... Keita and Shaqiri were good in spells, but anonymous for too many periods in the game. They were no match for Neves, Moutinho and the rest of Wolves' packed midfield.

As for the attacking line, don't get me started on this. Sturridge was an abomination. I can't for the life of me understand why Klopp didn't take him out for Firmino or Salah at half time. It was obvious that he wasn't bothered enough to run around a bit or to form a competitive partnership with Origi. The latter was a bit better. At least he tried to apply himself, tried to apply the pressing and scored a really good goal (coming out of nowhere, that), but with a ghost as attacking partner, he had no chance to shine more than he did.

One word on the keeper: Mignolet wasn't that bad, apart that he was typical Mignolet. Wolves had three shots on target. The first one was a tame shot right at the keeper, no danger at all here. The second was a good shot from Raul Gimenez, he had time to apply the shot properly. Mignolet guessed it wrong and was beaten. Then Neves put out one of his long-range specials. Again, Mignolet can't really be blamed for this, but... I'm quite sure that Allisson would have kept out one of these two shots. I'm maybe wrong, but that shot from Neves came from really far out. A good goalie might have been there to stop the shot.

Even with all this going on, one moment of individual brilliance from Origi brought us level at 1-1. Another one from Shaqiri, late in the game, could have earnt us a replay. It was the almost perfect free-kick. Two millimeters more to the left, and it was a magnificent goal, instead of the ball going all along the goal-line. Ruddy couldn't believe his luck on that occasion. Salah and Firmino, brought on late in the game, lifted our game, but not enough to claw one back.


So, we are out, and have lost the second match in a row. Hard to say how this will impact our game at Brighton. The most problematic issue is obviously Lovren having to go out with what looked like a harmstring injury. I don't think that Fabinho is the answer for the spot alongside VVD in a four-men defence. He'd be far more valuable in front of the defensive line imo. Hoever is too young to be counted upon. He did well against Wolves, but apart from a place on the bench, I can't see him play a role at Brighton. Maybe a three-men defence can be the answer. VVD, Fabinho and Gini for instance, with Robbo and TAA playing as wing backs in a 343 formation?

Anyway, I'm very disappointed that we didn't take this beautiful competition more seriously. Going out so early puts Klopp and his lads under a lot of pressure: only the two big ones left to compete in. Let's see how this goes. My belief is that winning is a habit and should be taken as seriously as possible. So, I'm a bit miffed that Klopp decided to throw this game and this cup away. Hopefully his decision will be justified later in the season, fingers crossed!
Agreed apart from your comments on Mignolet.

While the first goal was not his fault he should be a lot further out than what he was. He should be challenging Gimenez on the edge of his area or there abouts at least trying to get Gimenez to make a decision and make the goal smaller. He didn't make it to the 6 yard line!!! There were a couple of other occasions where he also should have moved forward, clear the ball or whatever. Again he was rooted to his goal line.

Second goal I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but I was desperately disappointed with him up to that point anyway so its kind of irrelevant.
 

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Hoever was awesome. Nice goal from Origi.

That's about it. Everyone was pretty poor.

But Hoever was amazing.
In that first half the poor kid was thrown in the deep end. I guess he was playing more as a wingback, but Comacho was completely invisible defensively in that first half and it meant Hoever was basically playing 2 on 1 a number of times. The fact that the kid survived that that defensive exposure speaks volumes. I am proper excited about him.

BTW, I think Fab should get the nod at CB this weekend on that performance. Thought he did really well.
 

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I get that players and fans remember winning finals more than finishing 3rd or 4th etc.
I remember all our finals since mid 1980s. And up until a few years ago I was always saying I would prefer a cup than to just finish 4th.

But then I saw that your best players will leave if you find yourself in next seasons Europa league and the best players available will tend to go elsewhere.
Football isn’t in the 1980s or even 1990s anymore.

If you can get to the 5th round or q/f in either or the domestic tournaments then I think take it seriously. Otherwise concentrate on the fringe players and giving youth a chance.

At the end of the day, yesterday we started with mignolet, lovren, Fabinho, Moreno, Milner, keita, Shaqiri, sturridge and origi. That’s a strong 9 players. The question I would ask is why so many of them were poor.

But Brighton is the important game now. Win that and all will be forgotten. Lose it and this place will explode!
The obvious answer would be to hand a CL place to the winner, and to allocate a lot more money to the competition. It would be instantly taken more seriously by everyone. I sincerely hope that this will happen one day.
 

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The obvious answer would be to hand a CL place to the winner, and to allocate a lot more money to the competition. It would be instantly taken more seriously by everyone. I sincerely hope that this will happen one day.
What happened to the old Cup Winners Cup?
 



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Agreed apart from your comments on Mignolet.

While the first goal was not his fault he should be a lot further out than what he was. He should be challenging Gimenez on the edge of his area or there abouts at least trying to get Gimenez to make a decision and make the goal smaller. He didn't make it to the 6 yard line!!! There were a couple of other occasions where he also should have moved forward, clear the ball or whatever. Again he was rooted to his goal line.

Second goal I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but I was desperately disappointed with him up to that point anyway so its kind of irrelevant.
Well yes, that's why I wrote that a better goalie could have done something about these shots. It's somehow typical that with Mignolet in goal, we concede two goals from two serious shots on target. It's the exact same when he was playing regularly for us. Any kind of serious shot on target resulted in a goal.
 

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Well yes, that's why I wrote that a better goalie could have done something about these shots. It's somehow typical that with Mignolet in goal, we concede two goals from two serious shots on target. It's the exact same when he was playing regularly for us. Any kind of serious shot on target resulted in a goal.
Ah yes you're right.

I stand corrected.
 

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I don't think anyone is suggesting there should be no drop off in quality but people are pissed off with what looked like a 'couldn't be arsed' attitude amongst some players who should have been running through brick walls in a bid to impress.
Origi and Sturridge stunk the place out first half, Origi improved second half but Sturridge didn't. Sturridge has been one of my favourite players over the past 5 years but enough is enough, he should be told to find himself another club if he wants to play again this season. He was a fucking disgrace. Mignolet and Moreno were both turd and Keita did fuck all to suggest he should be getting a run in the side.
All players who have something to prove, all poor to various degrees. Throw in Lallana and Lovren getting crocked again and it's easy to see how people are frustrated.
It’s so easy to see a team of lads who barely know each other, let alone have played together, struggling to figure out a game against a better quality side, and conclude they can’t be arsed.

We know what the issue is with Daniel Sturridge. We know why he can look effective coming in for 15-20mins at the end of a game, but have difficulty when he’s trying to manage his way through 90mins.
 

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Don't have any complaints regarding Klopp's selection. He had a tricky balancing act on his hands having to both rest players and deal with illness, and that was probably the best team he could have fielded considering the circumstances. He certainly didn't resort to this lineup because he doesn't value the FA Cup.

Obviously with such a weakened side it was always going to be an uphill battle, so getting beaten was no big suprise. The real problem here along with Lovren's usual untimely injury was the attitude of most of the seniors players. They were rather blatant in that they couldn't be bothered and that is enraging and annoying. Sturridge in particular was taking the piss. Not that the likes of Shaqiri, Origi (in the first half) and Keita were much better. The latter is starting to becoming a cause for concern. 50 million pounds and he has contributed nothing. All too often he lets the game pass him by and while the ability and the talent is there, the application seems to be lacking. Not bothering to learn English for a full year is not a good sign. As far as the likes of Moreno and Mignolet are concerned, they were finished a long time before yesterday. If nothing else, this was another reminder of just how useless they've both been. Fabinho was probably the most stable performer and while Milner didn't have his best game either, he can always be counted on. The young ones tried the hardest, although none of them had a particularly good game except perhaps Hoever, who did just as well as it can be expected.

I can't help but look at him as a complete waste of time wage thief, the true definition of one, he's on 140k a week and he's given the club/us next to nothing for those millions, it's beyond disgraceful really but there you go, some fans will still blow his trumpet and carry on their delusions that he's still a good striker.
Nothing apart from 65 goals. And no one forced the club to pay him that. He was lame last night but the above is just over the top.
 
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City made one change to their side that beat us, and then wiped the floor with Rotherham. Tell me what side has a head of steam after this past 5 days...... It ain't ours.
City made 8 changes from the team that beat us.

Trophies may not be worth more financially than finishing fourth but I suspect the players would value them more. An FA Cup winners medal looks better in the cabinet than a 2nd, 3rd or 4th place medal, if you actually get one that is. Ask former players what their best memories are and it won't be that game when we beat West Ham to clinch 4th place.

JK just about gets away with it this time,.......but only if we win the league. If we finish 2nd or 3rd then it will have been another failure....we can't carry on being the annual also rans. The top 4 clubs in England win stuff. We don't.
The squad is packed full of overseas players who came to compete in the CL and at the top end of the league, not in the early rounds of the Carabao or FA Cup. Alisson, for example, doesn't even get to play in cup games. Neither has VVD this season. You only have to look at our performances in the cup competitions to see that the senior players really aren't as motivated as they are in league and European games. We had Mane, Salah, Firmino and VVD starting against WBA in the 4th round last season. Bottom team in the league played us off the park. Last night's game had all the intensity of a pre-season friendly. Even Wolves didn't look arsed before we gifted them a goal.

The last Liverpool manager to prioritise the cups got the sack for doing so. Sadly that was the final nail in the coffin of the 'we exist to win trophies' mentality. Winning the FA cup didn't save Wenger, Van Gaal or Conte and it won't define JK's tenure either regardless of what the media might like us to believe.
 



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Disgrace for Liverpool FC to be allowed to remain in this tournament. Why bother? Club should be fined (indeed banned) if that it the extent of its interest in the competition.

Personally, sick of losing cup matches by fielding shit sides. Surprised how many on here are willing to drop their kecks and take it in the arse in cup games, for the dream of a league title. Still just a dream folks. Shame on you all. Liverpool losing like that makes me want to puke. I have too much pride in my team to see them ever lose.

City made one change to their side that beat us, and then wiped the floor with Rotherham. Tell me what side has a head of steam after this past 5 days...... It ain't ours.

Fucking Awful! There - its off me chest. Least its not still up me arse.
Do City get a bye straight into the final for putting seven past Rotherham? Whether they beat them by one or ten is irrelevant.

Pep could have made more changes and still comfortably beaten Rotherham. His team selection had nothing to do with respecting the tournament, and everything to do with worrying about consistency and fluidity in his team.
 

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The last Liverpool manager to prioritise the cups got the sack for doing so. Sadly that was the final nail in the coffin of the 'we exist to win trophies' mentality. Winning the FA cup didn't save Wenger, Van Gaal or Conte and it won't define JK's tenure either regardless of what the media might like us to believe.
Yeah I think you're right. Imagine the s**t that would be flying if Klopp prioritised the Cup over the league. We already took an unwanted / possibly costly injury last night. We don't need any more.

But the lack of effort from certain individuals that did play was still annoying to be honest.
 

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One question for all of you based on the lineup last night: Do we have enough quality and depth to take us through the remainder of the season and win either the PL or CL or maybe even both?
Yes, our squad depth is fine.

For the rest of the season, we’ll be rotating two or three, not nine or ten. People are getting hung up about the depth because we can’t beat the seventh or eighth best team in the premier league with a side that is entirely comprised of squad lads. Nobody could.
 
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I thought that we played reasonably well last night when taking into consideration the side we put out and the almost immediate disruption to any plans we had with Lovren going off.

Don’t take any notice of the drivel being spouted by Shearer about this makeshift side being able to slot in and play to somewhere near the standard of the first team. Not for the first time he’s talking through his arse!
 

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City made one change to their side that beat us, and then wiped the floor with Rotherham. Tell me what side has a head of steam after this past 5 days...... It ain't ours.
They made 8 changes actually, bringing in the likes of De Bruyne, Gundogan, Walker, Mahrez and Jesus.

Maybe we should abuse FFP and look to do the same.
 



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Yes, our squad depth is fine.

For the rest of the season, we’ll be rotating two or three, not nine or ten. People are getting hung up about the depth because we can’t beat the seventh or eighth best team in the premier league with a side that is entirely comprised of squad lads. Nobody could.
Our squad depth isn't fine. We have one competent right back who people are saying isn't really a right back but should be playing further forward, we have one competent left back and one back up striker who can be relied upon to perform for more than 20 minutes.
We need cover in all 3 areas mentioned. We've lost 2 players (Clyne and Solanke), Lallana is fucking pointless and several players are either extremely injury prone or constantly playing with knocks.
We're at a point right now where another couple of injuries will basically end our season.
 

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Our squad depth isn't fine. We have one competent right back who people are saying isn't really a right back but should be playing further forward, we have one competent left back and one back up striker who can be relied upon to perform for more than 20 minutes.
We need cover in all 3 areas mentioned. We've lost 2 players (Clyne and Solanke), Lallana is fucking pointless and several players are either extremely injury prone or constantly playing with knocks.
We're at a point right now where another couple of injuries will basically end our season.
That is utterly absurd, and a complete knee jerk reaction.

We’ve no business expecting to beat Wolves with ten changes to the team. The problem last night wasn’t the squad depth, it was the fact that we rotated everything at the same time.

Moreno is can come in for Robertson every now and then when he needs a rest. Trent can drop out for Gomez or Milner. Origi or Sturridge can drop in for one of the forwards.

We can do any of those changes, and probably be fine. Do them all at the same time, and then through four kids in the mix as well, and we’re not.
 

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City made 8 changes from the team that beat us.



The squad is packed full of overseas players who came to compete in the CL and at the top end of the league, not in the early rounds of the Carabao or FA Cup. Alisson, for example, doesn't even get to play in cup games. Neither has VVD this season. You only have to look at our performances in the cup competitions to see that the senior players really aren't as motivated as they are in league and European games. We had Mane, Salah, Firmino and VVD starting against WBA in the 4th round last season. Bottom team in the league played us off the park. Last night's game had all the intensity of a pre-season friendly. Even Wolves didn't look arsed before we gifted them a goal.

The last Liverpool manager to prioritise the cups got the sack for doing so. Sadly that was the final nail in the coffin of the 'we exist to win trophies' mentality. Winning the FA cup didn't save Wenger, Van Gaal or Conte and it won't define JK's tenure either regardless of what the media might like us to believe.
If we don't exist to win trophies then don't we become....err...Everton :think:?
 

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The two losses in a row thing, I don't think that's necessarily something to worry about too much - City lost three in a row involving us and United last season and still went on to win the league. Win against Brighton and we're back on track.
 



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If we don't exist to win trophies then don't we become....err...Everton :think:?
Trust me, it'll never be that bad!

I completely get where you and others are coming from on this and a few years ago I'd have agreed with you. For what it's worth I thought it was a disgrace to sack KD but the circumstances then were very different. We had no chance of winning the league and weren't at the business end of the CL. Last night I couldn't have felt more ambivalent about the outcome of that game. Almost ashamed to admit it, but it's the truth. My main concern was injuries. I was fuming at JK for picking Lovren when we all know he's injury prone and I was wincing every time Fabinho over-stretched in those last ditch tackles fearing his hamstring would go.

I really don't think we have the squad to compete across 3 competitions without us running into a brick wall. We are so reliant on the front 3 and there is a substantial drop-off in quality to the back-ups as we could see last night. If we had to rely on them for any length of time in the league then we would have no chance of winning it.
 

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Well at the moment we are like Arsenal but without the cup wins. Hopefully that will change this year...

If you Google the domestic cup winners you will find that invariably it is one of the top 4 clubs.
I did google lol

The last 3 winners have finished the league 5th.

Since 2007/2008 (When Portsmouth won it). Six teams have been outside of the top 4 (including a team relegated). One team has finished in the top 2 , Three teams have finished 3rd. One team finished 4th.
 

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Clearly! Just a few quick points off the top of my head .....

1. How do you know he hasn’t tried to learn English?
2. Few people can learn a new language that quickly
3. Many people struggle to learn new languages
Well he said his target was to have learnt it by June this year (i think that was the target date can't remember exactly) and judging by the fact Klopp had already said he was communicating through Mane, would suggest, he hasn't learnt much if any!

I know they can't but 7 months extra would give him a head start.

I know i am jumping to conclusions that he hasn't tried, but the quotes definitely do suggest he hasn't quite done much on it. Though agents etc would surely have him booked for tutoring etc. so it might just be he is struggling to pick it up.
 



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I did google lol

The last 3 winners have finished the league 5th.

Since 2007/2008 (When Portsmouth won it). Six teams have been outside of the top 4 (including a team relegated). One team has finished in the top 2 , Three teams have finished 3rd. One team finished 4th.
I meant top 4 in the sense of the 4 most successful clubs in recent years i.e. United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal.

In the last 10 years I would imagine they have hoovered up most of the two domestic cups.....

Edit.....looks like 16 out of 20 finals won by those 4 sides.
 
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Once I saw the team I didn't think we had much chance of beating Wolves, I usually hate wholesale changes but given injuries etc and where we are in the league we didn't have many options. I did think when Neves scored thank God it wasn't in the game a few weeks ago. Lovren going off was a worry though.
 
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One question for all of you based on the lineup last night: Do we have enough quality and depth to take us through the remainder of the season and win either the PL or CL or maybe even both?
Maybe. But you can’t say for sure.

There are a good half a dozen teams who can win the CL and we are one of them.
There are two (arguably three) teams who can win the Prem and we are one of them.

We are top of the league and having our best ever Prem season after 21 games.
We are in the last 16 knockout for the CL.

First team quality is up there with the best. That extends 2-3 players beyond the eleven. But if we lose a key player or two (Alisson, VVD, Robertson, Salah, Mane, Firmino) the level drops. And if we have a disproportionate amount of injuries in one area e.g. currently we only have 1/4 senior central defenders fit, then we struggle.

The depth is better than most, but it can improve. At the least we need Werner (or equivalent) and a left back. Then shift a few out and maybe promote some youth to the squad to replace ineffective senior players e.g. Wilson.
 

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Hope you're feeling better.
Now consider this piece from the echo, and you'll see why it's important to prioritize competitions:

"The Reds will now have two free weekends in January / February while other clubs take part in the fourth and fifth round of the FA Cup.

The fourth round takes place on the weekend of Saturday, 26 January and the fifth round three weeks later on February 16/17.

That will mean Liverpool have a full 10 day break ahead of their Champions League tie against Bayern Munich at Anfield on February 19."
Well, let's hope we don't then lose our competitive edge because we are sitting on our hands without a game for 2 weeks, and risking defeat to Bayern in the process.

Not about to celebrate Liverpool putting on a shit show. If they don't care, then fine. Don't enter the competition.
 

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Lovren going off was a worry though.

Don't get it. Lovren is a liability. Central defensive cover required.

And a playmaker in midfield. Henderson? Milner? No thanks. Not in the same game.