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Google rojadirecta and both teams after any LFC match. They will have the match up (and with no spoilers aka no scoreline shown) with download links approx 3 hours after match has finished. Sometimes an avi or mpeg, sometimes even HD, and approx 600MB per half. Some download links are very slow, some are fairly fast aka 30~45 mins per download without subscribing . All with captcha.

It's a great way to re-watch the match afterwards (without the match day emotion) and then hook it up to a TV.
Thank you so so much
 

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Well......pleased about tthe result obviously, but I have to say it flattered us somewhat. For a system based around depriving the opposition of the ball we allowed YB an awfull lot of posession. Our pressing game was poor. Tactically-speaking, every time they attacked they seemed to have plenty of men forward and also plenty of men back when we returned the complement. Our attack looked totally lightweight (Pacheco looked out of his depth sadly) before the subs were made as we didn't commit any numbers into the opposition box when it mattered. We played too deep a defensive line (thanks Carra) and allowed them far too much space in the final third (no specialist DM present) and against a better team I suspect that we would have been punished far more ruthlessly. We still played too many long balls out of defense, merely surrendering posession cheaply and Seb Coates was the main culprit there - he'll learn in time. Downing was his usual self. Enrique seems to have lost his way and needs competition at LB to push him on a bit.

Positives: I was very impressed with Wisdom's contribution and Suso and Sahin played well; Hendo played a man's game which will do his confidence no harm at all. Assaidi looked good on the ball and provided us with what we have been lacking; more flair and technique on offense. The subs turned the match and Jonjo looked the real deal, strong and clinical; Borini pulled their back four around to provide space for others. They were clearly sh*t scared of Raheem's pace. We scored FIVE goals with a very much untried team and that has to be good for teen spirit ;) .

My minuses seem to outway my negatives but there it is. Anyhoo, a win is a win - particularly away from home when the opposition manager was threatening to give us a hiding for fielding such a young line up.
 

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Didn't see the game as it would've meant staying up until 4 and then getting 3 hours sleep. Glad to see that my pre-match predictions - fortunate to win 1-0, defense should cope, worried about greenhorn forwards - were complete bollocks.

Where is the EL Final being played?
 

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I must be the only one but i thought hendo was quite poor. Didnt move or shape to make the right angles to develope the play out from the back. He preferred to abdicate responsability to the fullbacks and let them deal with it. This is def not his position.
He can certainly work on his movement. I tend to compare him to Allen, as he'll likely play Allen's role a lot this season. One of the things Allen does so well is find the perfect spot to be to get an outlet pass from the rest of the team. He's always available and that's why he gets the ball so much and controls the flow of the game. Much like Xavi. Hendo did a decent job of that tonight, but that's all. He was available, but he could have done better.

Once he had the ball he did well with it. Rarely gave it away, moved it on to the more offensive players. He fulfilled his role. And on the defensive end he really looks to have improved. He can tackle now and mark opposition midfielders. In my opinion, he was good, this was a real step up, and hopefully he'll continue to improve in this new role.

I think he's much more natural in this role than any of the others. He's out of place on the right and not creative enough as an AM.
 



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Didn't see the game as it would've meant staying up until 4 and then getting 3 hours sleep. Glad to see that my pre-match predictions - fortunate to win 1-0, defense should cope, worried about greenhorn forwards - were complete bollocks.

Where is the EL Final being played?
at Ajax's stadium.
 

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What makes you think the ones you mention wouldn't?
Besides he's only back-up, even behind coates I reckon.
That is the point though isn't it. The young lads will also make mistakes but at least they can learn from it and benefit from the experience. Also, most of them have decent pace too so if they are partnered with someone that has a bit more experience, they should be able to recover from their mistakes more often. Carra, on the other hand, has been consistently making mistakes every time he starts.
 

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On the Shelvey vs Gerrard etc. debate:
First, Gerrard is a fantastic player and is a great. He has been an immense player for this club for too long not to be considered right up there. Perhaps not as good as Dalglish and Barnes, but a magic player in his own right.

Shelvey played really well. But it was one game. He's going to be a fantastic player, of that I have little doubt. As good as or better than Gerrard? He has the potential and I hope he does turn out to be.

On Gerrard at the moment, I think if Shelvey's star continues to rise, Gerrard will be forced to improve. I think/hope that BR is not the sort of manager to pick players based on their status. BR seems very focussed on getting his team playing good football and if Stevie is getting the way of that, I don't think he'll stay in the team based on 'being a big name'. If Gerrard's game isn't up to scratch, I think BR will let him know. He is captain and all, but I don't think any player has the right to have their name put on the team sheet without meriting it.

Gerrard is not the sort of player (or certainly he wasn't the sort of player) to allow other people to get ahead of him in the pecking order. I think he'll work hard to get back to the level he used to be at to keep his place.


On the game. Shambolic defending at both ends, but a much needed result. It would be nice to see our strikers getting amongst the goals though!!
 

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Just as a little note to this discussion, Gerrard was one of our best players at Sunderland and has still created more chances than any of our other midfielders this season.

He's had some poor games too but the criticism for him is way over the top, we just obviously hold him to a higher standard than other players.

He can't afford to be dropped whilst we're struggling to score goals.

I think Shelvey's more reminiscent of Lampard than he is Stevie, and that's the sort of path I think his career will take. He's a very good young player but any talk of him bettering Gerrard is completely premature and only serves to add more pressure to the lad, as well as making anyone stating such opinions look like overly excited children.
 

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To be perfectly frank, our first-choice midfield, with everyone fit and based on current performances, is Lucas-Allen-Shelvey.

Stevie seems to be in the side based on reputation at the moment, he's been pretty poor performance-wise.
I see him as fitting perfectly into Gerrards position. I think Stevie has been stifling us recently. I hope it's just a dip in form as he truly has been a wonderful player for us. But that's just how I see it.

I just wonder if Brendan sees it that way as well.
Agree that Jonjo made a big impact today when he came on. IMO he has looked impressive ever since he came back from being on loan from Blackpool but was not utilised much last year. This year he has taken his chances and shined. However Jonjo is a different player from Stevie G and comparing them, Jonjo has miles to go before he can even be called Legend.

Just because we have done depressingly in our last 4 premiership match, it was not down to one player but the team as a whole. Stevie G is our captain and the heart of the team. Ye could say he has a dip in form, IMO he is still adjusting to Brendan's style of play. G has also been involved in the England set up and (let's face it) is above 30 so he is not as energetic as he was compared.

However he is our man when required to direct play with the diagonal balls and super deliveries especially in dead ball situations. He is trying to link up with Suarez and co and do those trademark devastating runs into the box. On top of that he is the Captain and just being on the pitch with him would inspire other players. ATM IMO he should not be replaced, however we have to get him back up to speed and It will not help if he was not in the team.

As for Jonjo, cannot see why he cannot be in the team with G, e.g. he could be utilised as the player behind Suarez (taking out Borini) and spearheading a diamond formation (G on the right, Sterling left and Allen centre).
 



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To be perfectly frank, our first-choice midfield, with everyone fit and based on current performances, is Lucas-Allen-Shelvey.

Stevie seems to be in the side based on reputation at the moment, he's been pretty poor performance-wise.
does anyone here not see the irony of this statement, based on current performances???

lucas has played 1 minute of football?..

one minute.....

....i know hes seen as a god by most at LFC, but surely that 1 minute cameo wasnt good enough to displace gerrard ON CURRENT FORM..you cant even argue recent form before that, the kids been out for 12 months or whatever it is..... so we can displace gerrard on a reputation, but not maintain his place in the team on one?
 

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does anyone here not see the irony of this statement, based on current performances???

lucas has played 1 minute of football?..

one minute.....

....i know hes seen as a god by most at LFC, but surely that 1 minute cameo wasnt good enough to displace gerrard ON CURRENT FORM..you cant even argue recent form before that, the kids been out for 12 months or whatever it is..... so we can displace gerrard on a reputation, but not maintain his place in the team on one?
Yep. Lucas has actually played more than a minute. Preseason and Europa League games may not be all-important, but they gave us a chance to see the lad's form. And he hasn't lost it through his injury.

Beyond that, its not a question of Lucas versus Stevie. This is something I wrote a bit on in the midfield dynamic thread before TIA crashed. Lucas is first choice in Rodgers' midfield as the volante-type defensive midfielder. Nobody in the squad can do it as well as he does. Allen gets his place at the metronome. He's undisputably the best in the squad at that role. Which leaves one attacking midfield role.

Sahin can play it, but its not his natural position. Hendo I think is being molded into the Allen role. Which leaves Jonjo and Stevie. Stevie on current form loses his place to Jonjo. Its not a talent thing. Stevie pips Jonjo on ability even now. But Stevie just doesn't fit the system. At all. And Rodgers picks players to fit the system, not the other way around. Jonjo is the better fit at the moment.

Stevie would be first choice if he fancied a role in the front three.
 

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Fun game to watch, unusual for a EL game but in common with a number of sides in the EL group stages, they are kind of like some of these Olympique Palloseuras we used to hammer in the first knock out round. of the old UEFA or EC i.e. not very good teams who would if in the PL be quickly relegated. The other two sides in Anzhi and Udinese will be tougher but in past eras they probably wouldnt be in Europe either. Is one reason why I dont like the Europa, the quality is bad right through to the semi stage I would say

But having said that, its a game of competitive football for our kids to get a taste of first team action, could be the one thing this tournament has a use for, as well as a comeback trail for first teamers returning from injury, and though the seniors disappointed, the juniors will have taken something from the experience, especially Shelvey who while not being a new Gerrard IMO is capable of forging a career here eventually as a goalscoring attacking mid. Think Lampard...in time, he played his best football from 25-33 and is still decent at 34. Lots of time for him and if he can tee off against sides like this to get his eye in, so much the better

Assadi did okayish for his debut, didnt look match fit in company with Sahin. Though both showed some useful touches

Pacheco...wouldnt use him as a striker, but think hes a player who is likely to find himself falling down the cracks I suspect. Downing, honestly, said this before but other memebers of the CHAD have been sidelined, he should have been sold, we should have been brave enough to call a halt early on because its very obvious he just cant hack it here and though have seen worse from him, i do think hes one of those players who can be a little bit toxic in his approach, not because hes a cock like Diouf, but because he just doesnt take a lead in anything and seems content to go through the motions, knowing the competition isnt really there. Not that it matters a great deal I cant help suspecting even when it is. Carragher, unfortunately, all this talk about giving him another year or two is also for me not quite sending out the message that we have learned the knack of when to cut the cord with ageing or struggling players and sadly he looked well off it again. its these skills of squad management, we embark on periodic culls but sometimes we dont quite cull right. Work to do there. Know Rodgers doesnt want to do a AVB but we will have to in the long term find others to take up the mantle long term, even as 3rd or 4th choices

Henderson though, some could argue he does have a bit of a Downingish mentality but at his age he can grow out of that and do think, in contrast to the aforementioned, he showed the right response to being dropped out of the league side by putting some good work in through the middle. Borini also did well when he came on which was encouraging after a dodgy early patch

Decent result, but we do need to give some time for the young strikers in reserve in our squad in case of further injuries and we need to avoid the temptation to place too many square pegs in round holes, or feel we have to find places for veterans who arent performing just because they are there. Also Enrique needs to sharpen up...
 

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Finally!

5 goals and a win.

Shelvey seemingly brilliant!
And I'm very happy for henderson. That lad is going tobe an important player for us.
He and AC are going to prove all the skeptics wrong and will prove that it's not CHAD.
Only AD! :)

Shelvey the new Gerrard, Sterling the new Messi!
Oh happy day.
 



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Just watched the game, after reading some post game comments.

Wisdom, Coates, Shelvey, Assaidi, and Henderson looked good.

Pacheco looked a little lost.

Sahin looked composed.

Downing did nothing for me.

Enrique got beat repeatedly, and put us under pressure. Can you say, Johnson at left back for the foreseeable future?

Carragher? Meh

Suso has some pretty nifty control of the ball.

You could tell in this game that we miss that Lucas type player sitting in front of the defense, they had too much time to spray passes around.

Overall, very exciting game. I hope the youngsters and fringe players continue to dominate our team selection in this competition
 

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2 discussions going on here but good discussions anyway.

Firstly, on the match. Carragher may not be up there anymore as in his younger days but in this match, he is not as bad. He should have led by example but seriously, he cannot do it all by himself. But I agree that he will be more of a backup nowadays. To me the more important things is how the youngsters had the grit to come back after going down 3-2. Would have gone through the minds of senior players who have seen such scenarios all too often - going 2-1 up, then suddenly find themselves 3-2 down. But they had the strength to come back and win. I thought Henderson played really well and as I mentioned in the pre-match thread, he could benefit from having the pressure of starting every match last season taken away from him. He is probably better off given time to develop like a young player should. Some youngsters thrive on pressure, some do not so Perhaps not being a starter for the last few matches has taken the pressure off him and he can go his own things quietly. Made some mistakes which Man U will punish us badly if we do not correct those. But overall we should be happy. 5 goals, a team full of youngsters, coming back from 3-2 down, showing great character. Granted, its Young Boys but hey, our senior team lost 3-0 to West Brom.

2nd discussion on Gerrard vs Shelvey. My opinion is Gerrard is amongst the best to play for this club ever, if not the best. For me, the context of Gerrard's role in this club and players like Dalglish, Rush etc is vastly different. Players like Dalglish are special, very special but we also have to understand that Dalglish has plenty of good players playing around him, supporting him. Does not take anything away from Dalglish but our teams in those late 70s are not just about individuals but basically our team of 11 players are all fantastic players. Gerrard however, has to carry the team throughout the years. He never had the pleasure to ever play in a team where there are 10 other players who could claim to be on the same level or near to his level. So I would think Gerrard is one of the best ever. Its probably just an argument of who is better, Pele or Messi. Different era, different impact but geniuses all the same. As for Shelvey, for the first time last night, I realised how awkward and even clumsy sometimes he looked when he makes his run but you know what I thought of? That awkward teenager who made his debut at 18 years old who took awkward strides as he runs with the ball. The teenager now known as Steven Gerrard. Shelvey just might be the new impact that we need of a new era.
 

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2 discussions going on here but good discussions anyway.

Firstly, on the match. Carragher may not be up there anymore as in his younger days but in this match, he is not as bad. He should have led by example but seriously, he cannot do it all by himself. But I agree that he will be more of a backup nowadays. To me the more important things is how the youngsters had the grit to come back after going down 3-2. Would have gone through the minds of senior players who have seen such scenarios all too often - going 2-1 up, then suddenly find themselves 3-2 down. But they had the strength to come back and win. I thought Henderson played really well and as I mentioned in the pre-match thread, he could benefit from having the pressure of starting every match last season taken away from him. He is probably better off given time to develop like a young player should. Some youngsters thrive on pressure, some do not so Perhaps not being a starter for the last few matches has taken the pressure off him and he can go his own things quietly. Made some mistakes which Man U will punish us badly if we do not correct those. But overall we should be happy. 5 goals, a team full of youngsters, coming back from 3-2 down, showing great character. Granted, its Young Boys but hey, our senior team lost 3-0 to West Brom.

2nd discussion on Gerrard vs Shelvey. My opinion is Gerrard is amongst the best to play for this club ever, if not the best. For me, the context of Gerrard's role in this club and players like Dalglish, Rush etc is vastly different. Players like Dalglish are special, very special but we also have to understand that Dalglish has plenty of good players playing around him, supporting him. Does not take anything away from Dalglish but our teams in those late 70s are not just about individuals but basically our team of 11 players are all fantastic players. Gerrard however, has to carry the team throughout the years. He never had the pleasure to ever play in a team where there are 10 other players who could claim to be on the same level or near to his level. So I would think Gerrard is one of the best ever. Its probably just an argument of who is better, Pele or Messi. Different era, different impact but geniuses all the same. As for Shelvey, for the first time last night, I realised how awkward and even clumsy sometimes he looked when he makes his run but you know what I thought of? That awkward teenager who made his debut at 18 years old who took awkward strides as he runs with the ball. The teenager now known as Steven Gerrard. Shelvey just might be the new impact that we need of a new era.
Damn my quota of upvotes. This is a brilliant post
 

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Comparing Shelvey with Gerrard, are you guys insane?

On topic: good result and experience for the young ones, hope to see more of them in the Europa League.
Yep, on Shelvey, more of a young raw bald Fat Frank for me. And that is not being derogatory in the slightest. Would like to see Rodgers encouraging him when he plays to burst in to the penalty area as often as he can manage it. We need more men in the box and Shelvey is one player we do have who has a shot on him and an eye for goal. He has a bit to go but hes the sort of player who in a couple of years or so could get 10 plus league goals a season and become a regular senior England player if his development continues on an upward curve. Perhaps more. Think we were right ultimately in one area this summer to move Adam on as Shelveys ceiling should end up a bit higher and he will need games

Gerrard? Not quite, hes not nearly as pacy or as athletic as Gerrard was at the same age. Though thus far hes not injury prone which is a plus. Gerrard is a once-in-a-generation player, who we wont replace directly in a decade or longer IMO. But we will probably shape the team differently as time moves on
 

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Not sure if it was the jet lag, or the match but I fell asleep for the last 20 minutes.

What I saw was an average game, by two poor teams. In truth I was not impressed at all and was thinking this game was more reminiscent of a typical reserves game or even a training match (were things don't really matter). I know people will say, well it was our 2nd team, they were kids etc but you could tell the result meant little to many of them by the way they celebrated.

I know some of the kids were over the moon, but several of our players treated the game like the second rate competition many believe it is (with half hearted joy at scoring or anger at mistakes leading to goals). Obviously my view is coloured by not seeing the last part of the game were Shelvey sounds like he took it the game by the scruff of the neck, but my overall perception of the game was negative (despite positive performances by a few individuals eg Suso) , and highlights how far we have got to go, getting this "system" working, sorting out our defence and a common theme over the last few years, the attitude of our players

The result masks these deficiencies, and short term the scoreline is all that matters. But if we wish to progress against Anzhi, Udinese etc our performance as a team has to improve considerably.
 



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Obviously delighted with the win and in particular seeing some of the young lads do well. Made up for Shelvey and wisdom looks rather impressive, very composed on the ball and think he will be a good player for us in the future.

Thought Suso did well when he was moved up further forward, wide right you could say where he was cutting in, has beautiful control and he reminds me a little bit of david silva.

The worrying things for me were downing and enrique. I dont know what has happened to enrique, maybe playing with downing all season has slumped him too his level :lol: But both were very poor, downing should be dominating games like these but continues to just play so poorly. I really dont want to see him anywhere near the first team.
 

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does anyone here not see the irony of this statement, based on current performances???

lucas has played 1 minute of football?..

one minute.....

....i know hes seen as a god by most at LFC, but surely that 1 minute cameo wasnt good enough to displace gerrard ON CURRENT FORM..you cant even argue recent form before that, the kids been out for 12 months or whatever it is..... so we can displace gerrard on a reputation, but not maintain his place in the team on one?
Well, he's there not based on that (he's actually played 3 games this season before injury), but because he plays a role/position that no-one else in our squad does. Allen CAN do it, and do it well, but he adds much more to the team when playing alongside Lucas rather than acting as the anchor.

I'm not really sure where you're getting that one minute thing from though.
 

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Just watched the game, after reading some post game comments.

Wisdom, Coates, Shelvey, Assaidi, and Henderson looked good.

Pacheco looked a little lost.

Sahin looked composed.

Downing did nothing for me.

Enrique got beat repeatedly, and put us under pressure. Can you say, Johnson at left back for the foreseeable future?

Carragher? Meh

Suso has some pretty nifty control of the ball.

You could tell in this game that we miss that Lucas type player sitting in front of the defense, they had too much time to spray passes around.

Overall, very exciting game. I hope the youngsters and fringe players continue to dominate our team selection in this competition
Sahin is the guy that should have been doing the Lucas role. For me he didn't work hard enough and should have protected the centre backs more. Hopefully this will come with match fitness.

Pacheco as indeed lost. Unfortunately he just doesn't have it, I don't think we will see him start again.
 

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Well, he's there not based on that (he's actually played 3 games this season before injury), but because he plays a role/position that no-one else in our squad does. Allen CAN do it, and do it well, but he adds much more to the team when playing alongside Lucas rather than acting as the anchor.

I'm not really sure where you're getting that one minute thing from though.
i actually thought he played 1 minute of the opening league game, hence one minute, i may be wrong, whatever the game time actually is, it doesnt really change the fact that he hasnt played enough games in a 12 month period to have any 'form' at all.

look, im made up hes proved the doubters wrong (me being one of them), but in all honesty, its trending now for lucas to be some kind of god, which he is not....

the claim was that on form, barring injuries, hed be in the team over gerrard, which i took umberage to....and i stand by that...gerrard is in our first midfield three, on form.

lucas has to get fit and work his way into the team, shelvey has to take baby steps, hes a classic young player, hot then cold, a twenty minute cameo doesnt replace the experience that gerrard brings, and allen is just finding his way, albeit looking great whilst doing so.

no matter how trendy it is to say it, its not true that gerrard is not a walk up start for the team...even in the 'form' he is in.

gerrard is on a downward arc, thats true, but he still brings more- or at least as much- to the park than the other three at this point in time.....we are hunting for goals big time, take gerrard out of the team?...meh, great idea.

its up to gerrard to get inspired again, i agree, even dropping him for a bit of an arse kicking could be a technique used, but if there was a cup final tommorrow, only an idiot would drop gerrard from that team.
 



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i actually thought he played 1 minute of the opening league game, hence one minute, i may be wrong, whatever the game time actually is, it doesnt really change the fact that he hasnt played enough games in a 12 month period to have any 'form' at all.

look, im made up hes proved the doubters wrong (me being one of them), but in all honesty, its trending now for lucas to be some kind of god, which he is not....

the claim was that on form, barring injuries, hed be in the team over gerrard, which i took umberage to....and i stand by that...gerrard is in our first midfield three, on form.

lucas has to get fit and work his way into the team, shelvey has to take baby steps, hes a classic young player, hot then cold, a twenty minute cameo doesnt replace the experience that gerrard brings, and allen is just finding his way, albeit looking great whilst doing so.

no matter how trendy it is to say it, its not true that gerrard is not a walk up start for the team...even in the 'form' he is in.

gerrard is on a downward arc, thats true, but he still brings more- or at least as much- to the park than the other three at this point in time.....we are hunting for goals big time, take gerrard out of the team?...meh, great idea.

its up to gerrard to get inspired again, i agree, even dropping him for a bit of an arse kicking could be a technique used, but if there was a cup final tommorrow, only an idiot would drop gerrard from that team.
I don't really understand, are you really suggesting Gerrard and Lucas are competing for the same spot in the lineup, because I just can't agree with that at all, regardless of form of either of them. They play entirely different positions.
 

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I was in Berne last night, and obviously enjoyed my night there! Hell, who would complain with eight entertaining goals, a changing game scenario and a nice atmosphere all round the stadium and also afterwards! And... the right team won as well!



Several things must be said however:

- YB was an abysmally weak opponent. It had nothing to do with the good team which managed to make Tottenham doubt a few years ago. Their defensive behaviour especially was laughable to say the least. So was ours, which led to this entertaining game.

- Both teams looked disjointed and unable to maintain any kind of consistency throughout the game. While this didn't surprise me from this LFC team, with many players making their first appearance, and most players being not accustomed playing together, I was a bit surprised that YB weren't able to put more pressure on our defence. Had they been able to do this, it would have been a flood of goals against us. Enrique especially was bad throughout the game. Carra looked extremely bad at times. Two goals are due to him being badly positioned, lacking strength and/or pace. As for Jones, he looked so unsecure out there... my opinion is that he should never play for LFC again, as he simply lacks the necessary quality to play for the Reds. He seems to be a likeable guy, but that isn't enough unfortunately. Playing for a top club requires talent, which he is completely deprived from. I'd rather go with Gulasci as second keeper if Doni isn't available (where the hell has that lad disappeared?... scratching my head about this... is he injured or what?)

- But I think, more than blaming individuals, it was rather our collective defensive work which was horrible, right from the front until the goalie. I'd not exclude one single player from this blame, and I'm very surprised that Rodgers didn't acknowledge this in his post-match interview. It's good to score five goals, but shipping in that many bad goals against a sub-standard side isn't good enough I'm afraid. Holding the lead two times should have been enough to finish this game off.

- As some other posters have said, the rhythm of the game was at times like during a friendly, with both sides experiencing 'out-times' when they stopped to play football, and were watching their opponents trying to do something.

- Only when Borini and Shelvey were introduced, our game won a bit of consistency, and that proved ultimately enough to get the better of this weak opposition. Especially Jonjo made a huge difference, as he was able to help the team finally keeping the ball on a consistent basis. His two goals (from two Henderson-assists) were brillantly taken.

- It was particularly enjoyable to see so many youngsters involved.

Suso had a good first game for the first team, although the midfield always lacked a bit of control as long as he played centrally. When Shelvey was introduced, he shifted to the left wing and did well there, while the team improved it's overall game.

Wisdom had a good game I think. He wasn't at fault for any of the goals I think, took his goal well and looked lively and powerful. Very promising performance!

Pacheco played in a central striker position, with Suso behind him. I don't think this is his best position, as he probably enjoys more playing as a second striker, or coming in from the wing. He had a bit of an indifferent game, mainly due to the fact that he didn't do enough to put himself in good positions to receive the ball, an had some difficulties to impose himself physically as a lone striker against the tall YB defenders (especially with that fellow minnow Suso not offering much help to put physical pressure on YB!...). As all other players, his defensive work wasn't good enough as well. When Borini (who, contrarily to Pacheco, is a recognized central striker) came on, the difference in intensity, movement and pace showed instantly. Will have to improve if he wants to remain at the club, but I wouldn't dismiss him for now. When having the ball, he showed some really good stuff.

- Among the more 'senior' players at the start, only Coates, Sahin and Henderson were convincing (at times, not during the full 90 minutes). Carragher, Enrique and especially Downing showed abject performances.

- I had a special look at Downing's behaviour on the pitch (something which can't be told when looking at a match on TV), and all I can say now after having witnessed one of his performances first-hand, is that this guy is an abject failure and a coward. He has talent, pace and as a matter of fact, everything to make a great winger, but he lacks the elementary willingness to make runs, to present himself in order for a team-mate to give him the ball. He hides more often than not. Here and then, he'd pop up with a good cross or a run, but 95% of the time, he was just hiding. I'm really happy that Sterling is about to reveal himself as a useful player for us, because Downing is a liability, nothing else. His failure is a mental one: he lacks fighting spirit, and the willingness to run for his team-mates.

- Assaidi had a reasonably good debut. He played on the left in the first half, then on the right in the second. He displayed some mazy runs, quite some trickery and kept YB on their toes, although he was a bit in and out of the game, a flaw which was displayed by most players yesterday night.


All in all a good night and a positive experience for the young players to learn from. Finally one last point: this young B-team has shown to the senior players how to score goals. Up to our stars to take up that challenge now, and put five past the mancs on Sunday!

 

redbj

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I don't really understand, are you really suggesting Gerrard and Lucas are competing for the same spot in the lineup, because I just can't agree with that at all, regardless of form of either of them. They play entirely different positions.
no.

lets try not back out of the debate here.

you suggested that the first choice three should be shelvey lucas and allen.

we agree on allen, id suggest gerrard would be the next guy on the teamsheet.

can you explain your definition of first choice to me in the modern game?, i break it down as a simple 'if there was a cup final tommorrow' question, seeing as football is really a squad game nowadays, so the cup fianl question seems the best way to put what id call a first choice team out.

hence i think the only 2 nailed on are gerrard and allen.

the issue i have with your election to lucas is that you are claiming gerrards only playing on reputation, what are you judging lucas on? it cant be his fitness, and he has no form to speak of, so it has to be his reputation.

its as simple as that.
 

Zinedine Biscan

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no.

lets try not back out of the debate here.

you suggested that the first choice three should be shelvey lucas and allen.

we agree on allen, id suggest gerrard would be the next guy on the teamsheet.

can you explain your definition of first choice to me in the modern game?, i break it down as a simple 'if there was a cup final tommorrow' question, seeing as football is really a squad game nowadays, so the cup fianl question seems the best way to put what id call a first choice team out.

hence i think the only 2 nailed on are gerrard and allen.

the issue i have with your election to lucas is that you are claiming gerrards only playing on reputation, what are you judging lucas on? it cant be his fitness, and he has no form to speak of, so it has to be his reputation.

its as simple as that.
So what has Gerrard done to warrant being ahead of Shelvey, which is really the point being debated here?

It isn't Gerrard/Lucas, much as you would like it to be.

Perhaps in my original post I should have elaborated on it to say that Lucas was there as the ONLY DM we have at the club, but to be honest I thought that point was so obvious it didn't need stating.
 

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I wouldn't read much into this match because it was like a mix-mash of players put together to form a team to play against our opposition. I hazard a guess that only 1 or 2 of these players have actually started a match together at least once before last night (Coates and Carragher, Sahin and Enrique).

Two of the goals were also from set pieces, which in our normal first XI, we only have Agger and Skrtel who score from corners. Glad that Shelvey grabbed a brace, and that Sterling is kept fit for the Man Utd match. I hope Rodgers does not take this performance as a bench mark of what the reserve players can do. For one, he put Pacheco in an extremely awkward position so you cannot expect him to perform up to his usual standards.

From those who watched the match, could Assaidi be our wild card come Sunday? Is he ready for some action against Premier League opposition?