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PRE-MATCH: Everton v. Liverpool (PL: Sun, 28.10.12)

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Really looking forward to this although it will certainly not be an easy game. Just a bit worried that with most of our players only having a couple of days rest we may look lethargic especially in the 2nd half. Gerrard and Suarez are the ones I'm most concerned about as they also played full International matches towards the end of last week.

I'd like to see the following team:

Reina​
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique​
Gerrard Allen Sahin​
Suso Suarez Sterling​

Subs: Jones, Coates, Wisdom, Shelvey, Hendo, Assaidi, Downing​

Don't really want to be using Wisdom every single game at his age and I feel that overlapping full backs will allow us to be even more fluid when attacking with Suso and Sterling both players who like to cut in. Having said that I full expect Wisdom to start with Johnson at LB.
 

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stupid muppets that run our cable schedule here at school have done away with espn2. we have espn, espn classic, espn news, but no espn 2. unbelievable. that said, ill have to get up wicked early and make my way to the 11th st pub in manhattan. anyone else going, get there early
 

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Really looking forward to this although it will certainly not be an easy game. Just a bit worried that with most of our players only having a couple of days rest we may look lethargic especially in the 2nd half. Gerrard and Suarez are the ones I'm most concerned about as they also played full International matches towards the end of last week.

I'd like to see the following team:




Reina​
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique​
Gerrard Allen Sahin​
Suso Suarez Sterling​


Subs: Jones, Coates, Wisdom, Shelvey, Hendo, Assaidi, Downing​

Don't really want to be using Wisdom every single game at his age and I feel that overlapping full backs will allow us to be even more fluid when attacking with Suso and Sterling both players who like to cut in. Having said that I full expect Wisdom to start with Johnson at LB.
Replace Downing with Pacheco on the bench, and I'd be fairly happy with that. Maybe reward a fellow Aussie in Brad Jones for playing well recently, and he's had a derby win under his belt as well. Not sure I'd be rushing Reina back, espeically on his current form. He's not earnt it.

Really not sure about Suso on the right wing. It's like we're committing the same mistake Kenny did with playing Hendo in the same position, when they both do best through the middle. Sure Suso has fantastic ball control, but in my opinion he looks weak when he's cutting in. He's not Robben or Hulk, who have got that move down to a fine art. He tried it a few times against Norwich, but looked unthreatening.

Plus, it's ultra predictable. Baines would see it coming a mile away.

Would rather see him playing in a central role, but then again I suppose we've still got no-one really to play there who specialises in that role.

Also, I don't think Wisdom is a barging, overlapping fullback just yet mate. He's still getting all that CB play out of his play still. So don't expect too much of that. I recall him being pretty docile going forwards against Anzhi.


I'd have loved to see Suarez finally getting some support play off Stevie for this game. Someone said it before, the Bitters are scared of him. But now that he's played 90 mins against Anzhi, and this only 2 and a bit days later, I don't see that happening.

In fact, I don't see us posing a whole lot of threat up front in this game. Our only real goalscorer is stuffed from the amount of games he's played in the last couple of weeks, and we've got a bunch of teens on our wings, who will be new to the derby atmosphere. I see a goal coming form a player off the bench, maybe a burst from Shelvey, or even a goal from Sahin, who is much more youthful than Stevie and should be able to cope with the derby ferocity.

I'd go with a very, very close game. 1-0 to us, as I don't see us conceding at the moment. We've got our defensive act together, *touch wood*



Phew, it's been a while since I've contributed that much to a pre match.
 



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If it were me?

[font=courier new']Assaidi - - Yesil - - Sterling[/font]

[font=courier new']Sahin - Allen[/font]
[font=courier new']Henderson[/font]

[font=courier new']Robinson - - Agger - Skrtel - - Johnson[/font]
[font=courier new']Jones[/font]

But that's never going to happen because we're running Suárez into the ground. Gerrard will inevitably start because he's Gerrard. Suso will probably be right wing despite being far more influential through the middle. Assaidi will probably not be rewarded for his good performance. Allen will be played out of position as shoe-horned DM despite Henderson doing very well in that role.

Sterling - - Suárez - - Suso

Sahin
Gerrard - Allen

Enrique - - Agger - Skrtel - - Johnson
Jones

I know which one I find more impressive.
 

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If it were me?

[font=courier new']Assaidi - - Yesil - - Sterling[/font]

[font=courier new']Sahin - Allen[/font]
[font=courier new']Henderson[/font]

[font=courier new']Robinson - - Agger - Skrtel - - Johnson[/font]
[font=courier new']Jones[/font]

But that's never going to happen because we're running Suárez into the ground. Gerrard will inevitably start because he's Gerrard. Suso will probably be right wing despite being far more influential through the middle. Assaidi will probably not be rewarded for his good performance. Allen will be played out of position as shoe-horned DM despite Henderson doing very well in that role.

Sterling - - Suárez - - Suso

Sahin
Gerrard - Allen

Enrique - - Agger - Skrtel - - Johnson
Jones

I know which one I find more impressive.


I really don't think a derby is the right game to introduce Yesil.
 

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I really don't think a derby is the right game to introduce Yesil.
I don't even begin to imagine that it would be. But we're going to break our last senior striker at this rate. Do you seriously expect Rodgers to not start Suárez against Newcastle, Anzhi, and Chelsea?
 

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I don't even begin to imagine that it would be. But we're going to break our last senior striker at this rate. Do you seriously expect Rodgers to not start Suárez against Newcastle, Anzhi, and Chelsea?
No - as I said in the Anzhi thread, I would be impressed with Rodgers if he doesn't start against Swansea on Wednesday. Otherwise, it is mid-November before he doesn't go two a week, with the possibility of also sitting out the Anfield leg versus Young Boys - which would be wise, because he will almost certainly play 3 games in 6 days to finish the month. But I'd rather see Morgan or Yesil get a chance away to Anzhi, where a draw would just about do.
 

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No - as I said in the Anzhi thread, I would be impressed with Rodgers if he doesn't start against Swansea on Wednesday. Otherwise, it is mid-November before he doesn't go two a week, with the possibility of also sitting out the Anfield leg versus Young Boys - which would be wise, because he will almost certainly play 3 games in 6 days to finish the month. But I'd rather see Morgan or Yesil get a chance away to Anzhi, where a draw would just about do.
So far the heavy hitters havent been involved in the European away ties as we are doing well in the group Im not too sure thatll change.

If we beat Young Boys at home (sounds wrong..) then Anzhi an Udi would have to both beat Young Boys themselves AND both beat us for us not to qualify.

See Rodgers sticking to his plan use the heavy hitters at Anfield to secure progress in the competition and use the away legs as a way to give chances to fringe an young players and any results they get are a bonus.
 



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Not sure why I think it (cant predict Rodgers at all) but wouldnt be surprised to see:

_____________Jones_____________
Wisdom, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson
______________Allen______________
__________Gerrard, Suso_________
_____Sterling, Suarez, Assaidi___

Everybody is talking about how much Gerrard is playing but Sahin is playing a lot more than his body is used to and his influence on games is starting to fade a bit. Maybe swapping Gerrard for Sahin around 60th minute.
 

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My preferred team would be

------------------------Jones------------------------
Glen---------Skrtel--------------Agger--------Enrique
--------------Hendo-----------Allen-----------------
Gerrard-------------Sahin--------------Sterling
--------------------Suarez--------------------------

Wisdom is overworked, needs a rest.Suso could use some as well.Don't want Gerrard in the CM.Plus he is also our best finisher, so having him up top would help with taking chances.

Hendo deserves the DM spot in Lucas absence.Or else he is as good as gone in January.
 

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Strongest side is needed and I would even go as far as putting Carragher in the defensive mid, playing along side Allen to cover the back 4. We need players with emotional sentiment in this game to raise it up a few notches. The more the merrier. Can't see us coming out of this feeling good and rosy, but hope to see us holding them off for a point. I don't think Felaini is fit for this one as well, hope not.

My biggest concern is defending crosses and set pieces. Most teams had been very happy to lob the ball into our box, without much resistance from the fullbacks and midfielders. That is the weakest part of our defensive game play. Although not many has scored, but a lot of near miss chances. If there is a quality striker like jelavic in there, we are in for a nice spanking.
 

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We should have more than enough confidence after the recent two 1-0 wins to overcome those bluenoses.

Reports that Fellaini will be fit, so we can expect a lot of balls hoofed up to him and in the event trying to unsettle our defence.

I will keep the backline the same as last night, Shelvey also available after serving his 3 match suspension.

I'd take another 1-0 win, and I'm cautiously optimistic that we can and will do just that.
 

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Skirtel was a monster last night against A.M....hope he has the same game against the Everton. Suarez was pathetic petty and unprofessional last night but as he is one of our limited match winners he will play again even though I think he needs a spell on the sidelines and watch the younger lads, Suso in paticular. He might oblidge with a spell on the sides through suspension if he continues his really awful displays of petulance.Not good. Just play the game with your skill and guile and it will be fine.
Sahin was excellent last night and was our continuity midfielder, I would say he was tired last night. Assaidi is a starter for me in this one, he will suprise them and he has bags of pace, had a marvelous game last night.
Sterling, 17 year old, Raheem Sterling, better than the granny shagger at this age. A real buzz when hes on it, no doubt they will be out to knobble him from the off.
I would start with Jones
Wisdom Skirtel Carra Agger

Gerrard Allen Sahin

Sterling Suarez Assaidi.......

But we are more likely to see
Jones
Skirtel Agger

Wisdom Johnson
Allen

Sterling Gerrard Sahin


Shelvey

Suarez.

We have the pace to trouble them big time and they have defo improved Im going for a controversial filled 2- 0 win for us....
 



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Our 'best 11' is pretty simple now. So same as last few league games, but I'd put Shelvey in instead of Suso for some more strength in the middle:

Reina/Jones
Wisdom Skrtel Agger Johnson
Gerrard Allen Sahin
Shelvey Suarez Sterling
 

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Hopefully Gerrard steps it up again for this one and ensures the 3 points. Hope Suarez gets a goal as well.
 

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I'd say this is the biggest game of the season for us, especially because (for a change) the Blues are ahead of us (and by a considerable distance). We've had 3 clean sheets, couple of good wins, but this could be the kind of game that really lifts the confidence levels.

I'd want to see the following line up.


Reina​
Wisdom - Skrtel - Agger - Johnson​
Allen - Sahin​
Gerrard​
Sterling - Shelvey - Suarez​

Subs: Jones, Coates, Robinson, Henderson, Suso, Assaidi, Yesil/Pacheco​

Obviously Shelvey isn't a centre forward, but I think this game will be won on the wings. Down the left, Everton are strong with Baines being a quality left back, however I think that without Pinnear to help him out he will struggle to make the overlapping runs he's so good at. Wisdom has played well and I hope will contiune to do so. Sterling on the right in my opinon can be important for the counter attacks if Baines gets forward. Down the left I'd like to see Suarez and Johnson work together. Assuming Hibbert is there, Suarez and Johnson should be able to run rings around him. Shelvey and Gerrard to be the arrivals in the box/edge of the box for balls from Suarez and Johsnon (from the left) and Sterling (from the right). Distin and Jagielka have been fairly solid so can't see Suarez forcing his way through too many times down the middle.

If Felliani is out we have the midfield to control the game. Here's hoping.

I think the rest if self explanatory. Slightly torn about Suso. Does he start before Shelvey? I think not, but who am I to know. Assiadi can make a big impact off the bench too

6 pointer - I'm excited and nervous about this one. Never an easy game to win. I predict a defender to score. Either Skrtel or Johnson
 

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I'd say this is the biggest game of the season for us, especially because (for a change) the Blues are ahead of us (and by a considerable distance). We've had 3 clean sheets, couple of good wins, but this could be the kind of game that really lifts the confidence levels.

I'd want to see the following line up.


Reina​
Wisdom - Skrtel - Agger - Johnson​
Allen - Sahin​
Gerrard​
Sterling - Shelvey - Suarez​

Subs: Jones, Coates, Robinson, Henderson, Suso, Assaidi, Yesil/Pacheco​

Obviously Shelvey isn't a centre forward, but I think this game will be won on the wings. Down the left, Everton are strong with Bains being a quality left back, however I think that without Pinnear to help him out he will struggle to make the overlapping runs he's so good at. Wisdom has played well and I hope will contiune to do so. Sterling on the right in my opinon can be important for the counter attacks if Baines gets forward. Down the left I'd like to see Suarez and Johnson work together. Assuming Hibbert is there, Suarez and Johnson should be able to run rings around then. Shelvey and Gerrard to be the arrivals in the box.edge of the box for balls from Suarez and Johsnon (from the left) and Sterling (from the right). Distin and Jagielka have been fairly solid so can't see Suarez forcing his way through too many times down the middle.

If Felliani is out we have the midfield to control the game. Here's hoping.

I think the rest if self explanatory. Slightly torn about Suso. Does he start before Shelvey? I think not, but who am I to know. Assiadi can make a big impact off the bench too

6 pointer - I'm excited and nervous about this one. Never an easy game to win.
But happily, we usually do.

What is unusual this time around is that the bitters are the better form team with a more solid and experienced squad. I've a lot of respect for David Moyes regarding what he's had to make do with over the years; he's had a fraction of the average LFC manager's transfer budget in the main and has nearly always kept them competative, which speaks wonders for his eye for cheap gems in the transfer market and his team-organisational skills. I often wonder how he would have done for us had come here, given that he would have had a lot more cash at his disposal.
 

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So Hibbert (saw he played for the Reserves against Arsenal last week) is a doubt at right back for them, Fellaini and Gibson are still not totally ruled out (you just feel that Moyes will push at least one of them to be fit, probably Marouane), Pienaar is out. Neville is almost certain to start in the middle of the park, and then it depends on who's fit where Heitinga plays, or where he puts Osman and Mirallas. We know the rest.

It depends a lot on how Rodgers approaches it tactically and who he picks in certain positions. Do we look to have someone more disciplined on Baines/Mirallas' side or we put a more attacking option to give Baines something to worry about when he thinks about bombing forward?

Do we stick with players like Suso and Sahin who might struggle a bit with the physicality, or we keep a 'footballing' side on the pitch to dominate possession from the first minute to try and beat this Everton team that will miss some players. We will try and control the game that's for sure, but if Fellaini plays behind Jelavic we can't just leave Allen too exposed there. So I guess we're almost sure to play the 2 behind the 1 in the middle, question is do we play Sahin and put Gerrard behind the striker, or do we play Shelvey and put Gerrard back a bit to help Allen?

Shelvey didn't have the best of performances last night, and after what happened against United (even though it was never a red card) he'd probably be a bit more calm this time + after a bad performance raise his game this time. But with Sahin and Allen we have people who can really pass it and move it, leaving Gerrard who had 90 minutes last night to maybe concentrate less on running, give him more freedom to do what he does best these days - setting people up, giving that extra quality on the ball in the final third and doing his thing when he feels he can. Really doubt Rodgers would change it now over night and put him on the right, don't think that will happen.

Suarez will keep his place up and then it depends what we do on the sides. If Sterling plays on the left then we're left with either Suso or Downing. If Sterling starts on the right then it could open a place for another start for Assaidi, but this game might come a bit too early for him due to the physicality and the 90 minutes he had last night, perhaps better to keep as an impact sub.


Still no decison from me what I'd definitely like to see, it mainly depends on those doubts that Everton have.
 



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So Hibbert (saw he played for the Reserves against Arsenal last week) is a doubt at right back for them, Fellaini and Gibson are still not totally ruled out (you just feel that Moyes will push at least one of them to be fit, probably Marouane), Pienaar is out. Neville is almost certain to start in the middle of the park, and then it depends on who's fit where Heitinga plays, or where he puts Osman and Mirallas. We know the rest.

It depends a lot on how Rodgers approaches it tactically and who he picks in certain positions. Do we look to have someone more disciplined on Baines/Mirallas' side or we put a more attacking option to give Baines something to worry about when he thinks about bombing forward?

Do we stick with players like Suso and Sahin who might struggle a bit with the physicality, or we keep a 'footballing' side on the pitch to dominate possession from the first minute to try and beat this Everton team that will miss some players. We will try and control the game that's for sure, but if Fellaini plays behind Jelavic we can't just leave Allen too exposed there. So I guess we're almost sure to play the 2 behind the 1 in the middle, question is do we play Sahin and put Gerrard behind the striker, or do we play Shelvey and put Gerrard back a bit to help Allen?

Shelvey didn't have the best of performances last night, and after what happened against United (even though it was never a red card) he'd probably be a bit more calm this time + after a bad performance raise his game this time. But with Sahin and Allen we have people who can really pass it and move it, leaving Gerrard who had 90 minutes last night to maybe concentrate less on running, give him more freedom to do what he does best these days - setting people up, giving that extra quality on the ball in the final third and doing his thing when he feels he can. Really doubt Rodgers would change it now over night and put him on the right, don't think that will happen.

Suarez will keep his place up and then it depends what we do on the sides. If Sterling plays on the left then we're left with either Suso or Downing. If Sterling starts on the right then it could open a place for another start for Assaidi, but this game might come a bit too early for him due to the physicality and the 90 minutes he had last night, perhaps better to keep as an impact sub.


Still no decison from me what I'd definitely like to see, it mainly depends on those doubts that Everton have.
The main problem I think we may have is Gerrards discipline. That's why I'd like to see him infront of Sahin and Allen where he can do what he does against the likes of ManU and Everton. If he feels fit enough to run his socks off there let him. It's these games where his discipline levels fall and his desire to beat the arch rivals takes over and he can get too carried away with it all (trying to take the game by the scruff of the neck, roy of the rovers type business which as time passes he's not able to do as well).

In the holding role(s) he'll be to eager to get the game moving. Sahin and Allen on the other hand will be happy to carry a steady tempo. Once they dispose of the ball forward to Sterling/Gerrard/Shelvey/Suarez the pace picks up and Sahin or Allen follow the play making those well times runs into the box.
 

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If it were me?

[font=courier new']Assaidi - - Yesil - - Sterling[/font]

[font=courier new']Sahin - Allen[/font]
[font=courier new']Henderson[/font]

[font=courier new']Robinson - - Agger - Skrtel - - Johnson[/font]
[font=courier new']Jones[/font]

But that's never going to happen because we're running Suárez into the ground. Gerrard will inevitably start because he's Gerrard. Suso will probably be right wing despite being far more influential through the middle. Assaidi will probably not be rewarded for his good performance. Allen will be played out of position as shoe-horned DM despite Henderson doing very well in that role.

Sterling - - Suárez - - Suso

Sahin
Gerrard - Allen

Enrique - - Agger - Skrtel - - Johnson
Jones

I know which one I find more impressive.

I know which is most impressive to me as well, definitely the second team but i can see something else happening. I can really see BR rewarding Downing and playing him this game. Personally i hope to see your second team for this, i know Suarez needs a break but this game is way too important.
 

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So Hibbert (saw he played for the Reserves against Arsenal last week) is a doubt at right back for them, Fellaini and Gibson are still not totally ruled out (you just feel that Moyes will push at least one of them to be fit, probably Marouane), Pienaar is out. Neville is almost certain to start in the middle of the park, and then it depends on who's fit where Heitinga plays, or where he puts Osman and Mirallas. We know the rest.

It depends a lot on how Rodgers approaches it tactically and who he picks in certain positions. Do we look to have someone more disciplined on Baines/Mirallas' side or we put a more attacking option to give Baines something to worry about when he thinks about bombing forward?

Do we stick with players like Suso and Sahin who might struggle a bit with the physicality, or we keep a 'footballing' side on the pitch to dominate possession from the first minute to try and beat this Everton team that will miss some players. We will try and control the game that's for sure, but if Fellaini plays behind Jelavic we can't just leave Allen too exposed there. So I guess we're almost sure to play the 2 behind the 1 in the middle, question is do we play Sahin and put Gerrard behind the striker, or do we play Shelvey and put Gerrard back a bit to help Allen?

Shelvey didn't have the best of performances last night, and after what happened against United (even though it was never a red card) he'd probably be a bit more calm this time + after a bad performance raise his game this time. But with Sahin and Allen we have people who can really pass it and move it, leaving Gerrard who had 90 minutes last night to maybe concentrate less on running, give him more freedom to do what he does best these days - setting people up, giving that extra quality on the ball in the final third and doing his thing when he feels he can. Really doubt Rodgers would change it now over night and put him on the right, don't think that will happen.

Suarez will keep his place up and then it depends what we do on the sides. If Sterling plays on the left then we're left with either Suso or Downing. If Sterling starts on the right then it could open a place for another start for Assaidi, but this game might come a bit too early for him due to the physicality and the 90 minutes he had last night, perhaps better to keep as an impact sub.


Still no decison from me what I'd definitely like to see, it mainly depends on those doubts that Everton have.
Bearing in mind what you say about Fellaini an Jelavic if Rodgers is going to taylor his squad to this one I think we will see one of 2 central midfields. If Fellaini plays I can see Henderson getting a chance to play next to Allen with Gerrard behind the front man. If not I can see Allen holding with Shelvey or Suso getting the chance next to Gerrard in a more attacking midfield.
 

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Think Henderson has been on the same diet/gym routine as Shelvey. In the Young Boys game he looked massive - absolute tank. I've worried by the lack of physicality of our midfield in games against teams such as Everton or Stoke. I think you might be on to something regarding Hendo - didnt play Thursday too
 

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Think Henderson has been on the same diet/gym routine as Shelvey. In the Young Boys game he looked massive - absolute tank. I've worried by the lack of physicality of our midfield in games against teams such as Everton or Stoke. I think you might be on to something regarding Hendo - didnt play Thursday too
I think he's looked brilliant this season and has certainly deserved more minutes than he's got.
 



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Think Henderson has been on the same diet/gym routine as Shelvey. In the Young Boys game he looked massive - absolute tank. I've worried by the lack of physicality of our midfield in games against teams such as Everton or Stoke. I think you might be on to something regarding Hendo - didnt play Thursday too
Thats one reason why I think Henderson or Suso may start in midfield. Sahin is fantastic as always but his influence hasnt kept pace with that brilliance and just think that may be because he is overdue a rest he is still getting brought up to speed after a year on bench and recently getting match fit. Henderson would be more defensive and Suso more offensive so gives a tactical choice. Or if Rodgers is unsure play Sahin for tactical flexibility.
 

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As much as I love Sahin's style and his virtually instantaneous transition to our midfield he does lack that physical presence. More than makes up for it in other areas but Hendo would be far more physically capable and ready for the combative nature of Everton and a derby.
 

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Thats one reason why I think Henderson or Suso may start in midfield. Sahin is fantastic as always but his influence hasnt kept pace with that brilliance and just think that may be because he is overdue a rest he is still getting brought up to speed after a year on bench and recently getting match fit. Henderson would be more defensive and Suso more offensive so gives a tactical choice. Or if Rodgers is unsure play Sahin for tactical flexibility.
Ooh. That means possibly:

[font=courier new']Assaidi - - Suárez - - Sterling[/font]
↗-------
[font=courier new']Suso - - Allen[/font]
[font=courier new']Henderson[/font]

[font=courier new']Robinson? - - Agger - Skrtel - - Wisdom?[/font]
[font=courier new']Jones[/font]

I would be very happy with that.
 

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This game will have a few tasty tackles and I am not sure that Suso and Sahin are suited for this game in the starting XI. Shelvey should start but along with Gerrard and Suarez, he is one of the 3 candidates for a red card as Everton will wind him up. Based on yesterdays performance I would start Assaidi on the left and Sterling on the right which will keep the Everton fullbacks quite and in defensive mode.
 

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Just thought I post it as I come across this on twitter. Kuyt may be plying his trade elsewhere but he will always be a hero not least for his big heart and his goals against everton.

Check what he said, a legend in my book for that lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lCunRE5t6Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 



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