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PRE MATCH: Liverpool vs Newcastle (EPL), Wednesday December 26th 2018, 15:00

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nobluff

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Liverpool's form for the last 5 games has not changed, and we are not getting bored of seeing - WWWWW - 15 points, 3 away wins, 2 home wins, 3 clean sheets, 2 goals conceded, 13 goals scored. The goals scored has dropped by one goal from the last 5, so we need to fix that. Liverpool are still the only unbeaten side in the EPL, Dejan is relieved. Liverpool is still the only side to have goals conceded, in single figures, and the closest rival in goals conceded is a 85.7% higher. We are top of the league at Christmas. After our win on Friday, in all truth, we only expected to be 1 point clear by end of Saturdays games, so 4 points is an extra gift that has been happily accepted.

Newcastle's form for the last 5 games is not that great, and may that continue for exactly 1 more game, after which they can win every game in January - LDLWD - 5 points, 0 home wins, 2 home losses, 1 away win, 1 away draw and 1 home draw. They have only scored 3 goals while conceding 6. Newcastle have a goal difference of -8, and currently have the joint 7th best defense in the EPL, at 22 goals conceded. They have only scored 14, which is 19th in the league. Newcastle hardly score any goals, so the fact that they are above the relegation zone means that defense is their main weapon. They are away from home, and playing the team in form. We all know how organized Rafa can be, and that he will be playing for a draw. They will be as defensive as possible.

I don't think we have any new injury concerns. I believe Keita is fine, just an impact injury as per Jurgen. TAA should be good to go. Newcastle have a few knocks. I expect their team will be at full strength.

The game in my opinion is going to be attack vs defense, so we should have the lions share of the possession. We will most likely field the most attacking lineup possible, taking into account that rotation is a definite, especially with a big game 3 days later. I am 99% sure that Shaqiri will start, I also think Sturridge will start, and I have a funny feeling that Camacho might start if TAA is not 100%.

I think the most attacking lineup we can field, while taking rotation into account, will be (yes it looks very strange):

Code:
            Alisson
Camacho   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
       Henderson      Gini
              Lallana
        Shaqiri     Sturridge

Code:
            Alisson
TTA   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
      Gini      Keita    Lallana
          Shaqiri     Sturridge

It's about time that we scored lots of goals, so 4-0 is my prediction. Just keep the pressure on all our rivals as it seems to have worked wonders.
 

dockers_strike

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Well everyone says rest this player, rest that player because we have a lot of tough games but I dont hear many saying prioritise the league over the FAC and CL! Put bluntly, I dont want us falling between stools so the league is the priority for me. Sorry to keep on at it but despite city's loss today, we will drop some ourselves and Im not sure how many more city will.

I wouldnt make wholesale changes. Clyne in at RB, depending how the Newcastle game goes, Id look to bring off Robbo for Moreno (yes I know but when's robbo going to get a rest?), Gini probably comes in for keita and the Shaq for Mane. Cmon reds.
 

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Could be a strange one this. We have 5 days rest again so fatigue shouldn't be an issue but I wonder if Jurgen will have one eye on the Arsenal match. Gini didn't start last night so I'd have thought he'd start this one but I'd rather keep him fresh for Arsenal. For me Shaqiri really should play with maybe Hendo and Milner as the pivot. Clyne RB and maybe Sturridge will get a turn.
As for Newcastle I wonder if Rafa might rest a few. He'll likely be thinking he's got a much better chance of getting something at Watford 3 days later so why wear out his team in a game they'll lose if it goes anywhere near to form? Could all make for some interesting line-up's.
 

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Liverpool's form for the last 5 games has not changed, and we are not getting bored of seeing - WWWWW - 15 points, 3 away wins, 2 home wins, 3 clean sheets, 2 goals conceded, 13 goals scored. The goals scored has dropped by one goal from the last 5, so we need to fix that. Liverpool are still the only unbeaten side in the EPL, Dejan is relieved. Liverpool is still the only side to have goals conceded, in single figures, and the closest rival in goals conceded is a 85.7% higher. We are top of the league at Christmas. After our win on Friday, in all truth, we only expected to be 1 point clear by end of Saturdays games, so 4 points is an extra gift that has been happily accepted.

Newcastle's form for the last 5 games is not that great, and may that continue for exactly 1 more game, after which they can win every game in January - LDLWD - 5 points, 0 home wins, 2 home losses, 1 away win, 1 away draw and 1 home draw. They have only scored 3 goals while conceding 6. Newcastle have a goal difference of -8, and currently have the joint 7th best defense in the EPL, at 22 goals conceded. They have only scored 14, which is 19th in the league. Newcastle hardly score any goals, so the fact that they are above the relegation zone means that defense is their main weapon. They are away from home, and playing the team in form. We all know how organized Rafa can be, and that he will be playing for a draw. They will be as defensive as possible.

I don't think we have any new injury concerns. I believe Keita is fine, just an impact injury as per Jurgen. TAA should be good to go. Newcastle have a few knocks. I expect their team will be at full strength.

The game in my opinion is going to be attack vs defense, so we should have the lions share of the possession. We will most likely field the most attacking lineup possible, taking into account that rotation is a definite, especially with a big game 3 days later. I am 99% sure that Shaqiri will start, I also think Sturridge will start, and I have a funny feeling that Camacho might start if TAA is not 100%.

I think the most attacking lineup we can field, while taking rotation into account, will be (yes it looks very strange):

Code:
            Alisson
Camacho   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
       Henderson      Gini
              Lallana
        Shaqiri     Sturridge

Code:
            Alisson
TTA   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
      Gini      Keita    Lallana
          Shaqiri     Sturridge

It's about time that we scored lots of goals, so 4-0 is my prediction. Just keep the pressure on all our rivals as it seems to have worked wonders.
Liverpool's form for the last 5 games has not changed, and we are not getting bored of seeing - WWWWW - 15 points, 3 away wins, 2 home wins, 3 clean sheets, 2 goals conceded, 13 goals scored. The goals scored has dropped by one goal from the last 5, so we need to fix that. Liverpool are still the only unbeaten side in the EPL, Dejan is relieved. Liverpool is still the only side to have goals conceded, in single figures, and the closest rival in goals conceded is a 85.7% higher. We are top of the league at Christmas. After our win on Friday, in all truth, we only expected to be 1 point clear by end of Saturdays games, so 4 points is an extra gift that has been happily accepted.

Newcastle's form for the last 5 games is not that great, and may that continue for exactly 1 more game, after which they can win every game in January - LDLWD - 5 points, 0 home wins, 2 home losses, 1 away win, 1 away draw and 1 home draw. They have only scored 3 goals while conceding 6. Newcastle have a goal difference of -8, and currently have the joint 7th best defense in the EPL, at 22 goals conceded. They have only scored 14, which is 19th in the league. Newcastle hardly score any goals, so the fact that they are above the relegation zone means that defense is their main weapon. They are away from home, and playing the team in form. We all know how organized Rafa can be, and that he will be playing for a draw. They will be as defensive as possible.

I don't think we have any new injury concerns. I believe Keita is fine, just an impact injury as per Jurgen. TAA should be good to go. Newcastle have a few knocks. I expect their team will be at full strength.

The game in my opinion is going to be attack vs defense, so we should have the lions share of the possession. We will most likely field the most attacking lineup possible, taking into account that rotation is a definite, especially with a big game 3 days later. I am 99% sure that Shaqiri will start, I also think Sturridge will start, and I have a funny feeling that Camacho might start if TAA is not 100%.

I think the most attacking lineup we can field, while taking rotation into account, will be (yes it looks very strange):

Code:
            Alisson
Camacho   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
       Henderson      Gini
              Lallana
        Shaqiri     Sturridge

Code:
            Alisson
TTA   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
      Gini      Keita    Lallana
          Shaqiri     Sturridge

It's about time that we scored lots of goals, so 4-0 is my prediction. Just keep the pressure on all our rivals as it seems to have worked wonders.
Thanks, @nobluff . Excellent mix of quantitative analysis, qualitative analysis, forecasting, and wit.

I’m in Sausalito and ducked into a chocolate shop to grab some coffee. Song playing: We’re Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas Time. Destiny.
 

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Wolves away was a good win - they are a decent side and should finish top ten. Newcastle will undoubtedly park a big black and white bus. Think Robertson could do with a rest and would be surprised to see Milner start again - he looked tired at times on Friday and may be carrying a minor injury. Good game for Sturridge to get a start as well. If TAA is available then think the line-up will be -

Allison
TAA Lovren VVD Moreno
Henderson Gini
Shaqiri
Salah Sturridge Mane

Mingolet Firminho Keita Fabinho Clyne Milner Robertson

Lots of options off the bench if needed.

Merry Christmas to you all.
 

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Three points. Don’t care how they come. Would be nice if it’s a comfortable win, but three points the main thing. Two very tough games coming up against Arsenal and Man City, need to stay on the win bus against the barcodes.

It was a shock to see Crystal Palace beat Man City, but it shows you have to take care of business. Rafa is a top manager and will wring every last bit out of a modest group of players. I expect some organization and resistance but our quality should come through, provided we are at it.
 

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Liverpool's form for the last 5 games has not changed, and we are not getting bored of seeing - WWWWW - 15 points, 3 away wins, 2 home wins, 3 clean sheets, 2 goals conceded, 13 goals scored. The goals scored has dropped by one goal from the last 5, so we need to fix that. Liverpool are still the only unbeaten side in the EPL, Dejan is relieved. Liverpool is still the only side to have goals conceded, in single figures, and the closest rival in goals conceded is a 85.7% higher. We are top of the league at Christmas. After our win on Friday, in all truth, we only expected to be 1 point clear by end of Saturdays games, so 4 points is an extra gift that has been happily accepted.

Newcastle's form for the last 5 games is not that great, and may that continue for exactly 1 more game, after which they can win every game in January - LDLWD - 5 points, 0 home wins, 2 home losses, 1 away win, 1 away draw and 1 home draw. They have only scored 3 goals while conceding 6. Newcastle have a goal difference of -8, and currently have the joint 7th best defense in the EPL, at 22 goals conceded. They have only scored 14, which is 19th in the league. Newcastle hardly score any goals, so the fact that they are above the relegation zone means that defense is their main weapon. They are away from home, and playing the team in form. We all know how organized Rafa can be, and that he will be playing for a draw. They will be as defensive as possible.

I don't think we have any new injury concerns. I believe Keita is fine, just an impact injury as per Jurgen. TAA should be good to go. Newcastle have a few knocks. I expect their team will be at full strength.

The game in my opinion is going to be attack vs defense, so we should have the lions share of the possession. We will most likely field the most attacking lineup possible, taking into account that rotation is a definite, especially with a big game 3 days later. I am 99% sure that Shaqiri will start, I also think Sturridge will start, and I have a funny feeling that Camacho might start if TAA is not 100%.

I think the most attacking lineup we can field, while taking rotation into account, will be (yes it looks very strange):

Code:
            Alisson
Camacho   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
       Henderson      Gini
              Lallana
        Shaqiri     Sturridge

Code:
            Alisson
TTA   Lovren     Virgil   Moreno
               Fabinho
      Gini      Keita    Lallana
          Shaqiri     Sturridge

It's about time that we scored lots of goals, so 4-0 is my prediction. Just keep the pressure on all our rivals as it seems to have worked wonders.
Why would Camacho start when we have a perfectly good RB in Clyne in the wings waiting to play?
 

nobluff

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Why would Camacho start when we have a perfectly good RB in Clyne in the wings waiting to play?
Much more attaching player than Clyne. I think TAA or Camacho will play, and Clyne rested for Arsenal who have a much better attacking threat, in fact they have scored more goals that us, they just can’t keep them out nearly as well.
 

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Again, don't care who starts and how we got it, but 3 points is what we need. We have to make sure we go through this holiday season without dropping a single point and up against City in Jan. That would be interesting visit to the Etihad.

Again Rafa, don't you try messing up our plans! Don't you fucking dare to be a fucking hero!
 

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This season is becoming like a Stephen King novel - many subtle sub-plots developing. I have a feeling that Mo has one eye on Aubameyang and is thinking "Oh, really?!". He'll want at least two against Newcastle.
It may also be the best time to rest Robbo, as I can't see Moreno having to defend too much in that match.
Thirdly, is this the match for Keita to find his Premier League feet? IMO he's shown that the quality is there - he just needs the confidence to feel that he can own a midfield. May also be an opportunity to work on his midfield partnership with Fabinho.
 

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This season is becoming like a Stephen King novel - many subtle sub-plots developing. I have a feeling that Mo has one eye on Aubameyang and is thinking "Oh, really?!". He'll want at least two against Newcastle.
It may also be the best time to rest Robbo, as I can't see Moreno having to defend too much in that match.
Thirdly, is this the match for Keita to find his Premier League feet? IMO he's shown that the quality is there - he just needs the confidence to feel that he can own a midfield. May also be an opportunity to work on his midfield partnership with Fabinho.
I fear Keïta was intentionally and successfully roughed up by Wolves, setting a trend we'll see a few times in the next months. Sorry to be on such a downer in our situation, but think we'll have to focus on Naby having more impact in CL games and/or the run in. Still won't be a bad first season for us by any means.
 

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I would start Keita. He was bullied by players and crowd against Wolves, and needs to learn quickly that you can't react and you can't let this get to you. Anfield against Newcastle should rehabilitate him quickly, a decent performance and a goal would help. Play Clyne at RB and maybe Moreno at LB. Hendo on the bench with Fabinho given another bedding in and familiarizing game.
Gini should play.
I would bench Firmino and start Shaqiri up top.
3 points
Keep the pressure on.
 

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I think we are due for a lot of changes to rest up for Arsenal and Man City so I'd go with:

Alisson

Clyne/TAA...….Lovren......Vvd…..Moreno

Henderson

Gini...…….Keita

Shaqiri.....Origi.....Mane

Salah and Bobby to come on if they are needed.
 

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Just finished breakfast for the family, eggs, flour and milk mixed up then fried. Batter and scorch which is ironic as that’s exactly what we’ll do to Newcastle.
 



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Alisson
Clyne Lovren Fabinho Moreno
Milner Wijnaldum Lallana
Shaqiri
Sturridge + (one of MS RF SM)

Bring on VvD at halftime for Lovren - so both get a small rest in this game.
 

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I think we are due for a lot of changes to rest up for Arsenal and Man City so I'd go with:

Alisson

Clyne/TAA...….Lovren......Vvd…..Moreno

Henderson

Gini...…….Keita

Shaqiri.....Origi.....Mane

Salah and Bobby to come on if they are needed.

If City can lose to Crystal Palace, then we can lose to Newcastle. No complacency..start the strongest side i.e. Salah & Firmino, get ahead and then think about bringing on Origi.

And as for leaving VVD out ........:shocked:
 

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We should see some changes for this, with Arsenal two days later. God knows what the team will be, but I imagine Klopp will figure out his team for the 29th and work back from there.

I expect Clyne, Moreno, Shaqiri and Sturridge to start.
 
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