Riyad Mahrez (RW) Leicester City

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Long queue of people thinking a wage cap is a good idea. Wonder why it hasn't happened? :think:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/09/uefa-ceferin-smaller-leagues-talk-wage-cap
Really close to impossible to do under EU law, both competition and labour. To get there, the clubs would end up having to concede massively on many other issues with the players, because all things being equal a salary cap is essentially socialism for the benefit of wealthy owners (ie. the NFL). Even in the unlikely event that all of the major European clubs could agree on that, might still not pass legal tests.
 

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City have made a £65m bid + a currently unknown player in exchange according to SSN...
 

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Leicester going to have one unhappy player on their hands, when they turn that bid down, bet he doesn't play for them tonight.
 

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Its different for the buyout clause in Spain as its the player who is buying out his contract. Barca didn't want to sell neymar so the only way that PSG could get the deal through is if the buyout clause was met in full
Or we could just say no, unless a minimum upfront $x amount is paid.Just because there is no buyout clause,there is no legal obligation on us to sell.Less in fact, as the buyout clause guarantees the sale at that amount.No,the reason we sold without a big upfront payment,if that is what we did,can only be because,in the end the club wanted to sell.Wanted to sell so badly that they accepted even a low upfront payment over not getting the sale done.Bucks over cups.
 

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Really close to impossible to do under EU law, both competition and labour. To get there, the clubs would end up having to concede massively on many other issues with the players, because all things being equal a salary cap is essentially socialism for the benefit of wealthy owners (ie. the NFL). Even in the unlikely event that all of the major European clubs could agree on that, might still not pass legal tests.
It's a much smaller sport with less global reach but I think Rugby League operates a salary cap - but rather than place the limit on individuals, it creates a limit to the total wages that a club can pay.

I'm no expert, but I think it needs considering.
 

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Why is this still open?

Maybe if we lost last night. lol
Well, he isn't coming to LFC, but it is an interesting transaction to watch in the market. Leicester are maybe 2 wins away from safety, so they are essentially being asked to put a price tag on more or less tossing away the rest of the season.
 

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As per the January thread, it seems he is staying, until the summer at least. And for those wondering why we didn't get involved, apparently Leicester were after a package worth £95m! Yeah, no, we're good thanks...
95M is another one of those post-Neymar numbers that is being tested in this window, and it seems even City has a sense that valuations have gone haywire. Leicester probably should have tried harder to move him in August.
 
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It's a much smaller sport with less global reach but I think Rugby League operates a salary cap - but rather than place the limit on individuals, it creates a limit to the total wages that a club can pay.

I'm no expert, but I think it needs considering.
The link I posted earlier says that is how the cap is operating in leagues 1 & 2. Max 45% \ 55% of turnover on wages, effectively to keep the clubs going concerns.

The PL seem immune to any concerns but imo are far more exposed, which is why I think the Sanchez, Ozil etc deals are getting us closer to one of the really big teams possibly failing.

Imo FSG have done well, keeping wages sensible and us debt free whilst still competitive. Some fans hate them (?) but they presumably weren't here to see how close Hick and Git took us to the precipice.
 

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The link I posted earlier says that is how the cap is operating in leagues 1 & 2. Max 45% \ 55% of turnover on wages, effectively to keep the clubs going concerns.

The PL seem immune to any concerns but imo are far more exposed, which is why I think the Sanchez, Ozil etc deals are getting us closer to one of the really big teams possibly failing.

Imo FSG have done well, keeping wages sensible and us debt free whilst still competitive. Some fans hate them (?) but they presumably weren't here to see how close Hick and Git took us to the precipice.
I sometimes get confused about which rule is UEFA imposed and which is from the PL, but one of the two at least has a rule in place about year on year increases in the overall wage bill. It isnt perfect but it is at least a small way to control salary inflation, and something we have seen teams have to plan around.
 

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95M is another one of those post-Neymar numbers that is being tested in this window, and it seems even City has a sense that valuations have gone haywire. Leicester probably should have tried harder to move him in August.
Ashes in my mouth for saying it, but I have a massive amount of respect for them (of all people!) for walking away from not only this, but the demands of a certain Chilean now plying his trade on the red side of their town. A large swath of their fans are a bit on the scumbag side, but as an organization with the youth development setup they have, their commitment to playing the game properly... hats off to 'em.
 
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£95m for Mahrez? Even £60m + is sounding crazy. Not sure Citeh walked away for the right reasons, even they are constrained by FFP and how much they can fiddle their books with UAE sponsorship deals. Laporte was massive and they spent crazy amounts last window without recouping much.

@Limiescouse the link says "Football League clubs are working under what might be described as a soft wage cap, the Salary Cost Management Protocol, whereby clubs in League One must spend no more than 60% of turnover on wages and clubs in League Two no more than 55%. At a higher level, Uefa’s own financial fair play system limits the amount of financial losses any club can accrue over a given period."

Be interesting to see Arsenal, Utds and Citehs wage bills after this window and what they look like in six months after Pogba and all the rest get their pay rises. We've totally gone the other way getting rid of top earners in Coutinho and Studge.
 
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Ashes in my mouth for saying it, but I have a massive amount of respect for them (of all people!) for walking away from not only this, but the demands of a certain Chilean now plying his trade on the red side of their town. A large swath of their fans are a bit on the scumbag side, but as an organization with the youth development setup they have, their commitment to playing the game properly... hats off to 'em.
All funded by a state that tortures people and is involved in brutal proxy wars and terrorism.
 

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£95m for Mahrez? Even £60m + is sounding crazy. Not sure Citeh walked away for the right reasons, even they are constrained by FFP and how much they can fiddle their books with UAE sponsorship deals. Laporte was massive and they spent crazy amounts last window without recouping much.

@Limiescouse the link says "Football League clubs are working under what might be described as a soft wage cap, the Salary Cost Management Protocol, whereby clubs in League One must spend no more than 60% of turnover on wages and clubs in League Two no more than 55%. At a higher level, Uefa’s own financial fair play system limits the amount of financial losses any club can accrue over a given period."

Be interesting to see Arsenal, Utds and Citehs wage bills after this window and what they look like in six months after Pogba and all the rest get their pay rises. We've totally gone the other way getting rid of top earners in Coutinho and Studge.
Note that PL clubs are not covered by the Football League regulations.
 

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It's a much smaller sport with less global reach but I think Rugby League operates a salary cap - but rather than place the limit on individuals, it creates a limit to the total wages that a club can pay.

I'm no expert, but I think it needs considering.
You are correct. A salary cap applies to English and French (Catalan Dragons) rugby league teams competing in the Super League. Currently it's £1.825m and will rise to £2.1m by 2020. A Salary cap is also applied in Australia (National Rugby League).

Salary caps also apply in Rugby Union. Currently the top leagues in England, Wales, France, Australia and New Zealand all have salary caps.

It would appear that EU law provides little or no barrier to salary caps.

However, while I agree that a salary cap would be a good thing in principle, in practice I think it would prove to be a nightmare trying to apply it uniformly across all leagues that have teams that compete in the Champions League and Europa League.

And if it wasn't applied uniformly across all leagues in Europe it would place the leagues that rigorously applied the cap at a natural disadvantage compared to those that didn't.
 

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@Arminius Yes, obviously, or presumably we'd have a soft wage cap as well! The point is they are in place in the lower leagues and can be made to work. The PL is such a money pit there is no interesting in introducing it.

.....however, while I agree that a salary cap would be a good thing in principle, in practice I think it would prove to be a nightmare trying to apply it uniformly across all leagues that have teams that compete in the Champions League and Europa League.

And if it wasn't applied uniformly across all leagues in Europe it would place the leagues that rigorously applied the cap at a natural disadvantage compared to those that didn't.
Maybe you could have an uplift if you were in European competition but it would get messy.

If you want a rule across Europe that Guardian article explains the big impact of tax, with eg: Lichtenstein could offer less high wages but at a minimal income tax, so it would be much more attractive.

As it stands its a race to offer the most ridiculous wages and its got to end messily. Fans are paying for it one way or another.
 

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As it stands its a race to offer the most ridiculous wages and its got to end messily. Fans are paying for it one way or another.
As long as 15 years ago I was priced out of a division one game between Wednesday and, well it doesn't matter, someone shit. I grew up where prices were such that if a game was on and I could get to it and tickets were available I'd go, regardless of what ground and who was playing whom. Then as a grown adult with a good job and a fair amount of money in my pocket I turned my nose up at going to the one game of the year I had access to because I just didnt want to spend the 30 quid or whatever it was (plus the certain 20 quid in tea/bovril I'd have to have spent to keep me warm in Sheffield in Dec).
 

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All funded by a state that tortures people and is involved in brutal proxy wars and terrorism.
Is that a country that has / had a policy of 'rendition' to 'black sites' and which has supplied finance and weapons to 'freedom fighters' in various countries?
 

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Bullet dodged by all concerned. No wonder we contacted Leicester to tell them we had no interest in the player.
 

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I feel a little sorry for him, personally. Not alot, but it is there. He has given everything to that club from promotion, survival, title winners and then a good run in the Champions League. For a club like Leicester that is absolutely incredible but with respect, unlikely to replicate itself.

They got him for an absolute pittance at the time. He has made his intention to leave to pursue his career at a club playing at a level he feels he should be at clear in the past and they kept him. He got his head down and has played well and now a club has come along offering a vast sum that is very fair value and Leicester want a package around £95 million? That is just plain greed and avarice imho. What could they possibly gain? They're not going to break into the top four, top six is a stretch, they're not fighting the drop. I suppose they're in the Cup but still. This is no way a scenario that is going to weaken them significantly enough to demand a premium for hampering their chances and for not being able to find a replacement. I just find it spiteful.

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@[email protected] it's pretty clear you've not dealt with Thai tycoons.... :-)

They don't get to where they are at that part of the world without certain level of greed and extreme ruthlessness when it comes to treating your own employees. Mahrez to them is one of their employees that is also an asset if they were to cash in on him, and even if he started to throw his toys out the pram, they won't budge. That's their level of ruthlessness these people posses. They aren't looking at which competition they are in and what have you, they just look at it as if you want my player, pay up... and since you are my player shut the fuck up.
 

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@[email protected] it's pretty clear you've not dealt with Thai tycoons.... :-)

They don't get to where they are at that part of the world without certain level of greed and extreme ruthlessness when it comes to treating your own employees. Mahrez to them is one of their employees that is also an asset if they were to cash in on him, and even if he started to throw his toys out the pram, they won't budge. That's their level of ruthlessness these people posses. They aren't looking at which competition they are in and what have you, they just look at it as if you want my player, pay up... and since you are my player shut the fuck up.
Maybe so Ed, but the next time any transfer is made into the club, agents and players will not forget that attitude.
 



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Players maybe.... but agents? Nah. These guys love greedy owners....
I was thinking more in terms of attracting up and coming talent as well as relatively established players who should have a high ceiling. Like it not, they will be looking to make the grade and move upwards if they are an undoubted success like Mahrez. Seeing such a stonewalling and uncooperative attitude within the club ranks is going to give pause to some.

I think thats where an attitude like ours with a manager like Klopp will trump such stodginess. As frustrating as it is to us fans, it also opens the door to being able to attract players that can go on to be world class as they know that by performing they have an avenue to success. Its a give and take until we can become that end product as a Club ourselves.
 

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I was thinking more in terms of attracting up and coming talent as well as relatively established players who should have a high ceiling. Like it not, they will be looking to make the grade and move upwards if they are an undoubted success like Mahrez. Seeing such a stonewalling and uncooperative attitude within the club ranks is going to give pause to some.

I think thats where an attitude like ours with a manager like Klopp will trump such stodginess. As frustrating as it is to us fans, it also opens the door to being able to attract players that can go on to be world class as they know that by performing they have an avenue to success. Its a give and take until we can become that end product as a Club ourselves.
I agree but will point out that as a club that avenue to success could well be with us. We are one of the few clubs with a strong enough foundation to be one of the mega clubs if we start competing for and winning major honours. Meaning the right player strong enough to help us make that happen potentially never has a reason to move on.
 

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I was thinking more in terms of attracting up and coming talent as well as relatively established players who should have a high ceiling. Like it not, they will be looking to make the grade and move upwards if they are an undoubted success like Mahrez. Seeing such a stonewalling and uncooperative attitude within the club ranks is going to give pause to some.

I think thats where an attitude like ours with a manager like Klopp will trump such stodginess. As frustrating as it is to us fans, it also opens the door to being able to attract players that can go on to be world class as they know that by performing they have an avenue to success. Its a give and take until we can become that end product as a Club ourselves.
They sold Kante and Drinkwater at least if not another from that title winning team and were ready to let Vardy go to the arse.Its about the timing and the quality and position,for those reasons they are right to ask big money for Mahrez as we did for cuntinho.You think 90 mill is way too high but 60 is about right but cunty is not 2.5 × the player Mahrez is in my book.I think 90 mill in the current inflated market is about right.
 

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I was thinking more in terms of attracting up and coming talent as well as relatively established players who should have a high ceiling. Like it not, they will be looking to make the grade and move upwards if they are an undoubted success like Mahrez. Seeing such a stonewalling and uncooperative attitude within the club ranks is going to give pause to some.

I think thats where an attitude like ours with a manager like Klopp will trump such stodginess. As frustrating as it is to us fans, it also opens the door to being able to attract players that can go on to be world class as they know that by performing they have an avenue to success. Its a give and take until we can become that end product as a Club ourselves.
That description has us as a stepping stone and no mistake,sure that is what we have become.No trophies there.As soon as the team is approaching success you sell your best player abd boom back to the drawing board.
 
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