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Rodolfo Borrell promoted, Alex Inglethorpe appointed

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Several sources (James Pearce, Daily Mail etc) are now saying Rodolfo Borrell is set to be promoted to Technical director the role Jose Segura left a couple of months ago. This is a big relief, given there were rumors he would follow him out the door. :cheers:

In his place we are appointing Alex Inglethorpe, the Spurs youth team coach since 2006 (after managing Exeter for 2 years) Cant say I know anything about him, but wish him luck.
 

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welcome, good luck.

wheres our fucking first teamers?

before ingelthorpe came in the academy was going gangbusters, producing the likes of sterling suso and wisdom to name but a few, however, since ingelthorpe started at LFC, name me one player, one fucking player, thats gotten near the first team that hes produced?
 

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[font=Helvetica Neue'][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Welcome to Alex Inglethorpe. Hopefully he'll be able to build on Borrell's outstanding work, and keep the high standards he has set.[/background][/font]

welcome, good luck.

wheres our fucking first teamers?

before ingelthorpe came in the academy was going gangbusters, producing the likes of sterling suso and wisdom to name but a few, however, since ingelthorpe started at LFC, name me one player, one fucking player, thats gotten near the first team that hes produced?
You're right, mate, Inglethorpe must go. We have had enough patience with him.


If he has already been able to join Melwood that is... ;-)
 

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Spurs youth teams are pretty solid. So I'm guessing this is a good thing. More importantly though Borrell is staying.
 

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From what I understand he was very successful at Spurs and highly regarded. He got the Spurs kids playing a pretty good passing game..

Livermore, Caulker, Townsend, some names most people are now familiar with...but also some other young players breaking into the 1st team: Button, Kane, Fredericks, Mason, Pritchard.

And an older success story of his, Jamie Mackie back as a youngster at Leatherhead. The big highlight for everyone here, I'm sure :)
 

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welcome, good luck.

wheres our fucking first teamers?

before ingelthorpe came in the academy was going gangbusters, producing the likes of sterling suso and wisdom to name but a few, however, since ingelthorpe started at LFC, name me one player, one fucking player, thats gotten near the first team that hes produced?
It's worse than that... I don't think our youth teams have even won a single game since he's been here.
Alex Ingelthorpe out!
 

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i didnt actually know that little fact, i know that winning isnt everything at youth level, but fuck me, not even a single fucking game?

how many goals have we scored?
 

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I wasn't aware of any rumours of Borrell leaving other than silly internet speculation.

This seems like a smart move on the face of it. when does he start?
 

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He was in charge of the spurs next gen team on Tuesday night that beat Barca 4-1 away, quiet impressive to say the least. But it means he definetly hasnt started here yet although with Barrett and Pearce both saying it it's a fair bet it's happening.
 

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Pardon my Naivety, what exactly is a technical director?
Glad to hear Rodolfo is staying.! :cheers:
 

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Pardon my Naivety, what exactly is a technical director?
Glad to hear Rodolfo is staying.! :cheers:
My understanding is instead of being a coach, he will now essentially runs the academy. So he would be in charge of everything from youth team scouts to directing the emphasis our coaches have with the youngsters.

The speculation him leaving ILLOK happened before Segura left, with return to Barca touted by Buxton. As it was known that Segura was a large part of why he came to Liverpool, when he left many people naturally thought it could spell his end too. I think a couple of Liverpool reporters speculated this in twitter (some one like Smith or Barrett etc). Perhaps silly Internet rumors but at the same time no one would have been surprised if he had left.
 

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My understanding is instead of being a coach, he will now essentially runs the academy. So he would be in charge of everything from youth team scouts to directing the emphasis our coaches have with the youngsters.
Youth Technical Director, or Technical Director in general? If there is no youth tag on it, perhaps the job is larger than just handling youth scouting and style of play policy?
 

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Youth Technical Director, or Technical Director in general? If there is no youth tag on it, perhaps the job is larger than just handling youth scouting and style of play policy?
Which would be puzzling as that was essentially what Segura left over as it wasn't a position that would be available. Maybe after working with Rodolfo for awhile Rodgers has learned to trust and respect him and now wants to work more with him whereas Segura had same pedigree as Rodgers nearly and was a (talented) stranger making demands as Rodgers was walking through the door?
 

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Youth Technical Director, or Technical Director in general? If there is no youth tag on it, perhaps the job is larger than just handling youth scouting and style of play policy?
The name tag does not generally define the responsibilities of the post in these type of higher level designations - i believe.

All the best to both Rodolfo and Alex.

This means that BR has more time to spend with the first team where his services are actually required rather than youth.
 

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The name tag does not generally define the responsibilities of the post in these type of higher level designations - i believe.

All the best to both Rodolfo and Alex.

This means that BR has more time to spend with the first team where his services are actually required rather than youth.
Id actually say about a third (at least) of our best performers in the first team are our youth players that Rodgers knew what they could offer and that he could use and rely on them because he worked so much with the youth team. Do you really think he should of concentrated his time and efforts on Downing and Cole over Sterling and Suso for instance?
 

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Although I cant say for certain, I imagine he is simply filling his role which was vacated by Segura 2 months ago.

This is an old article, on what Segura use to do, and insight into the role.

Much has been said about the excellent job that Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell have been doing at the Liverpool academy yet, at the same time, very little is known about the actual strategy behind their work. Everyone has been saying that they've brought over Barcelona's model without knowing what that model is about outside of vague concepts.

Yet there is now more clarity thanks largely to a presentation made by Pep Segura at a football conference organised by the Catalun INEF (a physical education programme) and RCD Espanyol.

What follows is a summary of Segura's talk, translated from the blog of well known Catalan writer Martin Perarnau and presented with his permission.




The 'target' of the Liverpool Academy is twofold: to implement a common style of play in teams through all categories, and to provide players for the first team. When Rafa Benitez hired Pep Segura as head of the academy, Liverpool FC had three areas that were working completely seperately from each other:

- Scouting
- Technical Staff
- Sports Science (doctors, physios, trainers)

The target was to implement an integrated model of the style that currently exists in many Spanish clubs, so that all departments work in the same direction.

The Liverpool training centre consists of four large age groups:

1) Year 1 > Playing games, technical skills
2) Year 2 + Children + Cadets > technical skills, tactical work starts, physical work starts
3) Youth + Amateur Year 1 > technical skills, tactical work, physical work, psychological work
4) Amateur + Reserves > technical skills, tactical work, physical work, psychological work

The second group participates in the Under-15 Championship, the third group includes the U-17s and U-18s, and the fourth group plays in the Under-20s tournament and the Reserves. This team has been included in Pep Segura's area of responsiblity during the season just ended. The Academy focuses on organising the boys' training, education, and family accommodation in Liverpool.

Pep Segura's Academy work is divided into five major areas:

1) Facilities
2) Selection of players
3) Coaches
4) Program (Syllabus)
5) Management of the player

For reasons of time, he could not detail each of these areas, but he did mention aspects of several of them.

Facilities
LFC have twelve training camps, ten on natural grass and two with artificial turf, plus one indoor for winter work. The facilities, according to Segura, are excellent, and not more physical infrastructure is needed.

Selection of players
Scouting is the responsibility of the department. Keep in mind that English law is very strict. Some examples:

- Players up to 14 years can't be signed beyond a radius of 150 kilometers from the club (Liverpool competing in the same environment as Manchester United, City, Everton, and so forth)
- The player is owned by the player’s home club /first club forever, this is the main reason why any price tag rises up.
- You can't sign players outside the community (150km) until they are 16 years old
- All games U-16 and U-18 are played on Saturdays at 11 am and from other categories, Sundays at 11 am This avoids the coaches come to watch opposing players of interest. Another peculiarity: the U-15 takes place on Wednesdays, which is almost unfeasible to train more than two days a week

Liverpool work the Academy for sporting and economic necessity and because "we want to work with our players, but do so with our style of play." Segura found, after some time, Liverpool was repeating a pattern that he had already lived in the Barcelona: "Most youth players came from a particular geographical area and, especially, of a particular school."

For scouting the club uses three essential parameters: selection from very young age, constant monitoring of all of them, and determining the precise moment of joining the club. The relevant department raises three questions: a) What is the player profile? B/ Is player for Liverpool; c) will he make us grow as a team?

We analyze four factors:
- Technical: We appreciate the passing game (passing game)
- Tactical: Your ability to play without the ball
- Psychological: Your willingness to be professional
- Physical: We value speed, strength and size (English football)

Teams from different categories are structured in the form of a double pyramid

- Between 8 and 11: 3 teams per category
- Between 12 and 14 years: 2 teams per category
- After 15 years: 1 team per category

In the two years since Pep Segura as technical director, the Academy has doubled the number of players at his disposal. In the selection process, all are subject to a battery of physical and technical tests. These tests are also done to those at the Academy itself at sever instances each year to establish internal and external comparisons.

Liverpool FC have identified three types of targets in the catchment:
- Focus A: 14. Local Players
- Focus B: 16. The 2 best in England plus 2 best foreign
- Focus C: 18. Best English and / or foreign to compensate for the shortcomings identified in the Academy

Program
"The program is a great tool to implement and not just having a good criteria for selection of players. It's the idea and style that make an organization strong." Segura says an idea of strategic thinking is needed and from then on a basic understanding of principles of play and style, and an idea to work efficiently and consistent with the philosophy of the club.

Segura says in this regard that the success of Spanish football are based on working with the Academy, which has created an excellent selection pool of players and it has put Spain at the top of European youth football, followed by France. However, he also believes that there si something wrong with Spanish football since that success does not correspond with the actual number of youth players who are actually getting a chance at senior level.

The technical program of the Academy is based on a 4-2-3-1 system of play implemented by Rafa Benitez "although I would have preferred a 4-3-3, but England has historically used the 4-4-2 and we had to adapt." In the case of Liverpool, "using it as a key tool because our style is the passing game, where os our greatest impact".

Stratification of training is as follows:
- 8 to 12 years: 35 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 3
- 13 to 15 years: 35 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 4-5
- 16 to 18 years: 40 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 7-8
- 19 to 21 years: 42 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 7-8

The structure of a typical training session is as follows:
1) Warm up
2) Technical skills: especially in the passing game and to be offered before the pass
3) Tactical skills: Automating offensive and defensive work, possession, Gale Related (reduced situations: from 1 to 1-5 against 5)
4) Part games: Application of the stuff they've worked on
5) End section: Gym, pitch work and stretching

Automation: Work in all phases, from starting to move the ball in defense to the last pass, creating a meaning and order of play. "The small details are the ones that make them grow as players: body position, speed when striking the ball, the timing of his move at the right time ...." Games of position, with special incidence in the circulation at high speed, knowing the positions of the companions are defined and known.

Recordings: The Academy records every game and every practice session with a very interesting point added: they also record the coaches' voices giving advice during sessions. It was a research conducted by the Liverpool University who took up the oral communication, which has yielded great results: "We have seen the deficiencies of the coaches and have corrected the messages. Some always corrected the same concepts and not others more important, or were fixated with some players."

Finally, for Pep Segura the criteria to improve tactics are:
- Everyone must do the same work
- We must be inspired by street football
- Street football is gone and we have to work hard to make up for it
- We must use rectangular surfaces to work on depth and breadth
- We must always breathe offensive spirit
- Explain to children the meaning of 4-2-3-1 to understand it
- Develop the game from the defensive line
- Teaching the collective game based on our system
- Emphasize creativity: the English player is disciplined and easy to learn automation and order, but Spanish is more creative and we must move in this direction
- The Game Related is difficult to apply to players and coaches because they are awaiting orders. When they do receive it, they work hard, but they suffer when they have to bring own creativity


http://www.aliverpoo...egy-behind.html
 

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Thanks for that ISMF. One thing picked up on is we are actually seeing those who have had the least amount of exposure to the methods Segura and Rodolfo implemented, those that came through the final few years not the whole process. Should mean in future the lads that were 12 or under when the duo arrived and gone through the whole experience should be the most technically proficient LFC have ever produced. Also seems Rodgers preferred tactical shape and style is a better fit than Rafas was which sounds good.
 

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Interesting insight. Pep Segura makes it sound like englishmen play football like cavemen compared to the spanish intellectuals.

I heard rumors he wanted Roberto martinez to be appointed instead. Maybe he probably applied for the job.

The biggest paradox here is that Rafa adopted the british approach very well. Segura wanted to bring back the spanish way from the ground up.
 

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Id actually say about a third (at least) of our best performers in the first team are our youth players that Rodgers knew what they could offer and that he could use and rely on them because he worked so much with the youth team. Do you really think he should of concentrated his time and efforts on Downing and Cole over Sterling and Suso for instance?
But working with both youth players and first team is going to take so much energy/time out of him.

Its not like he is not going to look at the youth team at all now. The youth team players are going to get promoted through a proper channel i believe.

When you are at a higher level you are not going to do everything by yourself. You hire the experts that can get the job done for you meanwhile you can focus on your own job and supervise them.

His first and foremost job is the first team and not youth set up. There were and there are quality people working on the youth set up already who gave us the Sterling and Suso. Let them bring some more Sterlings and susos to them first team and let him focus on integrating those into the first team.
 

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But working with both youth players and first team is going to take so much energy/time out of him.

Its not like he is not going to look at the youth team at all now. The youth team players are going to get promoted through a proper channel i believe.

When you are at a higher level you are not going to do everything by yourself. You hire the experts that can get the job done for you meanwhile you can focus on your own job and supervise them.

His first and foremost job is the first team and not youth set up. There were and there are quality people working on the youth set up already who gave us the Sterling and Suso. Let them bring some more Sterlings and susos to them first team and let him focus on integrating those into the first team.
Disagree its going fine why change it? The young players, the integration of them and the work Rodgers is doing with them is one of then few bright sparks. Unless Rodgers working more the the senior players is going to turn some defenders or midfielders into strikers there is very little that can be done, he has more chance of fixing our first team problems by working with the young players even more and having Morgan, Yesil or Pacheco as the next to break through. The defensive frailities will only become better given time same with the passing and moving. Its goals we need more than anything else!
 

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Disagree its going fine why change it?
You said it is goals we need.... and you said it is going fine. We are in 12th spot, won 1 home game so far. We have been conceding more time than 12 other teams, and the only team that concede more goals than us on top of us is Fulham. So it is not exactly a false position we are in at the moment, so to suggest that it is all fine and Rodgers should carry on with his work in the youth team is just crazy. Not scoring is not the only problem we are facing, conceding is also our issue. If a man with experience like Rafa crashed and burned for trying to handle too much, after 6 seasons as our manager, you think a novice like Rodgers would fare much better?
 

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You said it is goals we need.... and you said it is going fine. We are in 12th spot, won 1 home game so far. We have been conceding more time than 12 other teams, and the only team that concede more goals than us on top of us is Fulham. So it is not exactly a false position we are in at the moment, so to suggest that it is all fine and Rodgers should carry on with his work in the youth team is just crazy. Not scoring is not the only problem we are facing, conceding is also our issue. If a man with experience like Rafa crashed and burned for trying to handle too much, after 6 seasons as our manager, you think a novice like Rodgers would fare much better?
We have only conceded 3 goals in our last 4 league games. How else is he going to get us points unless he gets us scoring more goals? Clean sheets only guarantee you 1 point scoring more goals than the opposition gets you 3 points. And I never believed the whole thing with Rafa I think it was more he had a winning formula and it changed too much in the summer.
 

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We have only conceded 3 goals in our last 4 league games. How else is he going to get us points unless he gets us scoring more goals? Clean sheets only guarantee you 1 point scoring more goals than the opposition gets you 3 points. And I never believed the whole thing with Rafa I think it was more he had a winning formula and it changed too much in the summer.
Alonso is the only change in that summer my friend. I think Brendan Rodgers is a firm believer of not conceding, hence his possession game. I believe he said if the opponent don't get the ball 70% of the time, then they have less chance of scoring and winning the game. More goals surely will help us, but again, our manager today is not a manager that throws the kitchen sink out there to outscore opponent. Look at the amount of goals his all conquering Swansea scored.

What I am saying is, if Rodolfo got the job and relief Rodgers from managing the technical bit of the youth setup I would be happy. If he was too involved in the youth setup, I won't be too please as his job is to make the first team better. If he doesn't he won't see how the young boys he is looking at play for him. Won't last that long.
 

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Speaking of promotions, it looks like Steve Clarke himself wanted the top job.

http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-chelsea-fc/2012/11/15/82029-32243172/