The Everton Cup! Summer Transfer Game - What is your plan?

The winner of The Everton Cup is

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JustHitMyHead

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Out:
Simon Mignolet (31) exp 2021 £8m
Loris Karius (25) exp 2021 £5m
Dejan Lovren (29) exp 2021 £20m
Alberto Moreno (26) exp 2019 £0
Connor Randall (23) £0 exp 2019 (HG)
Rafa Camacho (18) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Nathaniel Clyne (28) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Adam Lallana (30) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Xerdan Shaqiri (27) exp 2023 £25m
Ryan Kent (22) exp unknown £2m (HG)
Sheyi Ojo (21) exp unknown £2.5m (HG)
Marko Grujic (23) exp 2023 £25m
Daniel Sturridge (29) exp 2019 £0 (HG)
Divock Origi (24) exp 2020 £10m
Danny Ings (25) transfer agreed 20m(HG)
Out Total: £147.5
Plus Henry's funds: £147.5m + £100m = £247.5m

In Total:
Julian Brandt: AM, LW, RW: Adopting Kopstar's price of £21m
Kai Havertz: AM, CM, RW (TM price = €65m = £55.8m; 3 years) = 55.8 * 1.4 = £78.12m
Luka Jovic: ST (TM price = €55m = £47.21; 2 years) = £47.21 * 1.15 = £54.3m but more realistically £60m
- We do sometimes struggle against teams that park the bus. Having a really great finisher could really transform this team.
Nordi Mukiele: CB/RB (TM price = €14m = £12.02m; 4 years = £12.02 * 1.6 = £19.23m but more realistically £25m
- Had a strong season at Leipzig playing as a CB but equally good as a RB. A really top young, ball-playing French defender
Lloyd Kelly: LB/CB (TM price = €2m = £1.72m; 3 years = £1.72 * 1.4 = £2.4m but more realistically £15m
- Let's grab these good, young English defenders
Max Aarons: RB/LB (TM price = €5m = £4.29m; 4 years) = £4.29m * 1.6 = £7 but more realistically £15m
- Let's grab these good, young English defenders
Adrian: GK (Free, contract exp 2019) = 0
In Total: £215

I'd loan out Wilson and Brewster to an expected lower half PL team... they need to prove they can make it at Liverpool (no free rides). If they perform well, we can make the HARD CHOICE then and see whether they deserve a position among our attacking players. I don't believe in giving anyone a free pass.

This would leave us with a crazily stacked team.


Alisson
TAA Gomez VVD Robertson
Havertz Fabinho
Firmino
Salah Jovic Mane
Reserve:

Adrian
Aarons Mukiele Matip Kelly
Henderson Wijnaldum
Keita
Brandt ??? AOC

Question mark on whether Milner stays but we should be fine without him.
I would definitely offer him a spot but he may prefer more playing time.​

Conceivably it could make sense keeping Brewster (not loaning him out) but that could also hurt his long-term development. I believe there are enough attackers in this team that he wouldn't be missed.
 

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Edited after THAT night, I'm sorry for any confusion!

I'm going to look at the squad a little differently (which might cost me points but so be it).

My team would continue in 433.

GK: Alisson starting. Ochoa brought in as back up. Grabara as developmental/emergency 3rd option.

CB: Van Dijk and Gomez as starters. Romagnoli (who can cover LB same as Gomez covers RB) brought in to join Matip as back up. Hoever as developmental option. Fabinho as emergency cover.

FB: Alexander-Arnold and Robertson as starters. Sessegnon brought in as someone who can play both LB and winger. Camacho as developmental option. As well as Gomez and Romagnoli being defensive cover options you have Milner too. Fabinho, Henderson and other academy kids as emergency cover.

CM: Fabinho starting at the base with 2 from Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keita, Henderson and Wijnaldum in the 8 roles. Henderson and Wijnaldum the back up options at the base. Milner an option too. Shaqiri and Wilson both options for the 8 roles as well as further forward.

Wings: Salah and Mane starting but bringing Sancho and Sessegnon (when not playing LB) in gives rotation and means Mane can compete centrally with Firmino too. Origi, Shaqiri, Wilson and Brewster all options for depth here too.

Central forward: Firmino as starter. Mane as main back up. Salah and Origi as a plan B type of forward options when want to go more direct and Brewster being developed.

To Be Kept

Alisson Becker (26) exp 2024
Kamil Grabara (20) exp 2022 (U21)
Virgil Van Dijk (27) exp 2023
Joe Gomez (21) exp 2024 (HG)
Joel Matip (27) exp 2020
Ki-Jana Hoever (17) exp unknown (U21)
Trent Alexander-Arnold (20) exp 2024 (HG)
Andy Robertson (25) exp 2024
Rafa Camacho (18) exp 2020 (HG)
Fabinho (25) exp 2023
Naby Keïta (24) exp 2023
Georginio Wijnaldum (28) exp 2021
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (25) exp 2022 (HG)
Jordan Henderson (28) exp 2023 (HG)
James Milner (33) exp 2019 (HG)
Harry Wilson (22) exp 2023 (HG)
Xerdan Shaqiri (27) exp 2023
Mohamed Salah (26) exp 2023
Sadio Mané (27) exp 2023
Roberto Firmino (27) exp 2023
Divock Origi (24) exp 2020
Rhian Brewster (19) exp 2023 (HG)
12 senior none home grown players. 6 senior home grown players. Everybody else under 21.


To Be Loaned Out

Caoimhin Kelleher (20) exp 2019
Nat Philips (22) exp unknown
Adam Lewis (19) exp unknown
Curtis Jones (18) exp unknown (HG)
Ben Woodburn (19) exp 2022


To Be Sold/Released

Simon Mignolet (31) exp 2021 £8m
Loris Karius (25) exp 2021 £5m
Dejan Lovren (29) exp 2021 £20m
Alberto Moreno (26) exp 2019 £0
Connor Randall (23) exp 2019 £0 (HG)
Nathaniel Clyne (28) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Adam Lallana (30) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Ryan Kent (22) exp unknown £2m (HG)
Sheyi Ojo (21) exp unknown £2.5m (HG)
Marko Grujic (23) exp 2023 £25m
Daniel Sturridge (29) exp 2019 £0 (HG)
Danny Ings (25) transfer agreed 20m(HG)
Total sold £102.5m


To Be Bought


Guillermo Ochoa (33) exp 2019 £0m
Alessio Romagnoli (24) exp 2022 £64m
Ryan Sessegnon (18) exp 2020(?) £36m? (HG)
Jadon Sancho (19) exp 2022 £101m (HG)
Total spent £201m. Only adding 2 senior none home grown players to the previous 12 so 14 in total.



Edited; I was originally buying Callum Hudson-Odoi as well for 10 million overpriced due to buying from a rival (£35m). But I've got to keep Milner, Origi and Shaqiri after last night. Callum can wait a year.
 

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Iluvatar

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And here we go..

Retain
Goalkeepers

Alisson Becker (26) exp 2024 £96m
Simon Mignolet (31) exp 2021 £8m
Kamil Grabara (20) exp 2022 £2m

Centre backs
Virgil van Dijk (27) exp. 2023 £150m
Joe Gomez (21) £50m exp 2024 £50m (HG)
Joel Matip (27) exp 2020 £18m

Full backs
Andy Robertson (25) exp 2024 £70m
Trent Alexander-Arnold (20) exp 2024 £70m (HG)

Midfielders
Fabinho (25) exp 2023 £65m
Naby Keïta (24) exp 2023 £80m
Georginio Wijnaldum (28) exp 2021 £41m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (25) exp 2022 £50m (HG)
Jordan Henderson (28) exp 2023 £40m (HG)
James Milner (33) exp 2019 £0m (HG)

Forwards
Sadio Mané (27) exp 2023 £123m
Mohamed Salah(26) exp 2023 £216m
Roberto Firmino (27) exp 2023 £116m
Rhian Brewster (19) exp 2023 £20m (HG)

Loans
Caoimhin Kelleher (20) exp 2019 £0
Nat Philips (22) exp unknown £5m (HG)
Curtis Jones (18) exp unknown £8m

Outgoings
Loris Karius (25) exp 2021 £5m
Dejan Lovren (29) exp 2021 £20m
Alberto Moreno (26) exp 2019 £0
Connor Randall (23) £0 exp 2019 (HG)
Rafa Camacho (18) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Nathaniel Clyne (28) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Adam Lallana (30) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Xerdan Shaqiri (27) exp 2023 £25m
Ryan Kent (22) exp unknown £2m (HG)
Sheyi Ojo (21) exp unknown £2.5m (HG)
Marko Grujic (23) exp 2023 £25m
Harry Wilson (22) exp 2023 £20m (HG)
Ben Woodburn (19) exp 2022 £10m (HG)
Daniel Sturridge (29) exp 2019 £0 (HG)
Divock Origi (24) exp 2020 £10m
Danny Ings (25) transfer agreed 20m(HG)

Total - £169.5 from Sales + £100mil Henry sold his yacht fund = £269.5mil funds available.

Incomings
Max Aarons (20) exp 2023 £10mil (HG)
De Ligt (19) exp 2021 £70mil
Declan Rice (20) exp 2024 £50.4 (HG)
Ryan Sessegnon (18) exp 2020 £36m (HG)
Jadon Sancho (19) exp 2022 £101m (HG)

Total - £267.4mil (£2mil spare for my fee)

1st Team;

Alisson
Alexander Arnold** -- De Ligt -- Van Dijk -- Robertson
Fabinho -- Keita
Mane -- Firmino -- Sancho*
Salah
2nd Team;

Mignolet
Aarons* -- Gomez** -- Matip -- Sessegnon*
Henderson* -- Rice* -- Milner*
Oxlade* -- Wijanldum
Brewster*
+Grabara (to make 23!)

** = Club Trained
* = FA Trained
 

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@Mascot88 when is the deadline for this?
Also, would it be possible to put the page number on which the person submitted their team in the poll, so it can be found easily at the end?
 

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@Mascot88 when is the deadline for this?
Also, would it be possible to put the page number on which the person submitted their team in the poll, so it can be found easily at the end?
Poll closes at end of June/opening of summer window.
 

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Had a chance to think about my plans and this is what I’d do.

Firstly, I’d be looking to move on the following

Simon Mignolet (31) exp 2021 £8m
Loris Karius (25) exp 2021 £5m
Dejan Lovren (29) exp 2021 £20m*
Connor Randall (23) £0 exp 2019 (HG)
Rafa Camacho (18) exp 2020 £10m (HG)**
Nathaniel Clyne (28) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Alberto Moreno (26) exp 2019 £0
James Milner (33) exp 2019 £0m (HG)***
Adam Lallana (30) exp 2020 £10m (HG)
Ryan Kent (22) exp unknown £2m (HG)
Sheyi Ojo (21) exp unknown £2.5m (HG)
Daniel Sturridge (29) exp 2019 £0 (HG)
Danny Ings (25) transfer agreed 20m (HG)

Some notes on these

* Lovren finds himself arguably fourth choice, and will probably want to move on.
** Had high hopes for this lad, but seems to want to go and he can’t get near the team.
*** Would ideally keep Milner, but there have been signs this year that time is starting to catch up on him, and I think he’ll want to finish at Leeds.

I would also loan these

Caoimhin Kelleher (20) exp 2019 £0
Nat Philips (22) exp unknown £5m (HG)
Curtis Jones (18) exp unknown £8m
Marko Grujic (23) exp 2023 £25m
Ben Woodburn (19) exp 2022 £10m (HG)

This should raise around £85-90m to add to my budget, giving me £185-190m to spend (if I need it)

I think we’ll keep playing variations of 433/4231. The defence will remain a back four with marauding full backs. My ideal midfield is seven lads, with a DM, two all-rounders, two ball carriers, and two creative players. The front three is obvious, but we need at least one more we can rotate with.

My targets are then to add

1. An experience deputy keeper
2. A centre back
3. Some cover at full back
4. An attacking midfielder
5. A wide forward.

I would go for

1. Pepe Reina. Pepe is currently playing back up for AC Milan, and I’d see if he’d be interested in coming back. And starting his coaching career while he’s here (no offence Jon). Price £1m/nominal.

2. My choice at Centre Back would be De Ligt, like everyone else. Plays with Van Dijk for the national team, and would join a strong Dutch core at Anfield. Would be tough to get him, but he would form a trio of brilliant Centre Backs with Gomez and Van Dijk, and we’d basically never concede again. Price £73m

3. I’d go for Lloyd Kelly at Left Back (can also play CB). Young, highly rated, and would probably be content as a back up for now. Price £2m

4. My attacking midfielder would be Julian Brandt. Klopp apparently loves him, and we’ve been after him for a while. The release clause makes it a bit of a no brainer. Price £21m

5. My Forward would be David Neres. Also looked at Pepe, but I think Neres is a better fit for us and a bit more versatile. He can play left or right and would get plenty of games rotating with Salah and Mane. There is a sizeable Brazil contingent here to make him feel at home. Price £40m

Total spending = £137m

This gives us a squad of

Alisson
Reina
Grabara

Robertson
Alexander-Arnold (HG)
Kelly (HG)

Van Dijk
De Ligt
Gomez (HG)
Matip
This
Fabinho
Wijnaldum
Henderson (HG)
Keita
Oxlade-Chamberlain (HG)
Shaqiri
Brandt
Wilson (HG)

Salah
Firmino
Mane
Neres
Origi
Plus Brewster as U21

A few notes on this

- Although I don’t like it, I think it makes sense for Gomez to continue to stand in for Trent with he needs a rest. I didn’t want to bring in another RB just to sit behind Trent and basically not play.

- I’ve previously suggested selling Matip, although he has shown good form and resilience of late. He’ll be useful to keep around as Gomez needs to prove his fitness. He can leave next year for free.

- Versatility in midfield is important. Gini and Hendo can both cover Fabinho (who can also cover CB), Ox, Shaqiri, Keita and Brandt can all play further forward and would suit the attacking three in a 4231 as well as 433.

- Sell Origi? Big lad who can make a nuisance of himself and score vital goals? Nope, and don’t need the money enough to cash in. Also looks good on the left cutting in.

- I’m not buying a striker, as I firmly believe the next best player in the world at doing what Bobby Firmino does, is Sadio Mane. Salah can also play through the middle. Klopp has also promised minutes to Rhian Brewster, and clearly thinks he is special.

433 line up

Mane Firmino Salah​
Origi Brewster Neres
Brandt Ox-Chamb
Keita Shaqiri Wilson
Gini Hendo

Fabinho
Hendo/Gini
Robertson Van Dijk De Ligt Alex-Arnold
Kelly Gomez Matip Gomez
Alisson
Reina
Grabara
4231 line up

Firmino
Origi/Brewster
Brandt Mane Salah
Wilson Shaqiri Ox-Chamb Neres
Fabinho Henderson
Keita Wijnaldum
Robertson Van Dijk De Ligt Alex-Arnold
Kelly Gomez Matip Gomez
Alisson
Reina
Grabara
 

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It appears you have all over thought this. Our summer plans will consist of Klopp sitting by the phone taking calls from players begging him to allow them to come and play for Liverpool. He'll grant the wishes to 3 or 4 of them.
Feel bad for selling Origi now.. Feel foolish in fact.
 

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Can we agree that after last night this point isn’t really a concern?
Reds tinted spectacles but I've thought awhile the only 3 things stopping us buying a player are Klopp wanting them, the owning club considering a sale (and I can't think of a player Klopp would want that the owning club 100% wouldn't sell, even Mbappe could be available to Real Madrid and others this summer) and whether it's feasible to put whatever fee it is to the player. With the squad being at the stage it is and only needing tweaks I really do believe Klopp would be allowed the funds needed for anyone. I'd rewrite the rule to;

1. Keep the transfers realistic. It’s just a bit of fun, so no need to be too heavy, but obviously just keep to targets to players Klopp would realistically consider buying.
 

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If anyone entertains the idea of selling Origi I'm gonna hunt you down via the internet and kick you right in the face.
Hmmm... after that game against Barcelona, I admit I'm convinced that Origi has a future. Wow!
Unfortunately, can't edit my post now (edits are locked after a certain amount of time???).

Still I would like to see you try to hunt me down via the internet and try to kick me in the face. ;-)
No, not that I would like a kick... but I would have to give you an "A" for effort.
 

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Hmmm... after that game against Barcelona, I admit I'm convinced that Origi has a future. Wow!
Unfortunately, can't edit my post now (edits are locked after a certain amount of time???).

Still I would like to see you try to hunt me down via the internet and try to kick me in the face. ;-)
No, not that I would like a kick... but I would have to give you an "A" for effort.
Your username suggests that this is the moment you've been waiting for.
 

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How times have changed... It's 17 October 2015 where a flag in the away end read: Mein Held – My Hero... Klopp's first Liverpool game in charge - the 0-0 draw at Tottenham. How the team has progressed since that date is astounding. The Liverpool bench that day included, Adam Bodgan, Connor Randall, Kolo Toure, Joe Allen, Jordan Ibe, Jerome Sinclair and Joao Teixeira.

Since that day, transfer targets have foregone other offers in favour of a switch to Jurgen Klopp's vision at Liverpool, this summer we have the opportunity to go and buy the Worlds Elite players with few players able to resist the temptation now that is Liverpool. Unlike Klopp's first game in charge, today the problem will be transfer targets will be wondering how they’d break into Klopp's starting eleven!

My number one transfer target will be to nullify the dependency placed on Mane and Salah...

But, who to sell?
Departures
THE GOALKEEPERS
Loris KariusThe 25 year old has had a difficult start to his two-year loan at the Turkish club but recent reports of his girlfriend planning to make a permanent move to Istanbul to move in with the German, it looks he'll 'hopefully' be staying another year in Turkey Selling Fee: Loan
Adam BogdanHe's still only 31, I actually googled to confirm Bogdan was actually still a Liverpool player... On loan at Hibernian currently, will definitely be shown the door this summer.... Selling Fee: £0
THE DEFENCE
Alberto MorenoWith only 2 appearances in the Premier League this season (Cardiff City at Anfield & Burnley at Turf Moor), and James Milner preferred there when required, a return to La Liga looks to be on the cards for him this summer when his contract expires. Selling Fee: £0
Connor RandallHe's 23, for his own career it would be more beneficial for him to move on and find a new club where he'll be playing on a regular basis. Selling Fee: --
Corey WhelanAmong a number of players whose contract expires this summer, at the ago of 21, I expect him to leave this summer.. Selling Fee: --
Conor MastersonI had high hopes for this young lad, delighted when he made the bench for the first team against Manchester City in last seasons Champions League, will his contract expire or be renewed this summer? Selling Fee: --
Nathaniel Clyne "It is very frustrating. Knowing you are fit and you can go out there and play, but constantly not getting selected for the team is a bit disappointing. I would rather just go out and find another club which would give me the opportunities to play games. This is why I am here. [at Bournemouth]" With Klopp opting to play James Milner at right-back rather than Clyne against Wolves, there's little hope of Clyne warming the Anfield bench next season.... Selling Fee: £10m
Dejan LovrenHe's been injured or fallen ill this season nearly more time than the amount of times Milan Baros would be caught offside during a match... From a pelvis injury last July, returned in October - started three successive Premier League games and then suffered a concussion, then suffered a hamstring injury in January to a muscle injury in February... He missed the Champions League game against Red Star Belgrade in November due to illness, then five months later in April he did not fly with the squad to take on Porto due to illness. He turns 30 in the summer, if Mascott's valuation of 20 million is right and somebody offers that amount, I'd grab it!! Selling Fee: £20m
Rafa CamachoAnother player i'd hate to see leave, but with Wolves, Sporting CP, RB Leipzig and Benfica all linked to his signature this summer, it looks like he could be off... Selling Fee: £10m
THE MIDFIELD
Ryan KentThe Scottish PFA Young Player-of-the-Year in Scotland. Although the 22 year old still has 3 years remaining on his Liverpool contract, recent comments seem he has opened the door to an Anfield exit this summer. Selling Fee: £2m (Expecting a higher transfer fee than that tho)
THE FORWARDS
Danny IngsA player i admire following his two major knee injuries in three years, he'll join Southampton permanently at the end of his loan spell Selling Fee: £20m
Daniel SturridgeOnly 3 starts and 14 substitute appearances in the Premier League for Liverpool this season, scoring two goals and providing one assist in the process, he's out of contact at Liverpool at the end of the season with no new deal in place. Selling Fee: £0
Players to Loan :
Kamil Grabara
Curtis Jones (HG)
Sheyi Ojo (HG)
Marko Grujic
TOTAL TRANSFER FEES RECEIVED : £62
ARRIVALS
Matthijs de LigtForming an impenetrable, impermeable, impervious, im... partnership with Virgil van Dijk at club as well as country for years to come which will become worthy of its own Netflix documentary... Price £75.5m
Lloyd KellyMax Aarons, Ruben Vinagre, Lloyd Kelly or Ryan Sessegnon.... I've gone for Bristol City : Still only 20, he’s the England U20s captain, primarily a left-back, but has the added advantage of being able to play centre-back. Technically very good for his age, composed, calm on the ball, very quick. Price £4m
Reece JamesA Chelsea 19 year old right back who has just won Wigan’s Player of the Season award, skillful, exciting, the strength, the awareness, with only a year remaining on his contract at Chelsea, bring him in at right back as back up to Trent! Price £4m
Steven BergwijnHe’s made 31 appearances for PSV in the Eredivisie League this season, scoring 14 goals and sits in second place in the assists table with 12. His biggest strength is his speed, creativity, dribbling and at the age of 21, he’s a player i’d be very interested providing an alternative on the left or right wing. Price £38m
Julian Brandt Without even mentioning the release clause, at the time of writing he has scored 9 goals and provided 12 assists in all competitions as Leverkusen Price £21m

Squad (I hope I have Mascott's rules right here!!)

Goalkeepers
Alisson Becker
Simon Mignolet
Caoimhin Kelleher

Centre backs
Virgil van Dijk
Matthijs de Ligt
Joe Gomez (HG)
Joel Matip
Nat Philips (HG)

Full backs
Andy Robertson
Lloyd Kelly
Trent Alexander-Arnold (HG)
Reece James

Midfield
Fabinho
Naby Keïta
Georginio Wijnaldum
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (HG)
Jordan Henderson (HG)
James Milner (HG)
Adam Lallana (HG)
Xerdan Shaqiri
Harry Wilson (HG)

Forwards
Julian Brandt
Steven Bergwijn
Sadio Mané
Ben Woodburn (HG)
Mohamed Salah
Roberto Firmino
Divock Origi
Rhian Brewster (HG)
 
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CURRENT SQUAD
Goalkeepers
Alisson Becker –RETAIN
Simon Mignolet – retain if he wants to stay, but at the moment, it looks like he wants to leave, so I would sell him. SELL
Loris Karius – I don’t think he will recover from that night in Kyiv, at least while playing for Liverpool. SELL
Caoimhim Kelleher – LOAN
Kamil Grabara – RETAIN

Centre Backs
Virgil Van Dijk – RETAIN
Joe Gomez (HG) – RETAIN
Joel Matip – RETAIN
Dejan Lovren – with the emergence of Matip, and the possible introduction of Hoever, I would sell him this summer. Sorry Salah, but looks like you’ll need a new best mate. SELL
Nat Philips (HG) – RETAIN
Ki-Jana Hoever - RETAIN

Full Backs
Andy Robertson – RETAIN
Alberto Moreno – SELL
Trent Alexander Arnold (HG) – RETAIN
Connor Randall (HG) – SELL
Rafa Camacho (HG) – looks like he wants to play RW, and that’s probably not going to work out for him here. SELL
Nathaniel Clyne (HG) – SELL

Midfielders
Fabinho – RETAIN
Naby Keita – RETAIN
Georginio Wijnaldum – RETAIN
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (HG) – RETAIN
Jordan Henderson (HG) – RETAIN
James Milner (HG) – SELL, unfortunately, especially if Leeds get promoted.
Adam Lallana (HG) – SELL
Harry Wilson – LOAN to Premier League club.
Curtis Jones – RETAIN
Ryan Kent – SELL
Sheyi Ojo – SELL
Marko Grujic – LOAN to Hertha Berlin or a Premier League/Champions League club.

Forwards
Sadio Mane - KEEP
Xherdan Shaqiri – he will always be remembered for his brace against Man Utd, but looks like he is not performing to the expected standard, as he is not being selected that much. SELL
Ben Woodburn (HG) – LOAN to Premier League club.
Mohamed Salah – KEEP
Roberto Firmino – KEEP
Daniel Sturridge (HG) – SELL
Divock Origi – KEEP
Rhian Brewster (HG) – KEEP
Danny Ings (HG) – SELL

OUTGOINGS
Mignolet - £8m
Karius - £5m
Lovren - £20m
Moreno - £0
Randall - £0
Camacho - £10m
Clyne - £10m
Milner - £0
Lallana - £10m
Shaqiri - £25m
Kent - £2m
Ojo - £2.5m
Sturridge - £0
Ings - £20m transfer agreed


Therefore, I have £112.5m + £100m = £212.5m to spend on new players.

INCOMINGS
Hakim Ziyech
(Ajax) – he has 2 years remaining on his contract and a market value of £35m. Therefore, he will cost £40.25m. Will be the main ‘creativity force’ next season, along with Ox and Naby. There are rumours of a release clause of £25m.

Heung Min Son (Spurs) – he has 4 years remaining on his contract and a market value of £65m. As we are buying from a direct rival, I have added £15m onto his price. Therefore, he will cost £119m. He will be the main backup for the front three. Premier League proven, Champions League proven, after we beat Spurs in the final of the CL, he will want to come here.

Malang Sarr (OCG Nice) – he has 2 years remaining on his contract and a market value of £17m. Therefore, he will cost £19.55m. He is a cheap, younger replacement for Lovren. He will be 3rd/4th choice. He can also play LB if needed.

Achraf Hakimi (Dortmund, on loan from Real Madrid) – he has 1 year remaining on his contract and a market value of £30m. Therefore, he will cost £30m. Seeing as we should be fighting on four fronts next season and the fact that I never want to see Gomez play here again, means that we need a new RB and Hakimi, who has been great and Dortmund and is young, is my choice.

Lloyd Kelly (Bristol City) – he has 2 years remaining on his contract and has a market value of £2m. Therefore, he will cost £2.3m. He is a Moreno replacement.

Pepe Reina (AC Milan) – he has 2 years remaining on his contract and has a market value of £1m. Therefore, he will cost £1.15m. He is the replacement for Mignolet and can start training Grabara too.

FINAL SQUAD
Alisson Becker
Pepe Reina
Kamil Grabara
Virgil Van Dijk
Joe Gomez (HG)
Joel Matip
Malang Sarr
Trent Alexander-Arnold (HG)
Achraf Hakimi
Andy Robertson
Lloyd Kelly (HG)
Fabinho
Naby Keita
Georginio Wijnaldum
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (HG)
Jordan Henderson (HG)
Hakim Ziyech
Sadio Mane
Roberto Firmino
Mohamed Salah
Heung Min Son
Divock Origi
Rhian Brewster (HG)

17 NON HG players

POTENTIAL LINEUPS
1ST TEAM

Alisson Becker

Trent Alexander-Arnold Joe Gomez Virgil Van Dijk Any Robertson

Jordan Henderson Fabinho Hakim Ziyech

Mohamed Salah Roberto Firmino Sadio Mane



2ND TEAM

Pepe Reina

Achraf Hakimi Joel Matip Malang Sarr Lloyd Kelly

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Georginio Wijnaldum Naby Keita

Heung Min Son Rhian Brewster Divock Origi​

Also, Kamil Grabara

TROPHIES WON
Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, Carabao Cup, UEFA Cup, Community Shield, International Champions Cup (or whatever the pre-season trophy is called). Therefore, we will be the first-ever septuple winning side in history.
 

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The metric for valuation seems fair, but there will be some big misses that the formula won’t catch. For example, Lloyd Kelly seems a good young English prospect, able to cover left back and center back. He will be £2-3M based on the formula, but I think Bristol won’t sell for that, and it is likely to be £10M+.

I can’t think of a better way to do valuations, so agree with the formula proposed, but there will be some instances where the market takes a life of its own.
 

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The metric for valuation seems fair, but there will be some big misses that the formula won’t catch. For example, Lloyd Kelly seems a good young English prospect, able to cover left back and center back. He will be £2-3M based on the formula, but I think Bristol won’t sell for that, and it is likely to be £10M+.

I can’t think of a better way to do valuations, so agree with the formula proposed, but there will be some instances where the market takes a life of its own.
Yeah, rather than the formula though it's the starting transfermarkt valuation for young players that is often far too low in some cases.
 

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Some great efforts so far. Very good reading.

I’m waiting a bit to add mine, as I want to see what other rumours gather momentum. I’m thinking Brandt, Pepe as two main signings, but can’t decide if we’ll go for De Ligt or not. Besides that, nobody seems to have any major outgoings, so I’m biding my time but half wondering whether or not to set the cat amongst the pigeons with an outgoing we don’t want. Still thinking about this...
 

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I joined specifically to participate in this thread. :-)

Sell/let go
Ings (20M), Lallana (15M), Awoniyi (13M, valuation cited on this site) Clyne (10M), Camacho (10M), Kent (5M), Ojo (2M), Allan (2M), Sturridge, Moreno, Randall, (maybe a few other academy products for small change).
Funds raised: £77M.

I think Lallana is still a good player when fit, but I suspect all parties might be happy enough with a move back to the south coast and a club there happy to take the risk. Awoniyi is going to have a hard time getting a work permit or getting into the first team. Rest are pretty obvious.

Basically, I don't really want to let anyone go if it isn't necessary. This year's team is pretty freaking good and no reason to think it won't be next year. Milner, Grujic, Origi, Shaqiri, Wilson all have value and can add to the club, one way or another. And if Mignolet wants to stay, could probably do worse from a #2 keeper. Klopp's signings often take a while to settle, so players experienced in his system are good to have. Better to have and not need than need and not have.

Consequently, we don't need a lot, really. Attacking cover, and insurance in the attacking midfield in case Ox doesn't make it all the way back and Keita can't shake the injury bug. Milner can cover both fullbacks, and there are several other options for RB in particular.

In
Samuel Chukwueze
(19, Villarreal) -- A lot of Salah-like attributes -- blistering pace, lateral quickness, strong left foot. Most of the big clubs in Europe linked in one way or another. Arsenal botched his attempted signing out of Nigeria. Going to AFCON this summer at age 19. Gets shots in the box more often than Sancho, Dembele or Coman. Very nice talent for Klopp to develop. Transfermarkt valuation is nuts. He'd cost £30M guaranteed before add-ons.

Julian Brandt (23, Leverkusen) -- I think I actually like James Maddison better, but not twice the price better (or more), and Brandt helps me keep close to budget in the end. Not much explanation needed, plenty of info already posted on him. £21M

Marcus Thuram
(21, Guingamp) -- One of the top dribblers among young players in the Big 5 leagues, stands 6-foot-2, an aggressive and effective tackler, and the 2nd most goals for an U21 in Ligue 1 behind you know who -- all for a relegated side. Was visibly crushed when relegation was sealed. Surely he knows he's going to bigger things but that didn't matter. I like that. Despite his name, hasn't been a darling of the French youth system, but has fought all the harder. With Guingamp relegated and Thuram just one year left on contract, £8M might be all it takes -- he's definitely going somewhere this summer.

Fode Ballo-Toure (22, Monaco) -- Linked to Liverpool while at PSG's academy, Ballo-Toure has looked better in a more attack-oriented role at Monaco than more conservatively deployed at Lille. Still doesn't let many past him, puts in the tackles and is a big, aggressive fullback at 5-foot-10, can make things happen with the ball at his feet or putting in a cross in attack. I would pay £18M for him (they just paid 10 in January), and loan him back to Monaco or elsewhere. There are better players, but a young fullback playing in 1/4 full stadiums in midtable France might fancy Liverpool even if it means competing against Robertson. Between Lloyd Kelly for £15M or this guy, pretty easy call for me.
Spend: £77M.
Net spend: 0
(I really didn't do that on purpose).

So I still have Henry's £100M couch change. This summer is going to be nuts, money flying everywhere out of Spain, Manchester, London, Munich, Italy, and who knows where else. It's already started. And still clubs with Champions League aspirations -- either in it next year or hopes of qualifying in 2019-2020 -- are going to want to keep young stars on contracts with a few years on them.

The Naby Keita delayed transfer was a stroke of genius, and that's what I'd look to do again while the other big clubs are worried about patching up holes right now. It works for Liverpool bc there are few needs at the club now, and works for the selling club bc they get a year to challenge for honors with their star, and the guarantee of a nice fee to shop for replacement early.

Agreed for 2020
Kai Havertz (19, Leverkusen) -- It's a ton of money, but he's worth it. Aside from the obvious skill, what I love about him is that he may be the only young player in the world that can play a Firmino-style #9 at Liverpool and be trained into that role long-term. Playing more wide right lately bc that's what his team needs, and he's plenty good at it, but IMO really shines through the middle as a versatile scorer (either foot or in the air at 6-2) and creator. If we don't get him early, you know where he'll end up. Get Brandt from Leverkusen now, sew up a deal that ensures they get to keep Havertz another year without his head being turned by Bayern. £75M.

Houssem Aouar (20, Lyon) -- Aulas is more likely to sell Fekir and N'Dombele this summer and would like to keep Aouar. Works for me. This is where both going for Brandt and keeping Milner and Grujic works. Aouar is smooth on the ball, reliable passer, gets into threatening areas in attack -- similar to Naby in effect but not style or size. At 5-9, has some physicality to grow into as he matures, so the year in France would do him some good there, as well as taking a leadership role of his club in Champions League next year with vital cogs likely to be sold. £50M and that might be optimistic. He's valued at £36M on Transfermarkt.

Ibrahima Konate (19, RB Leipzig) -- Again, offering RB an outlet for a player before they can force a move to Bayern in a year's time. Plus Konate is quite a unit. Already one of the best CBs in the Bundesliga on the best defense in the league. A former striker with ball skills to show for it at 6-4 and both makes interventions and doesn't get dribbled past very often, plus a beast in the air (wins 70%+) -- sounds a bit like an in-progress version of someone we know? Not needed now with Lovren still at LFC, and RB would likely refuse to sell this summer. Fun fact: Konate and Thuram both came through the academy at FC Sochaux at about the same time. Transfermarkt valued at £27M, we'd do well to get him for £40M, IMO. Still a damn bargain compared to De Ligt for 75 for someone that really we don't even need this summer.
2020 Projected spend: £165M.
Balance: -£65M
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No problem, *now* we can sell Shaqiri for £30M (1/3 above his transfermarkt value), and Lovren for £22M, both of whom by then will probably want to be sold. We perhaps bid Milner a fond farewell, and sell a few more academy products, maybe sell Mignolet and promote Grabara (whatever) and we're back on budget. If Chukwueze and Thuram turn out to put Origi out of the squad maybe he goes. I don't see a problem raising an additional £10-15M to get on budget if it's an issue.

Which with this 2020-2021 team of complete asskickers (and a new record kit deal, and a commercial windfall from two straight Champions League wins that moves Liverpool into the top 3 in the world in revenue :-) ), it shouldn't be (in no set order, but likely 2019-2020 starters listed first)
GK -- Allison, Mignolet or whoever, Grabara
CB -- Van Dijk, Gomez, Matip, Konate, Hoever
LB -- Robertson, Ballo-Toure, (Lewis, Hoever, Gomez)
RB -- Alexander-Arnold, (Gomez, Hoever, Fabinho, etc. plenty of options here)
6 -- Fabinho, Grujic, Wijnaldum, (Henderson)
8 -- Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita, Aouar, Grujic
8/10 -- Keita, Wijnaldum, Ox-Chamberlain, Brandt, Havertz
LW -- Mane, Origi, Thuram
ST -- Firmino, Havertz, Brewster
RW -- Salah, Chukwueze, Wilson

I'm not bothered about squad rules. It would work out somehow. But this is only 26 players not counting Grabara or Hoever.

And if folks have a problem with the delayed transfer, obviously these numbers work all in one go also, it's just I am trying to be realistic about who would be available when. I think those three would be very hard to get in summer 2019 window, and I don't think Klopp would want 6-7 signings in this window anyway.

Outside the context of this game/challenge/scenario, I'd probably just sit on the bonus money and start working toward signing them for 2020. I'm sure Klopp knows some places in the Black Forest to serve as the new Blackpool. :-)