The Goalkeeper conundrum

Who would you WANT LFC to sign ?

  • Danjiel Subasic (Monaco)

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  • Rui Patricio (S.Lisbon)

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  • Diego Alves ( Valencia)

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mattyhurst

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Karius has a reaction issue, I always stand too close to that post which does allow for people to send it far post but at amatuer level that happens once in a blue moon as most people at level 1 can't put it wide of you let alone level 7 especially if you can use your legs.

But yeah I was demoted at the end of last year after conceding a few too many, saying that I look at what has happened since and until recently they still conceded too many and it was only when the team had a shake up it get better, the goalie certainly takes a hit for the failings of others.
 

LFC-Orlando

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It's actually a very unfortunate situation. And as tough as this decision is, it certainly looks like we have to get rid of both keepers. And do so before they cost us the season.

Mignolet had plenty of years and chances to prove his mediocrity.

Karius, unfortunately, is not good. This may be psychological, as after his terrible fracture he only played in cup competitions. The PL is not the same. The pressure is massive.

I hope he finds a way to elevate himself out of this rut. But it'll be difficult.

Hope our leaders find a solution quickly and take care of this position, as it could cost us 4th place and/or doing well in the CL.
 

red arizona scott

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It's actually a very unfortunate situation. And as tough as this decision is, it certainly looks like we have to get rid of both keepers. And do so before they cost us the season.

Mignolet had plenty of years and chances to prove his mediocrity.

Karius, unfortunately, is not good. This may be psychological, as after his terrible fracture he only played in cup competitions. The PL is not the same. The pressure is massive.
Unless Karius finishes like a top 10 keeper in the world yes the 2 need to go. Real can't sign all of De Gea, Courtois, Allison, Oblak and Donnarumma. Key to even approach any of these (yes I know De Gea is a non-starter but he could serve Madrid's appetite) is a top 4 finish. After that go for the next best from the EPL or La Liga (Rico, Kepa)--would Buttland, Forester, or even Joe Hart not be an improvement? Have not seen Lafont (Toulouse) play but he also is young, lengthy and highly thought of. There seems plenty of options and with CL play a big draw for any of those off the top list--with Allison on the top list I think being the most realistic/proven with Roma seeming to be on the verge of a major decline and maybe no CL.
 

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Unless Karius finishes like a top 10 keeper in the world yes the 2 need to go. Real can't sign all of De Gea, Courtois, Allison, Oblak and Donnarumma. Key to even approach any of these (yes I know De Gea is a non-starter but he could serve Madrid's appetite) is a top 4 finish. After that go for the next best from the EPL or La Liga (Rico, Kepa)--would Buttland, Forester, or even Joe Hart not be an improvement? Have not seen Lafont (Toulouse) play but he also is young, lengthy and highly thought of. There seems plenty of options and with CL play a big draw for any of those off the top list--with Allison on the top list I think being the most realistic/proven with Roma seeming to be on the verge of a major decline and maybe no CL.
No.
 

Anfield rd Dreamer

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Unless Karius finishes like a top 10 keeper in the world yes the 2 need to go. Real can't sign all of De Gea, Courtois, Allison, Oblak and Donnarumma. Key to even approach any of these (yes I know De Gea is a non-starter but he could serve Madrid's appetite) is a top 4 finish. After that go for the next best from the EPL or La Liga (Rico, Kepa)--would Buttland, Forester, or even Joe Hart not be an improvement? Have not seen Lafont (Toulouse) play but he also is young, lengthy and highly thought of. There seems plenty of options and with CL play a big draw for any of those off the top list--with Allison on the top list I think being the most realistic/proven with Roma seeming to be on the verge of a major decline and maybe no CL.
Karius deserves his chance. But if he doesn't grasp it with both hands so to speak there are a few keepers out there I think play the way we need. The ones I also think would be possibilities for us to sign are Alisson (the obvious choice), Rico from Sevilla and Perin of Genoa. We don't need a traditional keeper, we'd have many of the same issues we have with Mignolet. Obviously a top quality keeper like Oblak will be so good in some areas it would lessen the impact of him not playing the right way. And a traditional keeper could develop the skills to be used as a sweeper keeper. But I'd much prefer to actually sign a reasonably decent, young sweeper keeper. Those I listed all have top level experience, seem to be (from my extremely limited knowledge) the right kind of keepers, young, highly rated and, importantly, attainable to a club like us.
 

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I highlighted the ones applicable to my reply.
Butland I wouldn't mind having, but Hart and Forster make too many mistakes and wouldn't be that much of an improvement on the keepers we already have. And would you really want to upset out southern 'feeder' club by raiding them yet again? :-)
 

red arizona scott

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William Clark thanks for a thoughtful replay, and I do think better value is probably to be had in Serie A, La Liga and perhaps Ligue 1--and Alisson and Rico are at least 2 we converge on that seem quite attainable. I could be biased about the Bundesliga after Karius, but of course Klopp should know better and no matter how the scouting and projections some times the best fail to see how a player adapts with a step up in competition and pressure.
 

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We need a new goalkeeper coach. John Achterberg had his job for almost a decade now and it's not like there's any merit to it.
When Klopp signed alex manninger without playing him, it gave the impression he was here just to coach the goalkeepers. Yet achterberg kept his job to this day for reasons unexplained.

Since then alex manninger retired from professional football to focus on carpentry (which he did before his playing days) and real estate now that he has gathered capital.
 

William Clarke

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We need a goalkeeping coach who has played for a top club and has had success, because success breeds success in more cases than not. What success did Achterberg have other than landing a peachy role at our club.
 

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We need a goalkeeping coach who has played for a top club and has had success, because success breeds success in more cases than not. What success did Achterberg have other than landing a peachy role at our club.
I am not sure that I agree with you. A coach doesn't need to have played for a top club to be a top coach.

Football is full of coaches that came from the top clubs that failed and coaches that hadn't played for top clubs succeeding beyond anybodies imagination.

I think that each coach should be judged on his merit not his playing cv
 

ILLOK

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I don't think we should be looking at this league for a replacement, Mignolet and Karius are definitely no worse than most of them. You see people on here claim they're two of the worst in the league, then you see players like Lossl, Hennessey, Forster, Pickford etc and that myth just unravels.

We would be better off just keeping them than having another cheap, hopeful punt. We should be going for realistic but ambitious targets like Alisson or Sergio Rico.
 
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William Clarke

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I am not sure that I agree with you. A coach doesn't need to have played for a top club to be a top coach.

Football is full of coaches that came from the top clubs that failed and coaches that hadn't played for top clubs succeeding beyond anybodies imagination.

I think that each coach should be judged on his merit not his playing cv
Either way, OLDIE, he or she (not to be sexist) will deffo need their 'badges'.
 

hugo the horrible

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Some good points in the posts above.Certainly the point about a coach not needing to have necessarily been a top player is valid.
However,imo,Achterberg doesn't cut it either way,and is likely at least partly,probably a lot more that that,responsible for our GK problems.
Rushing out and bringing in another keeper may only achieve yet another player,not developing,or regressing.
It is only reasonable that Karius should be given a run of games to prove himself,and of course,Ward is waiting in the wings.
If Karius does continue to have difficulty,Then the keeper I'd look seriously at is Alisson.
I think he'd be a good fit,Oblak is a different type of player and some of the others do not stand out as improvements.
The one thing I'm certain of,is that Migs has had a hell of a lot of opportunity to prove himself,and has generally failed.
But I honestly believe it is time to do something about the GK coaching.
It is the common denominator in recent years,and should be addressed.
When Manninger came I hoped he would be a back up and step into the coaching role,however,that didn't happen!
What about looking at Reina for that role,personally I think he was an early victim of the coaching.He went from bloody good to bloody ordinary too quickly.
 

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This guy has apparently been advising the club on a consultancy basis since 2016.

http://www.hansleitert.com

Anyone know anything about him?
A GK coach called Hans - must be a good thing. Following tweet from the equally aptly named Pfister suggests it may be more than just advisory now...or its a journo getting it wrong again or its made up twitter bollox!

[B]Oliver Pfister[/B]‏ @[B]_oliverpfister[/B]
Helge Payer on DAZN just said that Hans Leitert (GK) is now "Head of GK" at Liverpool. That is interesting.
 

Kanonkop

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Best save success rate in Europe's top 5 leagues this season (10+ apps)
1) Jan Oblak -- 91.5%
2) Marc-Andre ter Stegen -- 84.9%
3) Alisson -- 81.1%
4) David De Gea -- 81.0%
 

lfc.eddie

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Best save success rate in Europe's top 5 leagues this season (10+ apps)
1) Jan Oblak -- 91.5%
2) Marc-Andre ter Stegen -- 84.9%
3) Alisson -- 81.1%
4) David De Gea -- 81.0%
If our recruitment team needs someone to consult them on who to recruit for goalkeeping duties, I think we are either drastically understaff, lack of resources to collate data or just inept..... Even I could have told everyone about the Roma keeper, which I think I did before we were even linked to him. But yeah, need a specialist to consult these blokes in suits.

Maybe you and I should go apply for that job, or maybe Matt and Max could start a consulting firm and use the forum to get all the names needed for each position... surely can't be cheap, that can surely help fund this site and forum without having to put adverts... lol
 



Anfield rd Dreamer

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Best save success rate in Europe's top 5 leagues this season (10+ apps)
1) Jan Oblak -- 91.5%
2) Marc-Andre ter Stegen -- 84.9%
3) Alisson -- 81.1%
4) David De Gea -- 81.0%
Alisson is the only one that definitely plays the way we want and who we could almost certainly bring in. Only Oblak out of the others is possibly attainable. We don't know if he has the ability to play as a sweeper keeper.
 

lfc.eddie

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Alisson is the only one that definitely plays the way we want and who we could almost certainly bring in. Only Oblak out of the others is possibly attainable. We don't know if he has the ability to play as a sweeper keeper.
I am sure the consultant will be able to sort that out, no? Since Mr. Edwards needs all the help he could get because we are so understaffed in that department.... apparently.
 

ILLOK

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I am sure the consultant will be able to sort that out, no? Since Mr. Edwards needs all the help he could get because we are so understaffed in that department.... apparently.
Isn't he essentially a glorified scout? It doesn't appear that much different.