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The lost magic - FA Cup

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No, no, no... Those precious footballers are too delicate to have to play extra time; the games should go straight to penalties.

But hang on... Penalty shootouts are too stressful an environment for our mollycoddled darlings; whichever team has more followers on Instagram should be declared the winner.

Fucking snowflake generation; the game’s gone soft.
Game’s also gone a bit more professional too. Players aren’t out on the piss and living on a diet of meat pies and chips. As a consequence football is no longer played at walking pace by lardarses.
 

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Easy solutions to this issue.

1. Remove League Cup participation for those involved in European Competition.

2. Scrap the League Cup two legged semi-final.

3. Premier League teams enter the FA Cup at the fourth round stage, rather than the third.

4. Scrap FA Cup replays, but if lower league clubs are drawn at home they can elect to swap and play away - if they want their big money spinning day at a big stadium they get it, or they can stay where they are.

5. Remove semi finals from Wembley. It’s no good moaning that the FA Cup has been devalued, while also cheapening the showpiece day.


Longer term, and with much greater difficulty, the league structures need to be looked at, with the aim of creating smaller leagues.

The leagues could be adjusted from four divisions, to five smaller ones.

Currently 92 teams are split between four divisions, with 24 in each, apart from the Premier League with 20.

A new league structure could be for four leagues of 18, and a division five of 20. Or Premier League of 18, with four more leagues of 20 (lifting six more clubs from the Conference to compete in fifth division)

This would greatly ease fixture congestion in the Premier League, and allow clubs to properly go at the FA Cup. If lower league clubs need the extra games for financial reasons, then those divisions could operate enhanced play offs involving more teams.
Your post is addressing the issue of too much playing time for big club players, and in the whole, I agree with these solutions (apart from making the PL smaller, not really a friend of that...).

However, the question of where the magic has gone and how it could be re-implemented is a more difficult one. I'm convinced that you need to get more incentive for all clubs to really go for it: being realistic, handing out more money is certainly a part of that, also in the earlier stages for the smaller teams.

Fully agree about removing the semi-finals at Wembley. Keep it for the final. That stadium is awful and will never be able to reproduce the atmosphere of the old Wembley, but that's even more reason to scrap the semi-finals from there.
 

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For the first time since he became manager I’m disappointed and embarrassed by Jurgen’s comments about the cup. Whilst I understand his frustration at the replay interrupting the winter break, I think he is being very disrespectful to the competition and the rest of the football pyramid. Look at those little kids with their tin foil replica cups on the pitch afterwards, this cup means a lot to clubs and their fans in the lower leagues and Jurgen’s arrogant disrespect towards those fans reflects badly on him and our club.

It’s easy to forget that the English game is built on the foundations of little clubs, Sunday leagues and tradition. If we ignore all of that we will end up with a sterile European super league where the same elite teams play each other year in year out. Look at the dreary Scottish league to get an insight into what that will be like. Not that he gives a fuck what I think but I’m sorry Jurgen you are completely wrong on this one.
 

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Fucking snowflake generation; the game’s world's gone soft.
Fixed, see the above example.

Scrap it btw.

It got devalued when the Mancs pulled out of it, and it's only got worse with teatime kick offs in the semis and final.
No fucking regard for any fans north of Watford who cant get home after the game.
 
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For the first time since he became manager I’m disappointed and embarrassed by Jurgen’s comments about the cup. Whilst I understand his frustration at the replay interrupting the winter break, I think he is being very disrespectful to the competition and the rest of the football pyramid. Look at those little kids with their tin foil replica cups on the pitch afterwards, this cup means a lot to clubs and their fans in the lower leagues and Jurgen’s arrogant disrespect towards those fans reflects badly on him and our club.

It’s easy to forget that the English game is built on the foundations of little clubs, Sunday leagues and tradition. If we ignore all of that we will end up with a sterile European super league where the same elite teams play each other year in year out. Look at the dreary Scottish league to get an insight into what that will be like. Not that he gives a fuck what I think but I’m sorry Jurgen you are completely wrong on this one.
Sorry mate, but you need to inform yourself before talking out of your arse like that.
 

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Sorry mate, but you need to inform yourself before talking out of your arse like that.
Two points;

If you follow Jamie Carragher on twitter you will find he is if the same view as me so presumably he is talking out if his arse as well.

Secondly it’s always amusing to see the forum rules on respecting differing opinions being Ignored by the administrators. If I spoke to you like that I’d probably get a warning, good to see that even on here there are some rules that only apply to some of us and some different less defined rules for those in power. Nothing really changes.
 

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I watched few FA Cup games the last weekend and it was so boring.You might have put 50 year old people on the pitch and there wouldn't be difference.Even when I watched the match with Shrews I wasn't excited at all.I just hoped it would end as soon as possible.It is a dead competition and I don't see how it is going to be revived.
 

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Two points;

If you follow Jamie Carragher on twitter you will find he is if the same view as me so presumably he is talking out if his arse as well
If that’s true, then yes, he is talking out of his arse. Jamie isn’t immune to this.
 

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This ‘disrespecting the cup’ bollocks needs binning off. Respect is an earned privilege.
I think if as is being reported today Jurgen is planning to go on holiday next week and miss the replay that’s disrespectful to the fans who pay a lot of money to attend games. He is paid millions to manage the team, he can take a day off and fly back from his skiing trip to attend the game. I am sticking by my view that he has misjudged this.
 

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Two points;

If you follow Jamie Carragher on twitter you will find he is if the same view as me so presumably he is talking out if his arse as well.

Secondly it’s always amusing to see the forum rules on respecting differing opinions being Ignored by the administrators. If I spoke to you like that I’d probably get a warning, good to see that even on here there are some rules that only apply to some of us and some different less defined rules for those in power. Nothing really changes.
1. Carra often talks out his arse so I wouldn't be too suprised about that... :LOL:
2. Over the years, I've often been accused of talking out of my arse on here, often rightly so. ;)
 

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Game’s also gone a bit more professional too. Players aren’t out on the piss and living on a diet of meat pies and chips. As a consequence football is no longer played at walking pace by lardarses.
More’s the pity.
 

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If that’s true, then yes, he is talking out of his arse. Jamie isn’t immune to this.
This is Jamie ”talking out of his arse”. Still, what the fuck does he know about our club, respect and motivating young players anyway ?

“Senior players having a winter break is right, you can’t implement one & then have a replay in the break. That’s the same for all PL clubs. But Klopp should take the team, his young players will be delighted & the picture of him in Ibiza with a will be on every front page!”
 

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This is Jamie ”talking out of his arse”. Still, what the fuck does he know about our club, respect and motivating young players anyway ?

“Senior players having a winter break is right, you can’t implement one & then have a replay in the break. That’s the same for all PL clubs. But Klopp should take the team, his young players will be delighted & the picture of him in Ibiza with a will be on every front page!”
It’s very big of Jamie Carragher, from the coziness of his punditry job, to pontificate on what a world class manager who throws his heart and soul into his work needs. I stand by my opinion that he is talking shite.

Do you seriously think that this management lark is just rocking up on the and telling the lads to get stuck in. The idea that Klopp can fly in for the match is ridiculous.

My own view is that this could be managed with a staggered squad. The senior players who fucked up the game on Sunday could be required to play, pushing back their break and instead missing the Norwich game.

But if Klopp needs a break he needs a break. He looks fucking tired to be honest, and he burned out on Germany after five years and that was with a much longer break.

It seems like the club are unified on this and are using the opportunity to make a point. So it isn’t fair to see this as an emotional reaction (as I originally thought) or Klopp having a mardy. Everyone is on board.

At the end of the day, a break was organised, clubs ordered to respect it, and it was the FA who then decided to organise fixtures in it.
 

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I think if as is being reported today Jurgen is planning to go on holiday next week and miss the replay that’s disrespectful to the fans who pay a lot of money to attend games. He is paid millions to manage the team, he can take a day off and fly back from his skiing trip to attend the game. I am sticking by my view that he has misjudged this.
We have specifically reduced the tickets (with Shrewsburys agreement) to keep the ground full but at drastically lower prices (£1 for a kid to go!!)

So yes you are talking out of your arse.

P.s. Carra was a hugely vocal advocator of Woy getting the job, he isn't always right.
 

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Can't understand why we wouldn't run our players into the ground for this Cup,it's not like we're competing in bigger,better things,fucking madness.
I don’t think anybody is suggesting we play the senior team, the issue is whether it is reasonable to expect the manager to turn and actually do the thing which he is paid millions to do which is to manage the team irrespective of the competition or the opposition.
p.s I’m not massively engaged with this issue but I’m stuck in Schiphol airport waiting for a delayed flight home after two nights away and it’s either this or doing actual work.
 

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We have specifically reduced the tickets (with Shrewsburys agreement) to keep the ground full but at drastically lower prices (£1 for a kid to go!!)

So yes you are talking out of your arse.

P.s. Carra was a hugely vocal advocator of Woy getting the job, he isn't always right.
I believe the Prophet Carra also wanted Curbishley over Rafa :LOL:
 

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I don’t think anybody is suggesting we play the senior team, the issue is whether it is reasonable to expect the manager to turn and actually do the thing which he is paid millions to do which is to manage the team irrespective of the competition or the opposition.
p.s I’m not massively engaged with this issue but I’m stuck in Schiphol airport waiting for a delayed flight home after two nights away and it’s either this or doing actual work.
I'd probably do some work if i'm being honest.
 

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I don’t think anybody is suggesting we play the senior team, the issue is whether it is reasonable to expect the manager to turn and actually do the thing which he is paid millions to do which is to manage the team irrespective of the competition or the opposition.
p.s I’m not massively engaged with this issue but I’m stuck in Schiphol airport waiting for a delayed flight home after two nights away and it’s either this or doing actual work.
1. The manager should do the job he is paid for.
2. I’m going to post on a footy forum instead of doing the job I am paid for.

Bit of a headscratcher that one.
 

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It’s very big of Jamie Carragher, from the coziness of his punditry job, to pontificate on what a world class manager who throws his heart and soul into his work needs. I stand by my opinion that he is talking shite.

Do you seriously think that this management lark is just rocking up on the and telling the lads to get stuck in. The idea that Klopp can fly in for the match is ridiculous.

My own view is that this could be managed with a staggered squad. The senior players who fucked up the game on Sunday could be required to play, pushing back their break and instead missing the Norwich game.

But if Klopp needs a break he needs a break. He looks fucking tired to be honest, and he burned out on Germany after five years and that was with a much longer break.

It seems like the club are unified on this and are using the opportunity to make a point. So it isn’t fair to see this as an emotional reaction (as I originally thought) or Klopp having a mardy. Everyone is on board.

At the end of the day, a break was organised, clubs ordered to respect it, and it was the FA who then decided to organise fixtures in it.
1. The manager should do the job he is paid for.
2. I’m going to post on a footy forum instead of doing the job I am paid for.

Bit of a headscratcher that one.
ha ha. Yeah you’ve got me there. Still I’m not paid what Klopp is and everybody thinks I am in the air so out of contact anyway.
I think we are going to have to disagree. I think he is paid to manage the club and he shouldn’t get to pick and choose which games he attends.
 
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Imagine we beat Shrewsbury only to play the kids again at Chelsea, I'd almost do that just to see the fume.
 

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Well we are never going to agree on this. Klopp is paid

ha ha. Yeah you’ve got me there. Still I’m not paid what Klopp is and everybody thinks I am in the air so out of contact anyway.
I think we are going to have to disagree. I think he is paid to manage the club and he shouldn’t get to pick and choose which games he attends.
Well, apparently he has the full support of the club and this was all agreed beforehand, so I don’t think this is a matter of Klopp picking and choosing his games.
 

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This is Jamie ”talking out of his arse”. Still, what the fuck does he know about our club, respect and motivating young players anyway ?

“Senior players having a winter break is right, you can’t implement one & then have a replay in the break. That’s the same for all PL clubs. But Klopp should take the team, his young players will be delighted & the picture of him in Ibiza with a will be on every front page!”
I am sort of torn about this. On the one hand, I agree that this could wind up being very tough on the group of young players. However, I am concerned about Klopp and have been since mid-December. I think he might need the break more than many of the players. I'd rather have him in peak form to will the senior squad toward a PL and maybe CL title, when it comes right down to it, so if that is what he feels he needs, so be it.
 

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No, no, no... Those precious footballers are too delicate to have to play extra time; the games should go straight to penalties.

But hang on... Penalty shootouts are too stressful an environment for our mollycoddled darlings; whichever team has more followers on Instagram should be declared the winner.

Fucking snowflake generation; the game’s gone soft.
We're all as good as doomed anyway. But do we go raging against the dying of our game's light or as Golgafrincham FC supporters.

The Golgafrinchans realised that were three types of beings on the planet of Golgafrincham: the leaders (or thinkers), the workers (or doers), and the middlemen.

The leaders contained the artists and "achievers". The workers were the people who "did all the actual work", and who made and did things. The middle management was comprised of hairdressers, lawyers, telephone sanitisers, and other such "worthless jobs."[1]The three classes of Golgafrinchans, as seen in Episode 6 of the TV series.The group of leaders built a ship and convinced the middlemen to leave Golgafrincham by telling them several different reasons, including: that the planet was going to crash into the sun (or perhaps the moon was going to crash into the planet), that the planet was being invaded by a gigantic swarm of twelve foot piranha bees, and that "the entire planet was in imminent danger of being eaten by an enormous mutant star goat."[1]
The middlemen were sent off, told that the other Golgafrinchans would follow soon, however they remained on the planet with no intention of leaving. The middlemen stayed in space for a long period of time, with many on board in suspended animation for the majority of the journey, with the exception of the Captain and his Number One and Number Two. This third class eventually crashed onto Earth, while the other two-thirds of their society on Golgafrincham lived full, rich and happy lives until they were all suddenly killed off by a raging disease contracted from a dirty telephone.
 
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I think if as is being reported today Jurgen is planning to go on holiday next week and miss the replay that’s disrespectful to the fans who pay a lot of money to attend games. He is paid millions to manage the team, he can take a day off and fly back from his skiing trip to attend the game. I am sticking by my view that he has misjudged this.
This is an extension of the "he gets paid 250 thousand quid a week for 90 minutes work" argument. It's foolish in that context just as it is in this one.