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The Maths?

Where would you wanna win it?

  • The Etihad

    Votes: 11 15.3%
  • Goodison lol

    Votes: 16 22.2%
  • In front of the Kop after 30 years of a long wait

    Votes: 50 69.4%

  • Total voters
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rockafella

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I don't care about the invincible thing. If need be, then draw/lose a game just to ensure we win the league at Anfield. For the Anfield faithful, win right in front of them, for them and celebrate with them. That lot deserves a proper celebration.
The trophy will be lifted at home after the final home league game (Chelsea) anyway. So plenty of time for celebrations.

Officially winning it away at Everton or City would just be fantastic. Arsenal did it in 02 at Utd and 04 at Spurs. The players came out onto the pitch after the game celebrating with the away fans after the home fans had all gone home. I'd love a loads of photos of the players at Goodison with league winners banners and inflatable trophies.
 

Jimmyscase

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Man City aren't dropping nine points in 4 games though are they? Stick to what we have to do, anything they do that helps us is a pleasant surprise. Even if they do the every 3 games thing still it would only be at most 3 points.
You should post on Blue moon. You've got more faith in them than their so-called fans do.;)
 

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The trophy will be lifted at home after the final home league game (Chelsea) anyway. So plenty of time for celebrations.

Officially winning it away at Everton or City would just be fantastic. Arsenal did it in 02 at Utd and 04 at Spurs. The players came out onto the pitch after the game celebrating with the away fans after the home fans had all gone home. I'd love a loads of photos of the players at Goodison with league winners banners and inflatable trophies.
Arsenal didn't have to wait 30 years. We can celebrate at any place next season if we win the league again. This season for me it is best to win it at home.
 

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Arsenal didn't have to wait 30 years. We can celebrate at any place next season if we win the league again. This season for me it is best to win it at home.
The problem with your “make sure we win it at home” plan is that we may fuck up the home game after the away game. What if we get Atkinson as ref and he shafts us? What if our opponents get a deflected goal? What if we simply have an (admittedly rare) off day? We can’t be cocky and pick and choose when we want to cross the finishing line.

Just fucking win it.
 

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Still think the best game to win it at would be the home game against Palace so we get to celebrate as a club in our home city, 3 o clock kick off too so plenty of time to party. Then next game our opponents have to give us a guard of honour as new champions......at the Etihad! This opinion is in no way influenced by the fact I'll be at the Palace game! Honest!
 

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Still think the best game to win it at would be the home game against Palace so we get to celebrate as a club in our home city, 3 o clock kick off too so plenty of time to party. Then next game our opponents have to give us a guard of honour as new champions......at the Etihad! This opinion is in no way influenced by the fact I'll be at the Palace game! Honest!
Won't be 3 o clock by the time the TV fixtures are announced. I expect the next batch which I think take in March and April will all be on TV
 

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Wouldn't be surprised at all to hear that.

Maybe a lunchtime kickoff to give the fans a full day to party and celebrate in style
I assume it will depend on the CL and the likelihood that if we were to win it Sky will want to show it so potentially a Saturday night. Frankly couldn't care mind as long as we do win it, even if it's a school night I'd probably have a few.
 

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I assume it will depend on the CL and the likelihood that if we were to win it Sky will want to show it so potentially a Saturday night. Frankly couldn't care mind as long as we do win it, even if it's a school night I'd probably have a few.
So would BT though, so would then be down to how pays the £££s to get it
 

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How many points do City need to drop for us to be clinching the title with a result vs Bournemouth ?

There are 6 premier league matches to follow before we travel to the bitters. West Ham(A) , Southampton(H) , Norwich (A) , West Ham(H) , Watford(A) , Bournemouth(H). Except Southampton , the other teams have been dire this season. (Am aware that Watford is having a revival of sorts). Ideal situation to wrap up the premier league by Bournemouth.
 

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How many points do City need to drop for us to be clinching the title with a result vs Bournemouth ?

There are 6 premier league matches to follow before we travel to the bitters. West Ham(A) , Southampton(H) , Norwich (A) , West Ham(H) , Watford(A) , Bournemouth(H). Except Southampton , the other teams have been dire this season. (Am aware that Watford is having a revival of sorts). Ideal situation to wrap up the premier league by Bournemouth.
Win all those games as we'd be on 85 points (on 7th March!).

They'd need to drop nine points in the following fixtures Spurs (a), West Ham (h), Leicester (a), Arsenal (h), Man Utd (a).
 

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Win all those games as we'd be on 85 points (on 7th March!).

They'd need to drop nine points in the following fixtures Spurs (a), West Ham (h), Leicester (a), Arsenal (h), Man Utd (a).
2 pretty tough teams away and then man utd who will be getting up for the fight , arsenal with a point to prove for arteta and then west ham at home.

I see them probably losing some points there , not 9 out of 15 though.
 

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2 pretty tough teams away and then man utd who will be getting up for the fight , arsenal with a point to prove for arteta and then west ham at home.

I see them probably losing some points there , not 9 out of 15 though.
Don't think it'd be a shock if they drew at Spurs or Leicester, but they always bum Utd at Old Trafford. So whilst they could well drop a couple of points in that run, it wouldn't be enough to allow us to win the league that early like you said.
 

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I don’t mind where we win it, so long as we do! And that is looking very good indeed, but even so, it is still one game at a time...

Win it at Anfield? Is right. It has been 30 years. A few near misses in that time too. Let the home crowd bask in the glory with the team.

Win it away at Man City? Lovely. Watch the stadium empty out faster than if it were an FA Cup tie. And we’ll take a guard of honor too, if you don’t mind. Sterling to salute Gomez. Guardiola to salute Klopp.

Win it at Goodison? Lovely. I have nothing but respect for Ancelotti, but it will be nice for their players to eat crow, and even more so their fans, after the dogs abuse we have taken from them over the years.

Either way I don’t care that much, just get the thing won. Ideally we go through the season unbeaten and also destroy Man City’s ‘unbeatable’ 100 point tally. But I would sacrifice that sort of stuff in exchange for the Champions League, if it came down to it.
 
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Ideally, no doubt at Anfield. It's a picture I've had in my head so many times. I much prefer celebrating at our home with our own people rather than rubbing it in at a rival away ground.

But really, I don't care too much where/when we do it. Just attack every game in every competition left the best we can, grab mutiple trophies if we can (or at least that one more, the bread and butter) and let's keep the same mindset (and clever moves) for next season.

Records (a nice bonus, but we know our priorities) will come natural if we keep going like this.
 

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Since the start of the 2017-18 season (the season when City officially become the bestest club side ever), we have now played exactly 100 league games, as have FC Abu Dhabi.

We have totalled 242 points in that time frame, while they have accrued 249 points in the same spell, so they average 0.07 points per game more than us.

In order for them to catch us in the league, they need to average 1.43 points per game more than we do.

Ain’t gonna happen.
 

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Even if City win every game and get 93 pts the chances that we don't get 94 are going down with each victory of ours. Their winning results are becoming less and less relevant to their chances. There's less and less for them to cling on to.
Currently at 16% chance if they win all their games. Drops to 8% for 13 wins and a draw. I imagine though that they'll end up with 84 pts not 93.

Whe are in a different league mathematically. We have a range from 89-93 pts in which it never falls below a 99.5% probability of us winning. In three wins time
at 79 points that 0.5% doubt goes down to <0.1% and then it's just about patiently waiting for confirmation.
 
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Even if City win every game and get 93 pts the chances that we don't get 94 are going down with each victory of ours. Their winning results are becoming less and less relevant to their chances. There's less and less for them to cling on to.
Currently at 16% chance if they win all their games. Drops to 8% for 13 wins and a draw.


Whe are in a different league mathematically. We have a range from 89-93 pts in which it never falls below a 99.5% probability.
I don't think there is any chance City get to 93 points personally. Last season at this stage they were running 5 points better and building momentum into an unprecedented run of winning form that set a premier league record and saw them over the line against us by 1 point. There are absolutely no signs this current City side are building any momentum at all and the thought of them going on a similar kind of run is ridiculous. Meanwhile we could drop 10 points and still finish on more than 100! We didn't drop that many points last season in the remaining fixtures and it's very hard to see us doing worse this season than last. Its phenomenal how well we are doing and I'm struggling to see us picking up less than 105 points. I'm struggling to see City pick up more than 85 especially if they start resting top players in the league to concentrate on Champions League fixtures like we have done sometimes in the past. It won't be long before its mathematically impossible for them to catch us or finish lower than 4th. At that stage I expect all their efforts being put into the later stages of the Champions League if they are still in it. It's the one they and their owners really want after all.
 

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I don't think there is any chance City get to 93 points personally. Last season at this stage they were running 5 points better and building momentum into an unprecedented run of winning form that set a premier league record and saw them over the line against us by 1 point. There are absolutely no signs this current City side are building any momentum at all and the thought of them going on a similar kind of run is ridiculous. Meanwhile we could drop 10 points and still finish on more than 100! We didn't drop that many points last season in the remaining fixtures and it's very hard to see us doing worse this season than last. Its phenomenal how well we are doing and I'm struggling to see us picking up less than 105 points. I'm struggling to see City pick up more than 85 especially if they start resting top players in the league to concentrate on Champions League fixtures like we have done sometimes in the past. It won't be long before its mathematically impossible for them to catch us or finish lower than 4th. At that stage I expect all their efforts being put into the later stages of the Champions League if they are still in it. It's the one they and their owners really want after all.
That's clearly analysed and clearly put.
I think we are now beyond the point where we have to have an eye on their result too. (I know it matters what they do or don't do in terms of timing the Champions walk for Goodison).
 

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I don't think there is any chance City get to 93 points personally. Last season at this stage they were running 5 points better and building momentum into an unprecedented run of winning form that set a premier league record and saw them over the line against us by 1 point. There are absolutely no signs this current City side are building any momentum at all and the thought of them going on a similar kind of run is ridiculous. Meanwhile we could drop 10 points and still finish on more than 100! We didn't drop that many points last season in the remaining fixtures and it's very hard to see us doing worse this season than last. Its phenomenal how well we are doing and I'm struggling to see us picking up less than 105 points. I'm struggling to see City pick up more than 85 especially if they start resting top players in the league to concentrate on Champions League fixtures like we have done sometimes in the past. It won't be long before its mathematically impossible for them to catch us or finish lower than 4th. At that stage I expect all their efforts being put into the later stages of the Champions League if they are still in it. It's the one they and their owners really want after all.
I think the only thing that stops us from breaking 100 points is if we wrap up the league early and start resting players for the champions league.

Not that we should. This team is much better running at two games a week.

At the least we should be aiming for 105 points, and those spoilt pricks can moan about a tainted title all the want.
 
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I think the only thing that stops us from breaking 100 points is if we wrap up the league early and start resting players for the champions league.

Not that we should. This team is much better running at two games a week.

At the least we should be aiming for 105 points, and those spoilt pricks can most about a tainted title all the want.
I'd like us to be at least 27 points ahead of City at the end of the season, giving us a higher points aggregate for the three seasons in which we've turned from a plucky also ran to the horse bookies pay out bets on half way through the race.