Almost certainly they are being asked to do this. Milner was practically playing as a CB preseason when taking up JH's role, and Gini has been doing similar in his starts.Never rated Henderson in the deepest position, he drops back between the Centre Backs and continues to take the ball from them extremely deep. VvD and Joe Gomez are more than capable of finding a pass or bringing the ball out, Henderson dropping deep negates them and invites pressure higher up the field. He was much better in the more advanced, energizer bunny role when Stevie G was the holding player and before that.
Agree entirely, particularly with the bit I put in bold towards the end. We currently lack pace in midfield and, as you said, a connection between midfield and Firmino. At the moment, Henderson doesn't look fit enough to play. He had a tiring end to the season and then gave his all for England. I think he could with a rest and in the meantime Fabinho should be given a few games, starting with Tottenham.Wijnaldum used to play as an AM at Newcastle and we have seen him venture forward making decent runs when he was given license. His current role isn't optimal as he doesn't excel trying to link up play. For me I would rather see him advanced.
Henderson was an excellent B2B mid, who was converted to a deep lying playmaker roles when Gerrard departed. He is decent and playing those balls into the channels and once upon a time could actually release a player on a break when given the opportunity.
What I am seeing now is a first-do-no-harm approach to their roles, that they don't take enough risk in the final third. We have speedy wingers who are able to get up the pitch quickly on the first movement, but if that stalls out we struggle to get an incisive ball in the second or third phase. Where we used to get Coutinho or Ox playing quite high creating triangles with Firmino at the top of the box, now we have most of the play on the periphery of the opponent's half in a giant D and very few players willing to risk their positioning to advance the ball and link up with Firmino who is quite good with the ball at his feet to creat scoring opportunity.
I like the 4-3-3 and think it brings a lot of value to our overall shape, but until we can get comfortable with having at least one #10-style attacking midfielder AND another aggressive midfielder who will make those advanced runs, we will be seeing a lot of recycled play and passing between the #6 and CB's.
For me, it would be Fabinho/Henderson at the 6. B2B would be Milner/Keita and the #10 with Shaqiri/Oxlade/Lallana
I don't value Wijnaldum on a regular basis, is decent enough against the cannon fodder but when we go to Old toilet I would prefer he not be on the pitch. He quite simply does not have an eye for the pass in any forward direction
Im according to you the 5-0 to Porto , but for city game we were playing another midfield , just like the important game against Spartak , we rotated a lot in the middle of the park , so our almost succeseful compaigns was hardly done with one formula .5-0 thrashing of Porto? For half the 3-0 win over Man City?
maybe not for Lallana....Turns out he has pulled out from England's training session for an unspecified injury....As written in the post-match thread, rotation will set in after the break. We'll have a set of games, all against genuine top teams (apart Southampton) every three/four days. For all players, the competition for places starts anew in a week. I'm quite sure that Klopp will not hold on to the starting eleven we have seen for the first four games.
For the midfield, I agree that the combination of Milner, Hendo and Gini isn't quite up to the pace. Same problem than last season when they were lined up together, at least most of the time. But with the comment that Hendo is still coming back to full fitness after the world cup, he'll gradually improve. Milner has been nothing short of sensational lately, but he won't be able to sustain the rhythm of playing every three days. He'll play a squaddie role a bit later in the season. As for Gini, Klopp rates him obviously a lot, and all depends on him if he maintains a high standard throughout the season or not.
But I'm sure that lads like Lallana, Fabinho and Keita of course, will weigh in quite heavily from next week on. I could even see Shaqiri playing in an advanced central midfield role, if there is a need for one more creative player, depending on the opposition.
I think using Fabinho deepest with Gini box to box and either Lallana or Milner as the most attacking CM would have been best then. Using both Lallana and Milner in the more energetic roles just brutally exposed both for how old they are getting.Keita and Shaqiri weren't available plus no Hendo leaves me thinking our choices were always going to be thin and meant using a massively out of form Lallana,Klopp had no real choice other than picking who he picked.
I was also commenting on the post above with the zero out of three new midfielders being used,only one was available.I think using Fabinho deepest with Gini box to box and either Lallana or Milner as the most attacking CM would have been best then. Using both Lallana and Milner in the more energetic roles just brutally exposed both for how old they are getting.
I think his personal form (except last night) is fine. It's how he meshes (or doesn't) with the roles within midfield to create the right chemistry.Surprised that a few on here only see Milner as an emergency midfielder option. He’s probably been one of our more consistent players this season.
That being said I think I would like to see the new signings start. Fabinho and keita with Shaqiri ahead of them.
If for no other reason than the other options are bang out of form.
But also playing Fabinho and Shaqiri we have penalty and set piece takers and not relying on salah scoring direct from corners each time.
Wijnaldum and Fabinho should be used as two central mid in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Wijnaldum playing box to box not going to help unlock any defence. He holds no attacking threat.I think using Fabinho deepest with Gini box to box and either Lallana or Milner as the most attacking CM would have been best then. Using both Lallana and Milner in the more energetic roles just brutally exposed both for how old they are getting.
Not sure you've read my previous post on the midfield roles and chemistry as I see it. That's not the job of that role it's the job of the most attacking CM which I suggested using Lallana or Milner for in the post you quoted. You're free to disagree with how I've described the midfield working if you want. But in the roles set out Gini wouldn't be doing that if he was in that role.Wijnaldum and Fabinho should be used as two central mid in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Wijnaldum playing box to box not going to help unlock any defence. He holds no attacking threat.