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The Owners



redbj

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Liverpool owners in shock news...

‘Willing to listen to offers making them around 1 .7 billion dollars shock’

You heard it here first.




Get used to it lads.....

Who’s not ‘willing to listen to offers ‘ of making a 400% return?
 

ptt

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Said it all along. FSG have been great owners. Better the devil you know. We’d all love owners with bottomless pockets who love the game and want nothing but success. Pretty much like FSG are with their rounders team. Crazy money from an oppresive totalatarian regime would be a different matter. Winning at all and any costs?

Could we all offer to chip £200 in? All 10 million of us?

Didn’t think so.......
 

lfc.eddie

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Said it all along. FSG have been great owners. Better the devil you know. We’d all love owners with bottomless pockets who love the game and want nothing but success. Pretty much like FSG are with their rounders team. Crazy money from an oppresive totalatarian regime would be a different matter. Winning at all and any costs?

Could we all offer to chip £200 in? All 10 million of us?

Didn’t think so.......
It’s not for you to decide now is it? After all, we are just the consumer and they are the owners of the club. Can do whatever the fuck they want and sell it to whoever that meet their profit margin.
 



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It’s not for you to decide now is it? After all, we are just the consumer and they are the owners of the club. Can do whatever the fuck they want and sell it to whoever that meet their profit margin.
A point I’ve made many, many times. We have no say in the matter. Correctly so as although we’re all fans, we don’t own the club.
 

lfc.eddie

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A point I’ve made many, many times. We have no say in the matter. Correctly so as although we’re all fans, we don’t own the club.
Which is also a point I have been advocating together with @Hope in your heart to open up a percentage of the club to be owned by the supporters. Like millions of people owning Google and Apple stocks, you don’t run the company, same can be done with the club. But when sale of the club took place, you have a minority watchdog rep to look after your affairs.
 

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Which is also a point I have been advocating together with Hope to open up a percentage of the club to be owned by the supporters. Like millions of people owning Google and Apple stocks, you don’t run the company, same can be done with the club. But when sale of the club took place, you have a minority watchdog rep to look after your affairs.
Won’t happen and you can’t (as you said) have any say in the matter. Well you can but it’s meaningless.

Unless you have access to a serious amount of cash...... Can’t be many people (just from their own personal fortune) who could stump up £2bn for a straight purchase.
 



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How many times has the club been ‘on the market’ over the past decade or so? I’m not aware that we’ve been exactly inundated with viable offers. That’s why a sale, if it happens, will be carried out ‘quietly’. They’re probably just putting it out there that if a sensible offer from a viable buyer comes along they will seriously consider it. I wouldn’t mind betting that that situation applies to the majority of clubs.
 

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Won’t happen and you can’t (as you said) have any say in the matter. Well you can but it’s meaningless.

Unless you have access to a serious amount of cash...... Can’t be many people (just from their own personal fortune) who could stump up £2bn for a straight purchase.
That ship has sailed long ago. There was a chance before Moores decided to sell up. He himself said he'd have been open to the idea. Then, when g+h did their best to ruin the club, there was another chance, but RBS wouldn't entertain that idea and sold the club to fsg who made great business for themselves by acquiring an undervalued asset.

Now, as you say, the fans stumping up 2 billions is totally irrealistic and of course won't happen. But think about it: had we supporters had the idea and vision to buy the club from Moores at the time (what was the selling price already? 150 millions maybe?) then we'd all have made great business, and the club would be free of any danger of getting into the claws of potential leeches like g+h. Hindsight of course, I know.

As it is, fsg will have made a hell of a good business for themselves if they manage to sell the club for that kind of money, above all profiting from the insane TV-money windfall in the last decade. But there is absolutely no guarantee that the club will profit in any way, shape or form from a sale to the most offering party.
 

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But think about it: had the supporters had the idea and vision to buy the club from Moores at the time (what was the selling price already? 150 millions maybe?) then we'd all have made a hell of a good business, and the club would be free of any danger of getting into the claws of potential leeches like g+h..
No guarantee of that at all. Who makes the decisions under fan ownership? What are their credentials? There's plenty of passion but little acumen within SOS, for example.
 

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No guarantee of that at all. Who makes the decisions under fan ownership? What are their credentials? There's plenty of passion but little acumen within SOS, for example.
The TV-money windfall in itself would have increased the club's value, even if the club was badly managed. For the structural part about the decision-making, there are enough good examples to look at, Bayern for instance.

But I won't get into that discussion again, as it would only be flogging a dead horse. In current circumstances, there's no way for the fans to acquire even a tiny part of the club. And probably, there is no willingness either to do this. Neither from the current owners nor from the fans themselves. Too expensive is the key word here.
 

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I think the Washington Post article is pretty much a "nothing" story, not worth getting agitated over.

It lacks credibility, relying entirely on anonymous sources:
"according to a source close to the situation", "Two other sources", "sources briefed on the situation" & "a London sports investment banker";
and its author cannot even get his basic facts right, claiming that Henry purchased Liverpool for $477 in 2010, when in actual fact FSG paid $368 million (£230.351 million) in 2010.

Is Liverpool for sale? In common with each and every other asset in the world, it probably is "for sale", at the right price.

If you want to buy it, all you have to do is name the right price, and come up with the readies, but, so far no-one has.
 



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That ship has sailed long ago. There was a chance before Moores decided to sell up. He himself said he'd have been open to the idea. Then, when g+h did their best to ruin the club, there was another chance, but RBS wouldn't entertain that idea and sold the club to fsg who made great business for themselves by acquiring an undervalued asset.

Now, as you say, the fans stumping up 2 billions is totally irrealistic and of course won't happen. But think about it: had we supporters had the idea and vision to buy the club from Moores at the time (what was the selling price already? 150 millions maybe?) then we'd all have made great business, and the club would be free of any danger of getting into the claws of potential leeches like g+h. Hindsight of course, I know.

As it is, fsg will have made a hell of a good business for themselves if they manage to sell the club for that kind of money, above all profiting from the insane TV-money windfall in the last decade. But there is absolutely no guarantee that the club will profit in any way, shape or form from a sale to the most offering party.
We only stand to gain if a benevolent fan takes over who’s happy to spend. Otherwise we’re a show pony, a glittering gem for somebody to show off.

Imagine the fans had bought the club. Think anybody would have invested to redevelop the stadium?
 

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Everything has a price - everything can be for sale. E.g My car is not for sale, but if you turn up with enough cash I will sell it. Same as my house, my trainers, and my arsehole.

Click baiting at its best - will help bring out the same usual arguments for and against the owners.

Mods you could just delete 50 pages of this thread and adjust the dates on the remaining posts and no one would be any wiser.
 

ptt

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Everything has a price - everything can be for sale. E.g My car is not for sale, but if you turn up with enough cash I will sell it. Same as my house, my trainers, and my arsehole.

Click baiting at its best - will help bring out the same usual arguments for and against the owners.

Mods you could just delete 50 pages of this thread and adjust the dates on the remaining posts and no one would be any wiser.
I’ve mentioned this so many times, everything is for sale (except my family).
 

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seems a strange time to want to sell the club, passively or not,
if this European super league happens, as reported only last week
then I would like to think more money would be coming into the club, increasing the value of it.

this is the reason that the clubs involved in the ESL want the league, is it not?
 



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I think the Washington Post article is pretty much a "nothing" story, not worth getting agitated over.

It lacks credibility, relying entirely on anonymous sources:
"according to a source close to the situation", "Two other sources", "sources briefed on the situation" & "a London sports investment banker";
and its author cannot even get his basic facts right, claiming that Henry purchased Liverpool for $477 in 2010, when in actual fact FSG paid $368 million (£230.351 million) in 2010.

Is Liverpool for sale? In common with each and every other asset in the world, it probably is "for sale", at the right price.

If you want to buy it, all you have to do is name the right price, and come up with the readies, but, so far no-one has.
I hope so. If the club ended up a front for the Saudi Arabian Royal Family, that would be the end for road for me and LFC.
 

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I think the Washington Post article is pretty much a "nothing" story, not worth getting agitated over.

It lacks credibility, relying entirely on anonymous sources:
"according to a source close to the situation", "Two other sources", "sources briefed on the situation" & "a London sports investment banker";
and its author cannot even get his basic facts right, claiming that Henry purchased Liverpool for $477 in 2010, when in actual fact FSG paid $368 million (£230.351 million) in 2010.

Is Liverpool for sale? In common with each and every other asset in the world, it probably is "for sale", at the right price.

If you want to buy it, all you have to do is name the right price, and come up with the readies, but, so far no-one has.
Important to note that it is the New York Post, not the Washington Post. The Washington Post is one of the two most important and credible newspapers in America. The New York Post is designed to be read and left on the subway.
 
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Caradoc

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Its important to sell at the top of a market :rolleyes:

Will this one do ....... :think:






Lovely roof .........! :well done:



Seriously though, yes I would have thought that that is what they would look to do especially with their financial background.
 
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lfc.eddie

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No guarantee of that at all. Who makes the decisions under fan ownership? What are their credentials? There's plenty of passion but little acumen within SOS, for example.
Wouldn’t there be an AGM and EGM to vote in board of directors, in turn appoint the executive heads which then hire the management crew to run the corporation?
 

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Everything has a price - everything can be for sale. E.g My car is not for sale, but if you turn up with enough cash I will sell it. Same as my house, my trainers, and my arsehole.

Click baiting at its best - will help bring out the same usual arguments for and against the owners.

Mods you could just delete 50 pages of this thread and adjust the dates on the remaining posts and no one would be any wiser.
Not sure how much I’d sell my arsehole for.... quite precious to me.
 

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I dont think the club is actively for sale. Like others have said, everything has its price if someone offers enough. I do think FSG are continuing to look for a minority investor although exactly how that works and what the minority investor gets for their money, Im not sure.
 
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Caradoc

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The easy bit is putting a figure on it ...... the difficult bit is finding someonevwilling to meet that valuation!

My fear is that the sort of prospective buyers who are not only capable of stumping up but willing to stump up that sort of dosh are not necessarily the type of owners this club wants or needs.m