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Wouldn't be surprised if the club start trying to sell loot crates next
25 pounds per month

*Opens loot crate*

"Officially licensed" but not New Balance/47 LFC cap
Titi Camara bobblehead
Liverbird Keyring
Autographed Frode Kippe trading card
"Officially licensed" but not New Balance LFC gym bag
Travel mug (which you can't bring into Anfield)
Tshirt with dodgy graphic design
Voucher for 2% off storewide
 

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The talk from the club that some of these moves are being done to stop unscrupulous individuals doing it does raise an eyebrow. Could you imagine if every website that mentions the Allez Allez Allez song had to pay a fee to Joe Bloggs Ltd based in Surrey or something? If the club own the copyrights there is an argument that its safer from abuse than being open and available for anyone else to attempt it. At least the club has a public image to uphold and realise how much negativity it would create if they moved on independents. Someone else owning the copyrights may not have those concerns/restraints.
 

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They understand but being a business driven organisation, they don’t care. They know the fans going to come up with it even though it is going to be trademarked by the club.
Do they marketing folks in the business have creative ideas of their own?
 

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LFC's priority is profit. That's clear from this summer.

Klopp clearly wasn't recruited to maximise trophy wins utilising every possible pound that the club could raise and use within FFP.

Klopp was recruited to ensure the club did well enough to make 95%+ of total possible revenue from a low net spend, whether or not trophies resulted. Trophies are the bonus, revenue and profit is the goal.

FSG would rather win one major trophy every few years from a low net spend, than multiple trophies from the maximum possible net spend.

Klopp is probably part of that, his contract probably incentivises him financially the more profit the club makes.

This season we'll come close, we'll win a minor trophy or two. Any backwards step in respect of the major trophies will be blamed on things we knew about but didn't sort. You can hear the excuses starting already.

Klopp will laugh off claims we should have spent money this summer, talking as though we're a small club that can't spend and not one of the richest in Europe but which chose not to.

The internet warriors, many of whom are so supportive of FSG that they are clearly on their payroll, will shout down, ridicule and crowd out reasonable criticism.

Next summer the narrative will be that it's time to freshen it up. We'll sell one or two of the best players we should have added to this summer to max out on trophies this season.

We'll reinvest the money, FSG won't risk us not finishing top 4 or getting to the business end of the CL. We'll remain competitive from a low net spend, but our trophy haul will remain less than was possible, although profits will remain high, whether they be declared UK profits or siphoned off via FSM.

But under FSG LFC will only ever be self sustaining in the transfer market, the profits from the club's commercial activities will be for the owners.

Most supporters, so desperate for success, and manipulated by the opinion formers, will sit like faithful dogs at the feet of Henry and Werner's dinner table, grateful for the nice juicy scraps thrown down to them, whilst their owners eat the five courses that their working dogs actually paid for, laughing at how compliant and well trained their pooches are.

Klopp will complete his seven years, and leave with praise for winning whatever he does win against the odds, which will have actually been odds of LFC's own choosing, having chosen not to invest everything possible in the squad to increase the chances of trophies.

I'm not being part of that. I cannot take the same enjoyment out of actively following FSG's LFC, given my view of their motives and priorities.

I acknowledged the good work they did, I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But this summer has disgusted me and has killed all the enjoyment and pleasure I took from the CL win. I don't even trust Klopp's motives and part in what FSG are doing any more.

My views are my views and they won't change, so I'll put my money where my mouth is.

I've followed the club all my life, and will always love the reds. But I'm not being part of the feathering of FSG's nest. I didn't renew my club membership and won't go to a match this season.

And given my strong views on all this, I agree that all my contributions to these forums will be tainted by it.

So I'll leave this place well alone and may well actually depart for good.

Which I guess is what the FSG luvvies have always wanted.
 

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Anyone blaming the owners for our lack of transfer activity need to have a word with themselves.

Money's always been there for transfers under FSG, it's absolutely silly to suggest they've turn off the tap now when we're in our best moment in years.

Personally I wasn't even asking for a starting XI, expensive signing this window. Just some striker and full-back cover. The fact we're gambling on Firmino and our full-backs staying fit and healthy for the full season is on Klopp and CEO Moore.
 

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LFC's priority is profit. That's clear from this summer.

Klopp clearly wasn't recruited to maximise trophy wins utilising every possible pound that the club could raise and use within FFP.

Klopp was recruited to ensure the club did well enough to make 95%+ of total possible revenue from a low net spend, whether or not trophies resulted. Trophies are the bonus, revenue and profit is the goal.

FSG would rather win one major trophy every few years from a low net spend, than multiple trophies from the maximum possible net spend.

Klopp is probably part of that, his contract probably incentivises him financially the more profit the club makes.

This season we'll come close, we'll win a minor trophy or two. Any backwards step in respect of the major trophies will be blamed on things we knew about but didn't sort. You can hear the excuses starting already.

Klopp will laugh off claims we should have spent money this summer, talking as though we're a small club that can't spend and not one of the richest in Europe but which chose not to.

The internet warriors, many of whom are so supportive of FSG that they are clearly on their payroll, will shout down, ridicule and crowd out reasonable criticism.

Next summer the narrative will be that it's time to freshen it up. We'll sell one or two of the best players we should have added to this summer to max out on trophies this season.

We'll reinvest the money, FSG won't risk us not finishing top 4 or getting to the business end of the CL. We'll remain competitive from a low net spend, but our trophy haul will remain less than was possible, although profits will remain high, whether they be declared UK profits or siphoned off via FSM.

But under FSG LFC will only ever be self sustaining in the transfer market, the profits from the club's commercial activities will be for the owners.

Most supporters, so desperate for success, and manipulated by the opinion formers, will sit like faithful dogs at the feet of Henry and Werner's dinner table, grateful for the nice juicy scraps thrown down to them, whilst their owners eat the five courses that their working dogs actually paid for, laughing at how compliant and well trained their pooches are.

Klopp will complete his seven years, and leave with praise for winning whatever he does win against the odds, which will have actually been odds of LFC's own choosing, having chosen not to invest everything possible in the squad to increase the chances of trophies.

I'm not being part of that. I cannot take the same enjoyment out of actively following FSG's LFC, given my view of their motives and priorities.

I acknowledged the good work they did, I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But this summer has disgusted me and has killed all the enjoyment and pleasure I took from the CL win. I don't even trust Klopp's motives and part in what FSG are doing any more.

My views are my views and they won't change, so I'll put my money where my mouth is.

I've followed the club all my life, and will always love the reds. But I'm not being part of the feathering of FSG's nest. I didn't renew my club membership and won't go to a match this season.

And given my strong views on all this, I agree that all my contributions to these forums will be tainted by it.

So I'll leave this place well alone and may well actually depart for good.

Which I guess is what the FSG luvvies have always wanted.
get help mate.

seriously .

You've taken paranoia to a whole new level .



off to withdraw my fsg bonus funds.
 

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Anyone blaming the owners for our lack of transfer activity need to have a word with themselves.

Money's always been there for transfers under FSG, it's absolutely silly to suggest they've turn off the tap now when we're in our best moment in years.

Personally I wasn't even asking for a starting XI, expensive signing this window. Just some striker and full-back cover. The fact we're gambling on Firmino and our full-backs staying fit and healthy for the full season is on Klopp and CEO Moore.
Klopp and Edwards - Moore keeps out of transfers.
 

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RedForever has indicted he wishes to leave the site, and has requested his account be deleted. So let’s not lay into him and take the piss if he isn’t here to respond.

Personally I don’t want to take the piss, although there is plenty in his valedictory that is lamentable nonsense. For me it’s a tragedy that this is what football, in it’s present 24/7 365 days a year everything is content guise, is doing to increasing numbers of fans.

No-one should feel that their identity and well being is this tied into a football club. Nobody should be disgusted at anything to do with football (unless it does cross over into the real world), and certainly not whether a manager chooses to sign a new player or not. It’s too strong a word for something that is meant to be fun.

Too many people are taking this far too seriously. The fume over signings is simply mind-boggling. As it’s now at the point that winning the European Cup at getting the third highest points tally in league history can’t persuade some fans that people at the club know what they are doing, and are deserving of their trust, I think football is broken.
 

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get help mate.

seriously .

You've taken paranoia to a whole new level .
off to withdraw my fsg bonus funds.
But it's not paranoia when it's all true:shocked:;-)

Edited to add I didn't see the above post before posting :-(
 

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RedForever has indicted he wishes to leave the site, and has requested his account be deleted. So let’s not lay into him and take the piss if he isn’t here to respond.

Personally I don’t want to take the piss, although there is plenty in his valedictory that is lamentable nonsense. For me it’s a tragedy that this is what football, in it’s present 24/7 365 days a year everything is content guise, is doing to increasing numbers of fans.

No-one should feel that their identity and well being is this tied into a football club. Nobody should be disgusted at anything to do with football (unless it does cross over into the real world), and certainly not whether a manager chooses to sign a new player or not. It’s too strong a word for something that is meant to be fun.

Too many people are taking this far too seriously. The fume over signings is simply mind-boggling. As it’s now at the point that winning the European Cup at getting the third highest points tally in league history can’t persuade some fans that people at the club know what they are doing, and are deserving of their trust, I think football is broken.
I'm seeing it everywhere . People losing their heads over a lack of signings . I remember us signing dross under souness and diao , diouf and cheyrou! under houllier .

Signings don;t always make the team stronger .

seriously Redforever needs help if things to do with the club are affecting him so badly . Perhaps he has other stuff going on that we don't know about .

Hope he's okay .
 

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I'm sorry that RedForever feels that way and would like to apologise to him if any of my responses have contributed to that. There are criticisms of the club that he has made that I endorse and have voiced myself but he has always engaged with civility with me, even on issues that we disagree on. He has been on these forums for some time now and his views are well-known. I hope that he can just take a break from it for a bit because a critiquing voice is needed and certainly one that can express himself as eloquently as he can. I think the issue we've arrived at is that the impact of what he says has become diluted by its repetition. There's a certain amount of jaded apathy on both sides which is a huge shame as he obviously has great passion for Liverpool Football Club and a very good understanding of its history and its present; it would be a great shame if that passion is being diminished. Equally, it is a shame that what he has to say is increasingly dismissed because then who will then heed the warning signs he might legitimately point to in the future?

If RedForever does take some time away from the site I hope it's not permanent and that he can spend it watching our club go from strength to strength off and on the pitch.
 

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I'm seeing it everywhere . People losing their heads over a lack of signings . I remember us signing dross under souness and diao , diouf and cheyrou! under houllier .

Signings don;t always make the team stronger .

seriously Redforever needs help if things to do with the club are affecting him so badly . Perhaps he has other stuff going on that we don't know about .

Hope he's okay .
I don’t think it’s really about signings. I think it’s a symptom of football becoming an all consuming content behemoth. I’m surprised Virgil can go for a shit without cameras following him and uploading it on Instagram, before a panel of ex-players convenes to discuss what the shape of the turd indicates about the coming season.

The transfer window has become a massive industry in itself, so there is no surprise that fans are getting swept up in something that is supposed to be secondary to the actual football.

Honestly if it wasn’t transfers it would be something else.
 

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All that said, after years of dining at the kiddie table when it comes to transfers, I would have liked to see a transfer that reflected a new era. For years, the club legitimately could not afford an elite player, either due to direct financial constraints, or the simple fact that with LFC not being seen as a legitimate destination for elite players, attracting them would have required blowing apart a wage structure that was carefully being built to assure future prosperity. Window after window, there was a reminder of LFC's current place in the football world. That has changed. Financially, the resources are there, and the club are the defending champions of Europe.

I like the long-term focus of most of our deals, but in the near-term there are some weaknesses if not gaps in the squad. Four years ago, I would have found it hard to believe that the summer after we won our next European Cup, our incoming transfer business would be a couple of million Euros for a 17 year old and a youth player on a tribunal basis.
 

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I was certainly disgusted during the g+h era, as I felt that they were seriously undermining the club as an institution. It made me sick to see how they were destroying the prospects of LFC, hurting so many people on their lousy short-term ways.

But fsg are clearly another kettle of fish. Through their commitment towards the new main stand, the uniting of Melwood and Kirkby, the prudent rebuild of the club after a catastrophic period, the appointment of one of the very best managers in business, and backing him in the last years to get some fantastic players, they have proven without a doubt that they aren't in it for profit only.

Their aim is being successful in the long term (as announced when they came in). Maybe that's what irks off some fans.

Just like Klopp, I am completely on board with this. Recent results have proven that it is the right approach. We'll no doubt reap the fruits in the next years.
 

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We all always want to sign player X for ££££££ because we’re human football fans. Sad that RF is leaving as a respectful poster with radical ideas always makes for a bit more fun in life. If you’re reading this mate, don’t go too far away :) We’ll never agree but if we all do, there’s no debate.
 

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The money was there
I don’t think it’s really about signings. I think it’s a symptom of football becoming an all consuming content behemoth. I’m surprised Virgil can go for a shit without cameras following him and uploading it on Instagram, before a panel of ex-players convenes to discuss what the shape of the turd indicates about the coming season.

The transfer window has become a massive industry in itself, so there is no surprise that fans are getting swept up in something that is supposed to be secondary to the actual football.

Honestly if it wasn’t transfers it would be something else.
I agree....

How many "Salah isn't smiling" posts do we get per season in the post match threads
 

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All that said, after years of dining at the kiddie table when it comes to transfers, I would have liked to see a transfer that reflected a new era. For years, the club legitimately could not afford an elite player, either due to direct financial constraints, or the simple fact that with LFC not being seen as a legitimate destination for elite players, attracting them would have required blowing apart a wage structure that was carefully being built to assure future prosperity. Window after window, there was a reminder of LFC's current place in the football world. That has changed. Financially, the resources are there, and the club are the defending champions of Europe.

I like the long-term focus of most of our deals, but in the near-term there are some weaknesses if not gaps in the squad. Four years ago, I would have found it hard to believe that the summer after we won our next European Cup, our incoming transfer business would be a couple of million Euros for a 17 year old and a youth player on a tribunal basis.
I would think next summer might be the time they announce those kinds of big signings. Just like Spurs are having a bit of a spend now.
 

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Some people on here throwing their gamepads out their man caves. The new generation wanting their clubs spending for spending's sake. Spend 90 million on a winger that will be benched. If FSG are getting criticised for their business model then we really are in the shit. Have a Solero and STFU. I think we're blessed, but that's just my opinion.
 

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No-one should feel that their identity and well being is this tied into a football club. Nobody should be disgusted at anything to do with football (unless it does cross over into the real world), and certainly not whether a manager chooses to sign a new player or not. It’s too strong a word for something that is meant to be fun.

Too many people are taking this far too seriously. The fume over signings is simply mind-boggling. As it’s now at the point that winning the European Cup at getting the third highest points tally in league history can’t persuade some fans that people at the club know what they are doing, and are deserving of their trust, I think football is broken.
This is the world we live in. I agree that professional sports should be an outlet from the stressors of everyday life. I look at Twitter during the work week and see thousands of average people arguing about what 22 millionaires are doing on a football pitch. The lines between reality and pro sports become blurred, and often times the public tie too much of our identity and ethos into a professional, money making entity, in which they have no control or say. It's fascinating to watch. It's an interesting cultural and psychological study, really.

As for RedForever, I do respect his stance and his opinions and I wish he wouldn't have deleted his account.
 

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Honestly, if I am the owner, I would be concerned if my manager needs to spend 100mil net on new players every season. It would be what the hell, you mean all the money you spend every season for the last many seasons, and you are still telling me you cannot get it right? Why are we spending salaries on coaches etc? Is so that you can build sustainably over a period of time and reduce the dependence to panic buying every single summer.
 

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Owners are in it for profit....... well of course, they are business people, they want to make a sustainable product and we are that. Liverpool as a brand combined with Jurgen Klopp has seen dividends being made on and off the pitch. The thing with the owners is, they have left the scouting and purchasing decisions to Michael Edwards and Jurgens staff.

I feel it is not wrong to want transfers and then asking questions as to why recruiting isn't done or what not, blindly just following along shouldn't be the agenda here, cause the last time this happened, hicks and gillett took us into the depths of...... whatever hodgsons era was. Hell, i would argue, had we spent more time trying to convince Alonso to stay and not pursue fucking Barry and then panic buying Aquilani, maybe our decline wouldn't have been that much more expedited.

With everything, the owners have done things to make this squad relevant. When the money was asked for Van Dijk and Alisson, they came through, when Keita became available and it took a fee, we got him, same with Salah (not as expensive but still). More or less when it has been called upon them to spend, they have spent, and sure its not the ludicrous amounts United , City and Chelsea have spent, but its been targeted at important things. Lets put this another way, Carroll is a example of the owners growth here. We deadline day jumped the gun to buy carroll as a torres replacement,we also bought suarez in that window mind you. People then criticised us for over spending on Carroll and ridiculed the whole thing and it ended up being a move we should not have done. How about the Stewart Downing situation? So they learnt from all that , worked to build the whole situation from the ground up by trying a few things and we had mixed results under Brendan. Coutinho and sturridge being absolute hits at the time, lallana being a reasonable player, Lovren is still here and of course Firmino who has proven to be vital. Then we enter the Klopp era and things go right one by one, and we start to hit, Mane, Wijnaldum, Robertson, etc. We start getting transfers right and it culminates in two huge coups in world football in Van Dijk and Alisson. I know we sold players and net spend and all that , but if you think about the business we have done over the last few seasons, i think for this one window , we should give the transfer team the benefit of the doubt.

The sun obviously doesn't shine out of the owners arse here and I'm sure not all the money in the world is being made available here. But at the same time, the owners have shown they trust Klopp and Edwards to make footballing decisions and if they don't have a particular player they want , they would sound it out to the owners, Adrian moving in as soon as Mignolet left showed that once there was a glaring need , we acted upon it. So that just proves , if it comes down to a transfer decision, the people in charge are Edwards and Klopp.
 

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News to me. Last I heard of MG was that Rover sort of had a bit of a go to try to rekindle it, then it all fell by the wayside, Rover, MG, the lot. I thought MG were dead and buried. We could be about to launch another famous comeback... Istanbul... Origi and Barcelona... and now MG.

Get in!
 

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I hope Redforever14 comes back. He was always a very respectful poster. I didn't always agree with him , but it is always good to have diverse and different opinions in the TIA.

@Redforever14, I hope you come back after a break away from here.

Right now, I feel underwhelmed with this summer transfer window. We could have at least signed one experienced player.

Klopp was feeling in a very "bullish" mood in his press conference. He knows what he is doing.
 

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I thought Red Forever had a reasonable enough view i.e. we need a couple of signings. A lot of people felt the same way. Not "need" as in "we are desperate, and a bit rubbish" but "need" as in "let's kick on from a position of strength."

So that part of the argument was fair enough.

Where it slightly lost its way was with reading intent or insider knowledge into the happenings. The fact that we didn't spend much money was taken as proof positive that the owners are pocketing cash, or clipping the manager's wings. The speculation then went even further to suggest that Jurgen was in on it all, with a healthy financial bonus coming his way for keeping the spending level down.

That sort of stuff lost me, and I try to be fair minded towards my fellow reds. It all started to sound a bit too conspiratorial, and also repetitive (though most of us are guilty of being a little repetitive to be fair).

Here's what we know from Jurgen's tenure:

He will work with players and give them a chance if he thinks they can make the grade. That's a big part of the collective spirit he has fostered. He improves players through coaching, whether they are coming through or seasoned internationals. If he feels it needs more, and a deal is there to be done, he will enter the market decisively. Sometimes it's a canny acquisition at low cost, so fans should be careful about equating cost with value. On the other hand, sometimes he has spent big money to really see the team kick on - world record fee at the time for a defender, and also for a goalkeeper. We have improved year on year, are current European Champions, and were very narrowly beaten to the Prem title after getting a record 97 points.

My own take is that the market has gone mad, and from a position of strength we decided to (by and large) sit it out. I'm pretty sure money is there if the right deal comes along, and I fully expect us to be in there when that time comes. In the meantime we have kept our excellent side together, Keita is now integrated and we should expect more, Ox is back from injury, a hungry Brewster is ready to make his mark, and if any of them fail to step up, we've got a lad with a topknot waiting in the wings, with bollocks the size of a space hopper, who will come in and show them all how it's done!

It's time to settle down and enjoy the action, starting with Norwich tomorrow. I can't wait!
 
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