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Liverpool are set to end Wales winger Ben Woodburn's loan spell at Sheffield United and will consider enquiries from Blackburn Rovers, Brentford and Hull City for the 19-year-old. (Goal)
He will never make it here which is a shame.

I really feel we need at least one top class player in to win the league.
 

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He will never make it here which is a shame.

I really feel we need at least one top class player in to win the league.

I tend to agree. Great shame that Ben`s progress seemed to stall. This is often the case with young players. Some come through a quiet season and pick up again but many just have to settle for a lower level. Often it is a physical thing. Some suddenly become very tall and lose co ordination and others become more " chunky" and lose a bit of sharpness, pace. Others just lose a bit of their appetite for the game or the hard work involved. All natural things .
I would love to see Ben bounce back. Conner Coady is a classic example of a player who just kept working and doing his best and made the grade through hard work.
 

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I tend to agree. Great shame that Ben`s progress seemed to stall. This is often the case with young players. Some come through a quiet season and pick up again but many just have to settle for a lower level. Often it is a physical thing. Some suddenly become very tall and lose co ordination and others become more " chunky" and lose a bit of sharpness, pace. Others just lose a bit of their appetite for the game or the hard work involved. All natural things .
I would love to see Ben bounce back. Conner Coady is a classic example of a player who just kept working and doing his best and made the grade through hard work.
Its why I never get excited when people say "they are banging them in for the ressies" or whatever it is these days.
The difference is night and day between the level they are great at and first team.
I find it staggering when people say Brewster is nearly fit - he is a kid. He has potential but would you want him thrown in the team on a title run? I wouldnt.

I go and watch Leyton Orient and 2 years ago they had a kid in the reserves who was scoring 50 goals a season in the u/18. They promoted him to first team and he scored 2 mins into his debut against Crawley. But that was it. 2nd division meat headed centre halfs knocked him all over the place. He never scored another goal or looked like it after. For some reason Leeds United bought him. Where is he now? No idea.
 

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Its why I never get excited when people say "they are banging them in for the ressies" or whatever it is these days.
The difference is night and day between the level they are great at and first team.
I find it staggering when people say Brewster is nearly fit - he is a kid. He has potential but would you want him thrown in the team on a title run? I wouldnt.
As good Ben is there was always those comments about him potentially struggling with the physical side of the game when he stepped up a level due to his size and lack of speed. The same can't be said of Brewster, who is more akin to Trent or Sterling.

Trent and Sterling happen to be the two best players I've seen at youth level for us and they're the two who have proven good enough for top flight football, Suso is in the top 5 too and he's having a pretty good career. It's not quite as much of a lottery as is made out, these kids just need the opportunity to show it.
 

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As good Ben is there was always those comments about him potentially struggling with the physical side of the game when he stepped up a level due to his size and lack of speed. The same can't be said of Brewster, who is more akin to Trent or Sterling.

Trent and Sterling happen to be the two best players I've seen at youth level for us and they're the two who have proven good enough for top flight football, Suso is in the top 5 too and he's having a pretty good career. It's not quite as much of a lottery as is made out, these kids just need the opportunity to show it.
its a tricky one. They need the game time but unfortunately for them we are going for the title.
Thats why its a shame in a way we went out of the league and fa cup so early as they could play in that.
To say to Brewster - no pressure but you need to perform today as Salah is out and we need a goal is huge pressure on him. He may thrive in it but it could also damage him.
 

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its a tricky one. They need the game time but unfortunately for them we are going for the title.
Thats why its a shame in a way we went out of the league and fa cup so early as they could play in that.
To say to Brewster - no pressure but you need to perform today as Salah is out and we need a goal is huge pressure on him. He may thrive in it but it could also damage him.
I'd be using Brewster as I think he'd be more useful than some of our current options in certain situations. If we were looking for pace in behind and hard work in a particular game he'd be a much better choice than Sturridge. It's not a case of giving him minutes just for the sake of it. I'm not worried about putting pressure on him, at some point you have to expose these lads to it and Brewster doesn't come across as fragile, quite the opposite if anything.

That being said we still don't know when he will be fully fit so it's all hypothetical at this point.
 

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James Tarkowski? the latest one to make the rounds. And for 50 mil ? Burnley must be hard strapped for cash if this is what is being spread around these days, also i need to ask, is it the players that made Burnleys defence look good last season or was it Sean Dyches doing? IF so Tarkowski doesn't fit our style of play does he? Also its annoying to me how we are not looking into attacking players at this point of the market. I think Shaqiri is great and all, but Lallana , Sturridge and Origi are simply not reliable down the stretch.
 

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James Tarkowski? the latest one to make the rounds. And for 50 mil ? Burnley must be hard strapped for cash if this is what is being spread around these days, also i need to ask, is it the players that made Burnleys defence look good last season or was it Sean Dyches doing? IF so Tarkowski doesn't fit our style of play does he? Also its annoying to me how we are not looking into attacking players at this point of the market. I think Shaqiri is great and all, but Lallana , Sturridge and Origi are simply not reliable down the stretch.
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As good Ben is there was always those comments about him potentially struggling with the physical side of the game when he stepped up a level due to his size and lack of speed. The same can't be said of Brewster, who is more akin to Trent or Sterling.

Trent and Sterling happen to be the two best players I've seen at youth level for us and they're the two who have proven good enough for top flight football, Suso is in the top 5 too and he's having a pretty good career. It's not quite as much of a lottery as is made out, these kids just need the opportunity to show it.
Where is Pacheco? Every time I watched him I was sure he was destined for greatness!
 

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He will never make it here which is a shame.

I really feel we need at least one top class player in to win the league.
The trend so far under Klopp is that once a player goes out on loan their chances of making it at the club are slim to none. He puts a lot of emphasis on tactical coaching after all.

Notably, the only young players to have made the club recently are Trent and Gomez - two players who didn't go on loan.

In contrast, there's a long list of players who have gone on loan and haven't made the grade. Origi is the only exception to have gone on loan and still at the club, but he's unlikely to be around much longer either given that the club has accepted bids for him as recently as 6 months ago.

It'll be interesting to see how things play out with Wilson and Grujic. They have the best chances of any players loaned out in recent times to make the squad, but even for them they are up against it.
 

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James Tarkowski? the latest one to make the rounds. And for 50 mil ? Burnley must be hard strapped for cash if this is what is being spread around these days, also i need to ask, is it the players that made Burnleys defence look good last season or was it Sean Dyches doing? IF so Tarkowski doesn't fit our style of play does he? Also its annoying to me how we are not looking into attacking players at this point of the market. I think Shaqiri is great and all, but Lallana , Sturridge and Origi are simply not reliable down the stretch.
Think it's safe to say that Klopp is going to want to replace those players in the summer, particularly Sturridge/Origi/Solanke.

Lallana may yet be kept around for another season, but with Ox coming back you'd think his role would be further diminished. Still, a good depth player to have, if a little bit unreliable fitness wise.

That said, a top quality attacking signing could replace all 4 aforementioned players in one swoop. For instance, a player like Werner would certainly have more impact on the squad than the group I mentioned, given their respective minutes this season:

Minutes in PL + CL:
Origi - 72 + 11
Lallana - 202 + 101
Sturridge - 264 + 155
Solanke - 0 + 0
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Total 538 + 267 = 805 mins

That's a total of 538 PL minutes, or about 6 full 90 minutes games in the league.

In total across PL and CL that's 805 minutes, or about 9 full 90 min games.

Again, that sort of impact on the squad is EASILY replaceable with one quality player.

Granted, you don't want to leave yourself too short squad number wise, but signing of one really good player and supplementing the squad with the Wilson's, Grujic's, and Brewsters is a better plan.
 

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The trend so far under Klopp is that once a player goes out on loan their chances of making it at the club are slim to none. He puts a lot of emphasis on tactical coaching after all.

Notably, the only young players to have made the club recently are Trent and Gomez - two players who didn't go on loan.
This is mostly a reflection on the low probability of kids making the step up, not a reflection of any unfavourable view of Klopp has of kids who go on loan.
 
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That's a cool, Fowleresque finish starting at 4:20. Though also a bit of poor defending.
Looks like a decent option to backup Firmino, given that they effectively both play the No.10 position with wide forwards ahead of them.
 

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Havertz looks class. Looks like he could be an upgrade/replacement for Lallana. Are there any rumours though :think:
 

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The trend so far under Klopp is that once a player goes out on loan their chances of making it at the club are slim to none. He puts a lot of emphasis on tactical coaching after all.

Notably, the only young players to have made the club recently are Trent and Gomez - two players who didn't go on loan.

In contrast, there's a long list of players who have gone on loan and haven't made the grade. Origi is the only exception to have gone on loan and still at the club, but he's unlikely to be around much longer either given that the club has accepted bids for him as recently as 6 months ago.

It'll be interesting to see how things play out with Wilson and Grujic. They have the best chances of any players loaned out in recent times to make the squad, but even for them they are up against it.
I think someone from Hertha Berlin was recently asked whether they wanted Grujic for next season and answered that Klopp wants him at Anfield to back up the midfield. Could of course be a bluff, but i wouldnt rule out players who go on loan as being permanently out of Klopp's plans.
 

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I think someone from Hertha Berlin was recently asked whether they wanted Grujic for next season and answered that Klopp wants him at Anfield to back up the midfield. Could of course be a bluff, but i wouldnt rule out players who go on loan as being permanently out of Klopp's plans.
I imagine the player on loan would need to get himself noticed with a string of good performances. Hard to know if any if our loanees aside from Wilson are catching Klopps attention.
 

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I imagine the player on loan would need to get himself noticed with a string of good performances. Hard to know if any if our loanees aside from Wilson are catching Klopps attention.
Prior to his injury Grujic was reportedly putting in some good performances from what i recall.
 

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I imagine the player on loan would need to get himself noticed with a string of good performances. Hard to know if any if our loanees aside from Wilson are catching Klopps attention.

Ryan Kent is playing very well at Rangers. It seems the Gers want to sign him permanently.
 

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Ryan Kent is playing very well at Rangers. It seems the Gers want to sign him permanently.
Have they got that much to spend? I could see a team from the Championship being able to afford more and knowing Edwards he will want around £10m for him.