The Unreliable Rumours Thread

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I don't buy into that 100%

Yes I agree that he shouldn't be thrown in as a starter, but if he is good enough then he would have been picking up minutes off the bench late in games rather than having to drop the likes of Milner or Henderson to cover at RB
I thinks its a case of managing the risk myself. Milner or Henderson in there are known quantities and Klopp knows what he is going to get out of them. Camacho or Curtis Jones or Woodburn, even, are just risky. Young players are going to be targeted and they might cope or they might have a made like TAA did at Old Trafford last season. That's no slight on their ability but at this point, and we have been at this point for ages given City's form, there is simply no margin for error and no real margin for unnecessary risks either.
 

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I thinks its a case of managing the risk myself. Milner or Henderson in there are known quantities and Klopp knows what he is going to get out of them. Camacho or Curtis Jones or Woodburn, even, are just risky. Young players are going to be targeted and they might cope or they might have a made like TAA did at Old Trafford last season. That's no slight on their ability but at this point, and we have been at this point for ages given City's form, there is simply no margin for error and no real margin for unnecessary risks either.
Pretty sure Woodburn can't even be an option from the bench in the Premier League.
 

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I don't buy into that 100%

Yes I agree that he shouldn't be thrown in as a starter, but if he is good enough then he would have been picking up minutes off the bench late in games rather than having to drop the likes of Milner or Henderson to cover at RB
We've been picking up wins in recent games only fairly late into the game, so it's unlikely that he would get playing time based on that. Secondly, as others have mentioned, Klopp does prefer to go to his more reliable players when possible, so it's unclear quite how he fits on to the bench.
 

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If that’s the case, the author of the article hasn’t done their homework.

I wouldn't believe it, not whilst they still have the 2 window transfer ban hanging over them as if they sell him then they can't replace him except with someone already signed at the club. Same with Hazard being linked to Madrid, I can't see them agreeing to sell him unless they have the ban overturned.
 

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I wouldn't believe it, not whilst they still have the 2 window transfer ban hanging over them as if they sell him then they can't replace him except with someone already signed at the club. Same with Hazard being linked to Madrid, I can't see them agreeing to sell him unless they have the ban overturned.
It'll almost certainly be delayed by a year meaning they'll get to make signings this summer. Both Hudson-Odoi and Hazard only have one year left on their deals and may be unwilling to extend. If they sell the two this summer they will probably still get high fees due to their profiles. That will likely help them spend big this summer so they can cope with not being able to sign anyone the next two windows. I know they'd be getting compensation for Hudson-Odoi the following summer if he stays but it won't do them much good then if they can't bring anyone in.
 

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It'll almost certainly be delayed by a year meaning they'll get to make signings this summer. Both Hudson-Odoi and Hazard only have one year left on their deals and may be unwilling to extend. If they sell the two this summer they will probably still get high fees due to their profiles. That will likely help them spend big this summer so they can cope with not being able to sign anyone the next two windows. I know they'd be getting compensation for Hudson-Odoi the following summer if he stays but it won't do them much good then if they can't bring anyone in.
That is the thing though, the appeal process is getting sped through to be heard asap so that they can't use the appeal process to put the ban on hold. From memory I think the appeal is due to be heard in May, which if they lose that, then the ban carries on with the possibility of having the ban extended for making a false appeal like what happened to Atletico Madrid
 

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That is the thing though, the appeal process is getting sped through to be heard asap so that they can't use the appeal process to put the ban on hold. From memory I think the appeal is due to be heard in May, which if they lose that, then the ban carries on with the possibility of having the ban extended for making a false appeal like what happened to Atletico Madrid
If they don't get their way in May I think they can take it to CAS who will definitely not get it resolved before the window opens. Whilst with CAS any punishment will be delayed till they decide. Sure that's the case although we have @Kopstar around to correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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I really don't get what's going on with the Clyne situation. Am I missing something? I think he is a pretty decent and reliable backup player. Don't see any reason why we should get rid of him, especially because we don't have any proper RB at the moment. Camacho is a rigth footed winger, Milner is a CM, Gomez is much better as a CB and Hoever is way too young yet. It's not like there's a really good RB backup avaiable out there.
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About Grujic and Wilson, I get it. I think Grujic has more chances to stay, but Wilson is a tricky one. He is great with set pieces and long shots, but I don't see him briging more to his game besides that. But in truth, I haven't seen him that much. I think he could still develop, though, especially under Klopp's guidance.

Lallana is a no brainer. He can't stay fit, he plays one good game and three bad ones and we need to bring more creativity in the middle of the park. Lallana should be the one to do that, but he can't deliver on a regular basis. Out. Make space for a better and more consistent player, especially because Ox looks injury prone. We miss him a lot.

I'd also get rid of Origi, but I can see him staying next season, so fine as long as we bring another winger.

As I said before, I think we won't spend too much next season, we might look for quality instead of quantity, so a few players (namely Milner, Origi, Lovren/Matip) might stay one more season.
The thing about Lallana that needs to be remembered is that he’s English and with squads having to have a certain quota, he has value based on that alone.
 

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That is the thing though, the appeal process is getting sped through to be heard asap so that they can't use the appeal process to put the ban on hold. From memory I think the appeal is due to be heard in May, which if they lose that, then the ban carries on with the possibility of having the ban extended for making a false appeal like what happened to Atletico Madrid
The appeal is being heard this Thursday (it's still within FIFA at the moment). If Chelsea wish to challenge the outcome of that appeal then they'll go to CAS. Chelsea would almost certainly seek a provisional suspension of any sanction from CAS (which they'd get) whilst the process then went through their procedures. They'd then have 8 weeks to complete the process before the international transfer window opens (9 June this year). That could just be possible but it's touch and go.
 

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The appeal is being heard this Thursday (it's still within FIFA at the moment). If Chelsea wish to challenge the outcome of that appeal then they'll go to CAS. Chelsea would almost certainly seek a provisional suspension of any sanction from CAS (which they'd get) whilst the process then went through their procedures. They'd then have 8 weeks to complete the process before the international transfer window opens (9 June this year). That could just be possible but it's touch and go.
You mean touch and go that they might be able to extend the appeals process out long enough to be able to purchase in this window regardless of the outcome of the decisions and appeals?
 

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You mean touch and go that they might be able to extend the appeals process out long enough to be able to purchase in this window regardless of the outcome of the decisions and appeals?
Yes, if I were Chelsea I think I'd try to delay as much as possible because in theory an expedited process could conclude before 9 June. Try to ensure the process was still incomplete into the window and preferably beyond 30 June otherwise they're going to stuffed.

(Assuming that a ban is still going to be enforced at the end of it all)
 

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Yes, if I were Chelsea I think I'd try to delay as much as possible because in theory an expedited process could conclude before 9 June. Try to ensure the process was still incomplete into the window and preferably beyond 30 June otherwise they're going to stuffed.

(Assuming that a ban is still going to be enforced at the end of it all)
Are there many major cases that have been overturned? It seems the play book is to just play the clock out rather than trying a legit defenses that see the appeals win.
 
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Are there many major cases that have been overturned? It seems the play book is to just play the clock out rather than trying a legit defenses that see the appeals win.
The majority of appeals to CAS are unsuccessful but I don't know the full details of the Chelsea ban or their defence. Presumably one of their arguments will be that the rules are vague and open to interpretation in which case the principle of contra preferentum ought to apply (that any ambiguity is resolved against the party responsible for the drafting, in this case FIFA).

If it's a question of assessing a player's status then you can see how that might be open to interpretation but also abuse. As far as I know there isn't any existing CAS jurisprudence on the specific point (it's not the most accessible database and it's also incomplete - it's why the same lawyers are often repeatedly instructed because their own case files are more extensive than the published precedents alone).
 

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BBC gossip page:
Liverpool are considering a move for Ajax's Brazilian forward David Neres, 22, with Merseyside rivals Everton also interested. (Mirror)
West Ham are leading the race to Liverpool's English right-back Nathaniel Clyne, 28, who is currently on loan at Bournemouth. (Football Insider)
 

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David Neres... interesting.

I’m late to the party and have only very recently seen a bit of him at Ajax as the CL has progressed. How versatile is he, for those who know more than me? Can he cover wing and through the middle? And he looked like he had decent pace and skill to me, but what are his strengths, for those who might have seen more of him than me?

I’m a sucker for a good transfer rumor though, so I’m on board with this... or Bergwijn... or Werner.
 

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BBC gossip page:
Liverpool are considering a move for Ajax's Brazilian forward David Neres, 22, with Merseyside rivals Everton also interested. (Mirror)
If that is true and those are the two choices he has to make, and if he takes more than 5 seconds to make up his mind, I don't think we should sign him ever......
 

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Neres scored an outstanding goal yesterday.
From what I've seen of him looks like quite a good fit and is also Brazilian :well done:

Really want us to sign Hakim Ziyech too
 

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Not sure if the club were ever linked with him, but a lot of fans were ramping him up 2 or 3 years ago as someone we needed to look at getting
Yes, that might have been where i heard the name from.

Are you thinking of Neves at Wolves?
No, although that did cross my mind when i was trying to remember.
 

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David Neres... interesting.

I’m late to the party and have only very recently seen a bit of him at Ajax as the CL has progressed. How versatile is he, for those who know more than me? Can he cover wing and through the middle? And he looked like he had decent pace and skill to me, but what are his strengths, for those who might have seen more of him than me?

I’m a sucker for a good transfer rumor though, so I’m on board with this... or Bergwijn... or Werner.
Neres is a very, versatile player. He used to play for São Paulo as a right winger, but he soon was sold to Ajax. At Ajax, in 16/17 and 17/18 he played as a right winger mostly, but in 18/19, Ziyech went to the right winger and Neres to the left winger, but has played a few games as a number 8 in 4-3-3. Now he plays mostly on the left wing.

He is a good dribbler, has some good pace and his movement is also very good for a teenager. Even though he's scored a lot of goals in the past 2 years, I'd say he is not exactly a great finisher. Oh, and I think he could bulk a little bit more, I think he would suffer a little bit in England.

As a Brazilian, I'm kind of surprised about how good he looks, especially in big games.

But if we are looking for a versatile winger, with great dribbling and a better finisher, I'd totally recommend Grêmio's Everton. He is better than Neres imo, a more complete player and more decisive. He is the best player in Brazil for the past two years. He's been linked with City and Milan and 100% will leave in the summer. I think he might be on the same level as Mané, or pretty close, but with better dribbling skills and finishing.
 

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Neres is a very, versatile player. He used to play for São Paulo as a right winger, but he soon was sold to Ajax. At Ajax, in 16/17 and 17/18 he played as a right winger mostly, but in 18/19, Ziyech went to the right winger and Neres to the left winger, but has played a few games as a number 8 in 4-3-3. Now he plays mostly on the left wing.

He is a good dribbler, has some good pace and his movement is also very good for a teenager. Even though he's scored a lot of goals in the past 2 years, I'd say he is not exactly a great finisher. Oh, and I think he could bulk a little bit more, I think he would suffer a little bit in England.

As a Brazilian, I'm kind of surprised about how good he looks, especially in big games.

But if we are looking for a versatile winger, with great dribbling and a better finisher, I'd totally recommend Grêmio's Everton. He is better than Neres imo, a more complete player and more decisive. He is the best player in Brazil for the past two years. He's been linked with City and Milan and 100% will leave in the summer. I think he might be on the same level as Mané, or pretty close, but with better dribbling skills and finishing.
Saying a young kid playing in Brazil is on the same level as Mane, but with better dribbling and finishing...I'd be surprised if any teenager anywhere could do the sort of things Mane does for us, but it's fair to say you have my attention.