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The Unreliable Rumours Thread

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With regards to de Ligt it's almost like the first half of the season has been forgotten. Gomez was absolutely fantastic. Yes he has had his injury problems but why would you bring in another young player in his position who would stunt his development?
I don't think it would stunt his development. We need to look at the bigger picture here and not just rely on our starting 11. What we need is a solid/reliable squad to carry us through the season. The more competent players we have, the more we will be allowed to rotate and avoid fatigue/injuries as well as compete in all cups. Lovren and Moreno are not reliable nor consistent for the past 5 years so regarding the defence, I don't see why we shouldn't bring in De Ligt if possible as well as backup for Robertson. It's about time Lovren and Moreno move on.
 


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They are smoking spice if they buy him for that

There was rumbles from athletico in the winter that they should have took the 90million and ran last year and he was not scoring or enjoying his football. One year later considering everything he is leaving for basically the same price barca are finished. He isn’t really what they need
They gave us140m quid for couninho so Its obviously more than spice that they are smoking
 

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I don't think it would stunt his development. We need to look at the bigger picture here and not just rely on our starting 11. What we need is a solid/reliable squad to carry us through the season. The more competent players we have, the more we will be allowed to rotate and avoid fatigue/injuries as well as compete in all cups. Lovren and Moreno are not reliable nor consistent for the past 5 years so regarding the defence, I don't see why we shouldn't bring in De Ligt if possible as well as backup for Robertson. It's about time Lovren and Moreno move on.
I'm all for a big squad mate. In fact I've been quite open about wanting more attacking players this summer so we can compete with Manchester City. The reason I would be against de Ligt is that I think it would be a waste of money at this time with what we already have. I also don't think Lovren will be sold.
 

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I don't think it would stunt his development. We need to look at the bigger picture here and not just rely on our starting 11. What we need is a solid/reliable squad to carry us through the season. The more competent players we have, the more we will be allowed to rotate and avoid fatigue/injuries as well as compete in all cups. Lovren and Moreno are not reliable nor consistent for the past 5 years so regarding the defence, I don't see why we shouldn't bring in De Ligt if possible as well as backup for Robertson. It's about time Lovren and Moreno move on.
If Gomez is fit and not being picked because we've spunked up £75m on another CB, then yes, it probably does stunt his development. CBs dont need to be rotated as frequently as other positions and keeping the same partnership in place is usually preferable. If De Ligt isnt being picked - then he is the one at risk of seeing his development stall.
 

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If Gomez is fit and not being picked because we've spunked up £75m on another CB, then yes, it probably does stunt his development. CBs dont need to be rotated as frequently as other positions and keeping the same partnership in place is usually preferable. If De Ligt isnt being picked - then he is the one at risk of seeing his development stall.
Not just De Ligt but any CB we bring in Gomez will have game time. First Klopp likes to slowly bring new signings in and introduce them after lots of time working with them (another benefit of any CB being young and under a long contract for the patience required for this). But conservative estimate we could well be playing 55-65 matches next season. Van Dijk has played too much this year at (probably) 50. Should really be 40-45 to keep him fit and sharp. That means there could be anywhere from 65 up to 90 starting slots for other CBs to play in. And it could be even more if we played every game that might be available to us or VvD picks up a knock somewhere and misses some. Bare minimum Gomez plays almost all his games at CB (and none at RB) without any major injury issues he gets maybe 35 starts and the new guy gets 30? I actually doubt even that happens which would mean some starts for Matip and maybe Hoever. It's much more likely they will all get more game time than they need.
 



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Griezmann, De Jong and De Ligt would be a great summer for Barca.

Also, the signing of Griezmann should keep them away from Mane/Salah.
 

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They are smoking spice if they buy him for that

There was rumbles from athletico in the winter that they should have took the 90million and ran last year and he was not scoring or enjoying his football. One year later considering everything he is leaving for basically the same price barca are finished. He isn’t really what they need
They gave us140m quid for couninho so Its obviously more than spice that they are smoking
 

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I mean, what if Griezmann is coming to Liverpool. Didn't he say he's ready to experience new things and for a new challenge? I don't know why he wouldn't just come out and say that he's joining Barcelona if it was that finalized.


He has tweeted about Liverpool in the past so it might now be that much of a stretch ....
 

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Not just De Ligt but any CB we bring in Gomez will have game time. First Klopp likes to slowly bring new signings in and introduce them after lots of time working with them (another benefit of any CB being young and under a long contract for the patience required for this). But conservative estimate we could well be playing 55-65 matches next season. Van Dijk has played too much this year at (probably) 50. Should really be 40-45 to keep him fit and sharp. That means there could be anywhere from 65 up to 90 starting slots for other CBs to play in. And it could be even more if we played every game that might be available to us or VvD picks up a knock somewhere and misses some. Bare minimum Gomez plays almost all his games at CB (and none at RB) without any major injury issues he gets maybe 35 starts and the new guy gets 30? I actually doubt even that happens which would mean some starts for Matip and maybe Hoever. It's much more likely they will all get more game time than they need.
Re Gomez and his development: A young player will find his development severely impaired if he isn't fit for half to two thirds of a season I would have thought. I think that we can put Joe in the 'injury prone' category now unfortunately. Re Lovren and his niggles: There comes a time when you have to admit to yourself that you're not getting value for money from a player because he's hardly fit to play. Re Matip and his availability and overall quality: It's true that we were lucky with his fitness levels in the latter half of the season and he did look good next to VVD, but then who doesn't?

Ask yourself this: If VVD wasn't in the lineup, would you trust either Lovren or Matip to do the job for us? I would not. Gomez? Probably, but again his injury record excludes him from the equation to a large extent. For me the conclusion is an obvious one. We need a quality CB to partner VVD who will actually STAY FIT for most of the season. Lovren would be the main loser here. He simply is not cost effective. He should be moved on if possible. Matip and Gomez would get plenty of opportunities next season even with a new CB in the squad. We are going to need 4 good CBs next time around, at least 2 of which should be fitness-reliable.
 

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David Ornstein reckons it's 2 in, a young left back or a versatile player that can play there and a versatile attacker. Also saying brandt definitely won't be happening.


Don't buy this at all.

Firstly, how does one journalist seem to know the exact desires of all of the top six, their budgets and who they're willing to move on?

Secondly, there's no way we've got a pot of £20m. We're selling Danny Ings for £20m and we sold Solanke for nearly that in January. Yes the outgoings over the last couple windows have been out biggest in history and yes we've spent a huge sum on agents fees too but, the last seasons our net spend is about £105m-£110m or £35m a season.

We've made some damn astute signings and got some great fees for players we didn't really need. This summer Sturridge will be off the books and Moreno too as well as fringe players like Clyne, maybe Lallana, Mignolet and one or two others as well.

We've been to two CL finals and qualified for the knockout stages for next year already guaranteeing us a reasonable wedge immediately. Add in the increased commercial deals and even accounting for some improved player deals, there's no chance we're brassic. There's a new kit deal being lined up for next year too that will be the biggest in the clubs history and possibly one of the biggest in the world.

If the message is out there that we're keeping the purse strings tight, it's because we've wanted that message to get out.
 



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This is very unreliable but we know that Liverpool like to come back for players they liked but couldn't previously sign... :)
I think RedForever2014 would have a complete meltdown if we paid "what it takes" to sign Mbappe haha. Talking £300mil I reckon.

Although there was rumors of PSG's owners walking away completely.. It's the hope that kills you!
 

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I don't think it would stunt his development. We need to look at the bigger picture here and not just rely on our starting 11. What we need is a solid/reliable squad to carry us through the season. The more competent players we have, the more we will be allowed to rotate and avoid fatigue/injuries as well as compete in all cups. Lovren and Moreno are not reliable nor consistent for the past 5 years so regarding the defence, I don't see why we shouldn't bring in De Ligt if possible as well as backup for Robertson. It's about time Lovren and Moreno move on.
That (the underlined) is not true, and it is not just not true at the absurd extremes. Just because you have the players to rotate does not mean that you will have no drop off. There is a sweet spot between having too few players to be able to cover for injuries and fatigue vs having more players than you can effectively use. As it stands, we have the best CB in the world. We have another young player only himself a year older than De Ligt, who before his injury repeatedly looked the more impressive of the two CBs. We also have Matip who for all his prior criticisms looked superb since getting back in the side and finally looking to be over his injury issues. Is there room for a 4th? Sure. Does it make sense for that person to cost a fee comparable or even more than VvD with the expectations that brings? I don't think it does. Not from a finance perspective (money is finite) nor from a personnel management perspective.
 

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I think RedForever2014 would have a complete meltdown if we paid "what it takes" to sign Mbappe haha. Talking £300mil I reckon.

Although there was rumors of PSG's owners walking away completely.. It's the hope that kills you!
Don’t worry- Agent Fabinho has been on the case all season.

Expect Mbappé to be announced on 2nd June.
 

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That (the underlined) is not true, and it is not just not true at the absurd extremes. Just because you have the players to rotate does not mean that you will have no drop off. There is a sweet spot between having too few players to be able to cover for injuries and fatigue vs having more players than you can effectively use. As it stands, we have the best CB in the world. We have another young player only himself a year older than De Ligt, who before his injury repeatedly looked the more impressive of the two CBs. We also have Matip who for all his prior criticisms looked superb since getting back in the side and finally looking to be over his injury issues. Is there room for a 4th? Sure. Does it make sense for that person to cost a fee comparable or even more than VvD with the expectations that brings? I don't think it does. Not from a finance perspective (money is finite) nor from a personnel management perspective.
Exactly - City with all their resources have had Fabian Delph and a raft of others at left back all season. They also had to play Stones as DM when Fernandinho got injured. There is only so much top tier depth you can retain without impacting on squad unhappiness.

It's why I think we keep going for multi-flexible players.. Fabinho plays no.6, no.8, right back and center back for example.

I would like to replace Lovren though.
 



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Hahaha- just had a peek at Oddschecker and we are second favourites (after Real Madrid) to sign Mbappé.


It’s on!!!!
 

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Not just De Ligt but any CB we bring in Gomez will have game time. First Klopp likes to slowly bring new signings in and introduce them after lots of time working with them (another benefit of any CB being young and under a long contract for the patience required for this). But conservative estimate we could well be playing 55-65 matches next season. Van Dijk has played too much this year at (probably) 50. Should really be 40-45 to keep him fit and sharp.
Where does this number come from? This means that if he played every league game this season he would have to sit out the entire group stage of the CL on a CL final run, and play in not a single other cup game to stay in even the upper level of that limit. There is no basis for thinking a first choice CB should be so voluntarily restricted.
 

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Don't buy this at all.

Firstly, how does one journalist seem to know the exact desires of all of the top six, their budgets and who they're willing to move on?

Secondly, there's no way we've got a pot of £20m. We're selling Danny Ings for £20m and we sold Solanke for nearly that in January. Yes the outgoings over the last couple windows have been out biggest in history and yes we've spent a huge sum on agents fees too but, the last seasons our net spend is about £105m-£110m or £35m a season.

We've made some damn astute signings and got some great fees for players we didn't really need. This summer Sturridge will be off the books and Moreno too as well as fringe players like Clyne, maybe Lallana, Mignolet and one or two others as well.

We've been to two CL finals and qualified for the knockout stages for next year already guaranteeing us a reasonable wedge immediately. Add in the increased commercial deals and even accounting for some improved player deals, there's no chance we're brassic. There's a new kit deal being lined up for next year too that will be the biggest in the clubs history and possibly one of the biggest in the world.

If the message is out there that we're keeping the purse strings tight, it's because we've wanted that message to get out.

Yeah it makes zero sense and I agree with you , just posted it because Ornstein and the BBC are somewhat reliable.
 

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Don't buy this at all.

Firstly, how does one journalist seem to know the exact desires of all of the top six, their budgets and who they're willing to move on?

Secondly, there's no way we've got a pot of £20m. We're selling Danny Ings for £20m and we sold Solanke for nearly that in January. Yes the outgoings over the last couple windows have been out biggest in history and yes we've spent a huge sum on agents fees too but, the last seasons our net spend is about £105m-£110m or £35m a season.

We've made some damn astute signings and got some great fees for players we didn't really need. This summer Sturridge will be off the books and Moreno too as well as fringe players like Clyne, maybe Lallana, Mignolet and one or two others as well.

We've been to two CL finals and qualified for the knockout stages for next year already guaranteeing us a reasonable wedge immediately. Add in the increased commercial deals and even accounting for some improved player deals, there's no chance we're brassic. There's a new kit deal being lined up for next year too that will be the biggest in the clubs history and possibly one of the biggest in the world.

If the message is out there that we're keeping the purse strings tight, it's because we've wanted that message to get out.
Maybe he meant we had already spent the rest of the budget on players arriving 2 June :) Hashtag incoming :)
 



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This is very unreliable but we know that Liverpool like to come back for players they liked but couldn't previously sign... :)
OK, people, listen up. Since the silly season is creeping towards us, various attention seekers, trolls, online profiteers, etc. will crawl out of the woodwork and start posting all kinds of transfer-related stuff on Twitter, that will inevitably find its way to these boards. To keep the levels of discussion on these boards respectable, try to avoid such accounts. Aside from usual suspects, any account that copies a tweet and posts their source in the bracket at the end of it instead of simply retweeting it isn't welcome here. Do your best to post content from the original source.
Reported ;-)
 

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Where does this number come from? This means that if he played every league game this season he would have to sit out the entire group stage of the CL on a CL final run, and play in not a single other cup game to stay in even the upper level of that limit. There is no basis for thinking a first choice CB should be so voluntarily restricted.
Someone in another post (not sure which thread) put the numbers up showing how rare it is for even the best CBs in the modern game to get to 50 games a season, even ones famous for being overplayed. VvD has hardly missed a game all season and avoided knocks and niggles. There's been games when he hasn't been his imperial best when tiredness seems to have been creeping in but luckily "not his best" is still fantastic. He's played 50 games being rested here or there is going to take him down to at least 45.
 

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There's been games when he hasn't been his imperial best when tiredness seems to have been creeping in but luckily "not his best" is still fantastic.
When? I've seen this said a couple of times. I have never noticed Van Dijk looking overly fatigued when I've been at the game.

He's been ill a couple of times this season and has played through it, the second time of which was the only period I've thought Van Dijk has looked off the pace. Leicester and West Ham were two of his weakest games of the season. He's been imperious otherwise.
 



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Someone in another post (not sure which thread) put the numbers up showing how rare it is for even the best CBs in the modern game to get to 50 games a season, even ones famous for being overplayed. VvD has hardly missed a game all season and avoided knocks and niggles. There's been games when he hasn't been his imperial best when tiredness seems to have been creeping in but luckily "not his best" is still fantastic. He's played 50 games being rested here or there is going to take him down to at least 45.
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Because we got knocked out at the first hurdle in each of the domestic cups. If we want to compete across four fronts and challenge for all trophies available I think we really need to be able to rest him (without doing so simply by being knocked out of competitions!) without a significant drop in quality.

50 games really is the upper amount a CB ought to be playing per season: Sol Campbell only did it twice in his career, John Terry managed it 5 times (not once after the age of 30), Carragher managed it 9 times. Carlos Puyol did it three times, Ramos twice, Pique's done it once, and Varane's never done it, nor did Cannavaro.
 

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Someone in another post (not sure which thread) put the numbers up showing how rare it is for even the best CBs in the modern game to get to 50 games a season, even ones famous for being overplayed. VvD has hardly missed a game all season and avoided knocks and niggles. There's been games when he hasn't been his imperial best when tiredness seems to have been creeping in but luckily "not his best" is still fantastic. He's played 50 games being rested here or there is going to take him down to at least 45.
It is not that rare. However, the limitation, where it exists, is in a club having that many important games in a season. When a club does, and they have a CB who has the lynchpin status that VvD does, it is not rare that such players play that many games. The issue is not physical, it is logistical.

And it should hopefully be clear that I am not saying that you cannot overuse a CB. I am however saying that the 50 games he's going to have played this season is not of much concern, especially for a CB who plays without ever having to get out of 3rd gear.
 

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This past season we suffered a lot of injuries in the centre back department. Gomez was fantastic the first half of the season, then some Orc at Turf Moor slid across the wet turf, wrapped up Joe's standing leg, and broke it. So Gomez missed the second half of the season.

Lovren, the season before, was widely regarded as our second choice centre back. While always prone to a few jitters here and there, his defenders would point out that that stuff was overblown. He was strong, got stuck in, was decent in the air, and he went to a CL final and a World Cup final, so he can't be all that bad, right? Well, this past season Lovren was injured a lot and he barely played, and is probably now our fourth choice centre back.

Matip has had more than his fair share of niggly injuries, no doubt about that, but when Gomez broke his leg and took longer than expected to come back, Matip was the player who came in and did well.

So that's three of the four main central defenders with injury issues, and how did we do? Well, we did very well as it happens. Tightest back line in the Premier League. 97 points and would-be champions but for some serious financial doping, with another CL final to come.

At one point we played Hoever, who will be bigger, stronger and a year older next season; and at another point iirc we played Fabinho there in a pinch, though these days he has established himself as our first choice number 6.

So what am I saying?

I'm saying that even with a lot of injuries, we were absolutely fine in the position last season. While we should be prepared for injuries, and we are, signing more and more players starts to become counter productive.

I could make a case for signing no central defenders this summer. Carry on with what we have. And next year maybe Hoever might get a few more minutes in and around the first team set up.

If we are going to sign someone, it needs to be a Lovren replacement, as he is now fourth choice and presumably on decent wages, while also likely able to attract a fee if we sell. But there's not a lot of upside as his replacement will cost money, and there's no guarantee he will be better, unless we spend a lot of money. At that point the balance in other areas is affected, and Gomez might get bumped, for example, which on the evidence of the first half of the season would be a mistake.

I'm in the camp that says "Leave the central defense alone." We have enough. By the end of next season both Lovren and Matip might be done here, and we might be looking to sign one more to go with VVD, Gomez and Hoever, but we should cross that bridge when we come to it. It doesn't feel like it's a bridge we have to cross right now.
 

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Bloody hell, I've totally been had! GFFN are well known account, some tosser decided to open a near identical account, I didn't even notice the difference in Twitter handle! Thanks, lads!
Still I don't know why you put any weight on what the real GFFN say. They are just attention seekers anyway. :J