The Unreliable Rumours Thread

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I agree with the thoughts about the timing of announcing players. If we have already signed someone, let’s clean up after the parade and then announce it. Otherwise it’s all lost in the MASSIVE NEWS OF WINNING NUMBER 6! (Sorry for shouting - still buzzing!)

Another thought on the PR around signings is that we may try to control the timing of news for our own purposes, but sometimes it’s not all in our hands to do that. Other parties might have their own reasons to speak.

As for doing all of our business, I think it’s a bit of both. Chances are we have something wrapped up, but I’d also expect we are still working on other deals. I think all the work will be done with regard to identifying targets - I’m sure we have detailed info on anyone who is anyone in football, both in terms of data and scouting. But the space between identifying and landing a target is sometimes a shark infested pool, and we may be in those waters with one or two. Ideally we get it wrapped up early, ahead of the competition, but sometimes a desirable player, and especially his club, will want to see what options emerge.
 

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Fabinho signed 28th of May, it happened so quickly that the rumour thread was basically the welcome thread. Rumour start date to signed, 0 days.
Fekir nearly signed 8th of June, rumour start date to nearly signed, approximately 30 days.
Shaqiri signed 13th of July, rumour start date to nearly signed, approximately 36 days.
Alisson signed 19th of July, rumour start date to nearly signed, approximately 123 days.

In conclusion, the Fabinho signing has created heightened impatience over rumour to signing duration.
 

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I just read this as well from the Daily Express....... i mean it makes zero sense, especially if Salah is the one putting in a transfer request the day after celebrating? Sounds like the tabloids trying to stir up crap while we are the talk of the papers. I just hope these things don't affect the Klopp contract extension talks. Both Mane and Mo said they wanted to challenge for the title next season with this club, and we still have community shield, european cup winners cup, club world cup and so much more competitions to play for. So it makes no sense.
All anybody from the club and fans will do is laugh at this. Nobody is going anywhere mate.
 

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I just read this as well from the Daily Express....... i mean it makes zero sense, especially if Salah is the one putting in a transfer request the day after celebrating? Sounds like the tabloids trying to stir up crap while we are the talk of the papers. I just hope these things don't affect the Klopp contract extension talks. Both Mane and Mo said they wanted to challenge for the title next season with this club, and we still have community shield, european cup winners cup, club world cup and so much more competitions to play for. So it makes no sense.
The devil is in the detail. The express quotes "reports from Spain", specifically Spanish newspaper Diario AS.
In other words, a story straigth from the horses arse... :rolleyes:
 

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Salah, Mane and Firmino will be 30/31 by the time their contracts expire but it wouldn't shock me at all if all are still playing Champions League football into their mid-30s. I think it will just be the norm now.
Firmino ok but the other 2?
They rely on acceleration, speed and turns so much more questionable to get past the 30 mark.
 

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Presumably this was aimed at me...

I wasn't saying anything derogatory about Carragher's immense importance and contribution to this football club. I was simply stating that, from an aesthetic point of view, watching a whole team made up of Jamie Carraghers would be appalling.

No need to get so worked up.
Don't worry Kopstar, it's nice to have you losening up and having some fun with us. :)
 

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Agreed, I think it's more about we aren't announcing/confirming anything yet because we still had a game to play and result to now celebrate. No wish to throw something else into the mix as a potential distraction right now but will move ahead with that when that's settled down.
Announcements tomorrow then? ;-)
 

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Do you not think we've sorted our primary target(s)? I think whoever we get was coming irrespective of the result.
Surely it's us LFC who are having 2nd thoughts after winning. Being able to attract better targets. :)
 

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Jesus wept, the Daily Mail reporting that Man Utd are in for Salah! You couldn't make it up. The lad has just picked up the CL trophy under Klopp and this journo would have you believe he wants to now play in the Europa under Solskjaer. They really are trying to do a hatchet job on us. Hilarious.
I bet Salah's pleased, not! lol
 

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I think there was a rumour we are in for this guy earlier yesterday, looks better than Fekir to me. And some advanced thinking Tuber has given it the welcome to LFC treatment. And if Neves can be snook in his pocket, perfect.
Looks the real deal this guy. A definite Klopp workhorse of a player very good on the ball and forward thinking. His shooting ability looks half decent too.
 

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Looks the real deal this guy. A definite Klopp workhorse of a player very good on the ball and forward thinking. His shooting ability looks half decent too.
Yes looks a real handful; and set piece specialist. I obviously dont know what type of player we are exactly in for, but this guy looks like he plays a little deeper than an advanced forward.
 

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I don't know too much about Fernandes but he has very good numbers this season, albeit in Portugal and slightly enflated by him being Sportings penaty taker.

I think we could definitely do with someone in the middle of the park who can both create goal and score from distance as we haven't had this sort of player since Coutinho fucked off.
 

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Looks the real deal this guy. A definite Klopp workhorse of a player very good on the ball and forward thinking. His shooting ability looks half decent too.
6 penalty goals and 3 set piece goals.

11 open play goals this year, 7 last year. In Portugal.

Doesn't seem good enough. Takes a ton of shots for as few goals. Dribbling pretty mediocre. Seems like a dime store Coutinho. We already didn't need the real thing.
 

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Even excluding pens 14 goals + 13 assists are still great numbers for an attacking midfielder.

Also he was quoted recently saying he prefers our style over City's and considering City were odds on to sign him before that it's quite possible there has been some contact behind the scenes already.
 

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6 penalty goals and 3 set piece goals.

11 open play goals this year, 7 last year. In Portugal.

Doesn't seem good enough. Takes a ton of shots for as few goals. Dribbling pretty mediocre. Seems like a dime store Coutinho. We already didn't need the real thing.
You sure you're looking at the stats for the right Bruno Fernandes mate?

Last year he scored 16 goals, 3 were penalties.

His season stats for this year in total are 53 games,32goals,18 assists.

11 right footed,5 left footed,7 penalties,3 free kicks,2 headers,1 solo run,1 long distance (2 unknown)

He was Portugese player of the year last year and will probably get it again this year,broke an almost 40 year club record for most goals scored by a midfielder in a season and actually broke the all time scoring record in Portugal ever,by a midfielder.

Ok the Portugese league isn't the strongest,but when you got a player making these numbers in a decent league and in Europa Cup,i don't think you could really say he's not good enough or a dime store Coutinho,his stats were non existent before we bought him from Inter.

You need to take into account the Klopp effect aswell,how good could Klopp make this kid in the future?

He can play Center Midfield,Attacking midfield,Left wing,second striker rolls aswell,so he can fit into many positions.
 

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You sure you're looking at the stats for the right Bruno Fernandes mate?
You tell me.



Being condescended to by someone that's wrong is quite annoying. Seeing people actually "like" said erroneous post is just perplexing and disturbing.

By the way, Coutinho was 20 when he was signed for a small fee as a player that had shown some goal scoring and creative abilities from midfield in 2 of the top 4 leagues as a teenager. Not a 25 year old (or would be shortly after season start) that would cost 50 million or more.

Seems like this guy is trying to talk himself into the frame at a Liverpool or City, but really it's the level like Man U that is actually interested.
 
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Even excluding pens 14 goals + 13 assists are still great numbers for an attacking midfielder.

Also he was quoted recently saying he prefers our style over City's and considering City were odds on to sign him before that it's quite possible there has been some contact behind the scenes already.
If you think that's great you should check out Firmino's numbers at Hoffenheim. And he was younger.

Really good isn't good enough anymore. Only great is good for Liverpool now.
 

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You tell me.



Being condescended to by someone that's wrong is quite annoying. Seeing people actually "like" said erroneous post is just perplexing and disturbing.

By the way, Coutinho was 20 when he was signed for a small fee as a player that had shown some goal scoring and creative abilities from midfield in 2 of the top 4 leagues as a teenager. Not a 25 year old (or would be shortly after season start) that would cost 50 million or more.

Seems like this guy is trying to talk himself into the frame at a Liverpool or City, but really it's the level like Man U that is actually interested.
Condescended to? i appologise if thats how it came across,it wasn't meant in that manner,i was questioning your stats and if you were looking at the right ones,thats all,and i'm not wrong,your stats are only Portugese League only,he's played 53 games in all competitions this season and scored 32 goals with 18 assists for Sporting Lisbon (2018/19) ,i know this as i have watched them and him a few times this year,and when your work mate is from Lisbon and his biggest fan,i get his stats rammed down my throat whenever we talk football.

This guy isn't that far off from your Coutinho comparison,he moved to italy and played and scored more than him at 21,his stats are on par with Bruno Silva before he came to the Prem.We'll have to disagree on his quality,you obviously don't rate him or think he has enough in his locker to be in our squad,where as i'd quite easily move on Lallana,Gruijc,Wilson,kent,ojo,ejaria and camacho to accomidate him.
 

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Condescended to? i appologise if thats how it came across,it wasn't meant in that manner,i was questioning your stats and if you were looking at the right ones,thats all,and i'm not wrong,your stats are only Portugese League only,he's played 53 games in all competitions this season and scored 32 goals with 18 assists for Sporting Lisbon (2018/19)
LOL I have the domestic league and Europa, what else matters? I don't know who they play in whatever passes for a domestic cup, and I don't care. I don't even care about the ones in England.

Really even most of the Liga NOS stats are pointless. Tell me what he did against Porto and Benfica. That's all that's even approximate to the level of the Premier League.

Vs. Porto -- L 2-1, 0G, 0A, 0Sh; D 0-0, 0G, 0A, 1Sh; D 1-1, 0G, 0A, 1Sh; D 2-2, 0G, 0A, 3Sh
4 games, 0 goals, 0 assists, 5 shots
Vs. Benfica -- L 2-4, 1G, 0A, 3Sh; D 1-1, 0G, 0A, 3Sh; L 2-1, 1G, 0A, ?Sh; W 1-0, 1G, 0A, ?Sh
4 games, 3 goals, 0 assists, 6+??? shots
Vs. Villarreal -- D 1-1, 1G, 0A, 2Sh; L 0-1, 0G, 0A, 1Sh
2 games, 1 goal, 0 assists, 3 shots
Vs. Arsenal -- D, 0-0, 0G, 0A, 1Sh; L 0-1, 0G, 0A, 3Sh
2 games, 0 goals, 0 assists, 4 shots

I had to double check the assists. Wow. 0 assists in a dozen games against even decently quality teams.

But even counting no-name cups, whoscored still disagrees with you.



And if you don't think "are you sure you have the right guy" when we're not exactly talking about John Smith or Moussa Dembele is condescending, well I don't know what to say about that. But whatever, I think I've made the point pretty clearly that this guy isn't what his numbers crack him up to be.
 

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lol I have the domestic league and Europa, what else matters? I don't know who they play in whatever passes for a domestic cup, and I don't care. I don't even care about the ones in England.

Really even most of the Liga NOS stats are pointless. Tell me what he did against Porto and Benfica. That's all that's even approximate to the level of the Premier League.

Vs. Porto -- L 2-1, 0G, 0A, 0Sh; D 0-0, 0G, 0A, 1Sh; D 1-1, 0G, 0A, 1Sh; D 2-2, 0G, 0A, 3Sh
4 games, 0 goals, 0 assists, 5 shots
Vs. Benfica -- L 2-4, 1G, 0A, 3Sh; D 1-1, 0G, 0A, 3Sh; L 2-1, 1G, 0A, ?Sh; W 1-0, 1G, 0A, ?Sh
4 games, 3 goals, 0 assists, 6+??? shots
Vs. Villarreal -- D 1-1, 1G, 0A, 2Sh; L 0-1, 0G, 0A, 1Sh
2 games, 1 goal, 0 assists, 3 shots
Vs. Arsenal -- D, 0-0, 0G, 0A, 1Sh; L 0-1, 0G, 0A, 3Sh
2 games, 0 goals, 0 assists, 4 shots

I had to double check the assists. Wow. 0 assists in a dozen games against even decently quality teams.

But even counting no-name cups, whoscored still disagrees with you.



And if you don't think "are you sure you have the right guy" when we're not exactly talking about John Smith or Moussa Dembele is condescending, well I don't know what to say about that. But whatever, I think I've made the point pretty clearly that this guy isn't what his numbers crack him up to be.
If you want to cherry pick your stats and goals to suit your position thats fine,like i said,we'll have to agree to disagree on this player,as far as i'm concerned,regardless of what competitions he's played in,his overall stats for the 2018/19 season for Sporting Lisbon are played 53,scored 32 and assisted 18 from midfield positions,so i'm not wrong and i couldn't give a shit what whoscored says,especially if they can only be bothered to put up half arsed stats that aren't complete,like the player stats table you've put up.
 
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If you want to cherry pick your stats and goals to suit your position thats fine,like i said,we'll have to agree to disagree on this player,as far as i'm concerned,regardless of what competitions he's played in,his overall stats for the 2018/19 season for Sporting Lisbon are played 53,scored 32 and assisted 18 from midfield positions,so i'm not wrong and i couldn't give a shit what whoscored says,especially if they can only be bothered to put up half arsed stats that aren't complete.
lol looking at games vs. the teams of the quality that he would face in the PL and CL = "cherry picking".

Whatever dude. I trust whoscored over some clod on the internet that can't be bothered to think or even cite a single source for your numbers when I've done so twice. All you've done is say "I don't care what probably the best source for stats on the internet says", in essence. I mean are you counting preseason games or something? Winter scrimmages? If you're so confident your numbers are right -- however irrelevant they are, right or not -- you should be able to say why whoscored is wrong.

Again, 0 assists in 12 games against the best on the schedule. Doesn't make for great reading for people that are illogically Bruno Fernandes fanbois. No one gives a shit about hat tricks against Beleneses or braces against Feirense. It's totally irrelevant and you can bet Ian Graham and his team of analysts are going to be all over that shit.

How many players in the whole of the Liga NOS could play in the Premier League? 20? 30? Maybe a couple of clubs worth, at best. Completely silly to look at the whole league and pretend like it's representative of what a player might do in the Premier League.
 
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