Apologies if my post came across as directed at you or stating you were wrong.Sure, I'm just giving my opinion on the player, which is what the forum is for.
I've seen our own fans suggesting De Ligt walks straight in to our team and makes us world beaters, and is capable of replacing Van Dijk if he's out. I've also seen De Ligt play 5 or 6 games. I see a good player there, one with a lot of potential, but I can't understand the faith in his currently ability. He's made a handful of defensive lapses in the few games I've seen of him and Ajax had a fairly porous defence last season, even in a weak Dutch league.
Whilst i don't object to your opinion, it depends on who you class as the top 4 leagues in the world and you don't account for inflation.He's not as good as Matip. Matip was a top defender in the Bundesliga and still only this year, his 3rd in the PL, got to the level of dominance he had there. My guess is he's the first choice alongside Van Dijk to start next year, even if Gomez is all the way back.
Ajax is absolutely mugging off a club that pays 75M or even 50M for him. Militao cost 45M and he's every bit the prospect of De Ligt. Including him, only 3 of the 20 most expensive CB transfers ever have come from outside the top 4 leagues -- Militao, Lindelof for 31.5M (not a good buy), D Sanchez for 36M (not a good buy either, but probably better than Lindelof).
I could go further but honestly I don't want to give any rival lurkers ideas they might not already have, and yes I do think some other clubs are so dumb that I might know things about the market they don't. The top 10 most expensive CB transfers is an absolute mess -- VVD, Laporte, Stones, Luiz, Otamendi, Bonucci, Silva, Mustafi, D Sanchez, Bailly. Good grief. Everton spent 27M on Yerry Mina. Woof. City spent the same on Mangala 5 years ago. Both are top 25 most expensive ever. Double woof. Buying CBs is an absolute minefield and what a club is willing to pay is no indication of quality right now, or until consistently proven otherwise.
After mascot's appropriate admonishment of the whole for mass offtopicness, probably best to take this to private. Happy to answer there.Whilst i don't object to your opinion, it depends on who you class as the top 4 leagues in the world and you don't account for inflation.
For example I believe Jaap Stam was a transfer record at the time, you then have players like Carvalho, David Luiz and as you stated Mangala.
The thing is you are focusing on the country they are playing their football in currently. Our very own VVD started in Holland and then played in Scotland and is now considered the best CB at present and there were alot of fans whi questioned his fee. Hansen started in Scotland and is considered one of the best CB’s of the 80’s/early 90’s, Koeman, Alderwield, Vertonghan, etc.
As you quite rightly stated the transfer fee doesn't determine whether the player will be a success or not. This is highlighted with VVD £75m Gomez £3m and Matip £0m.
A question if you may, of the CB’s available at present who would you sign?
Sorry only just seen Mascot’s post. But sure, i am happy to discuss it privately or in a more suitable thread. I dont disagree with your opinion/point of view but feel there are other factors involved.After mascot's appropriate admonishment of the whole for mass offtopicness, probably best to take this to private. Happy to answer there.
As iv mentioned before I respect your opinion on our youth players. What is your honest assessment at moment?? So weve released Matterson who was on the bench a few times, is there a reason for this - not progressed/better prospects.Yeah looks done as you say. The Daily Record reporting he will join up with them for the first day of pre-season training.
Cant argue with any of your points. Nail on head springs to mind.Exactly this.
We have two out and out fullbacks in our entire squad. A position key to both our defensive strength and attacking potency has zero real depth and yet some are looking at CB and CM as priority areas.
We can't go into the season happy with the cover being a centre back who is continually labeled injury prone (although I disagree with that assessment), a 33 year old central midfielder and a kid who has never made the match day squad.
Fullback and wide forward are priority one. Anything else we do is just replacing out going players that currently offer depth like Migs and Lallana or bringing in a young development player
If I come across stereotypical then I apologise but I cant help but pronounce (or try to) Jemal in a thick afro Caribbean accent, almost like Paddy and Murphy in an Irish accent. In my defence I am of Irish Heritage and my GF is of Jamaican Heritage so hopefully the only thing you can pull me up on is my dull brummie accent.Not quite TAA, but Jemal Lewis!
I've had ACL surgery twice. Trust me, I'm pulling for him more than anybody.Hey man, I'm all for pragmatism and stuff, but lets at least not jump to such drastic conclusions about our own players before they even set foot on the ground?
Am I the only who does not care where De Ligt goes? If its Liverpool then cool, we got a young talented potentially world class CB. But if its PSG or Barca then whatever We are the European champions now, surely we can get fingers in other pies (pause)DiMarzio also in the last hour twittering that raiola is in Paris to negotiate with psg re: De Ligt.
Barca getting gazumped again?
We are just going through the natural trimming of the fat. Masterson was a good prospect a few years ago but unfortunately his injuries have held him back and fallen behind Hoever, Phillips, Johnston and Williams.As iv mentioned before I respect your opinion on our youth players. What is your honest assessment at moment?? So weve released Matterson who was on the bench a few times, is there a reason for this - not progressed/better prospects.
Additionally players like Ojo, Kent, Kane, Wilson, Ejaria, Who have been loaned out on a regular basis.
Is there any player you think will step up, Woodburn seems to have stagnated for some reason, maybe because his best position is still questionable. But what about Lewis, Hoever, Phillips, Camacho, Jones, Glatzel, Jones?
Sorry, alot of questions but its only because I respect you opinion.
I think they've got FFP issues, compounded by missing out on the CL. There's even talk they might be kicked out the Europa League due to their finances.Easy to believe Milan is interested. Be a great signing for them. Whether Lovren is interested in them is far less clear.
Unless they're selling on someone with a higher price tag. But step one is if lovren is interested.I think they've got FFP issues, compounded by missing out on the CL. There's even talk they might be kicked out the Europa League due to their finances.
Makes me think they'll need to be frugal and spending £20m plus on Lovren isn't likely to be top of their priorities.
Not really, no. Ojo and Kent are probably the only ones with similar physical traits to Mane, and who have played off the left hand side, but as I've said above I don't think they will become first team players for us. Brewster is more of a centre forward than a winger in my opinion.
Im sure he would be tempted with first team football. Out of all our defenders I think he is least suited to our play. He’s still got qualities though.Sky Sports reporting that AC Milan will bid for Lovren this summer.
So we have to buy...Not really, no. Ojo and Kent are probably the only ones with similar physical traits to Mane, and who have played off the left hand side, but as I've said above I don't think they will become first team players for us. Brewster is more of a centre forward than a winger in my opinion.
Further down the youth system then you could maybe look at Curtis Jones to play on the left but he is no way similar to Mane.
If Larouci converts back into being a winger then he has the potential to be a first team player but he looks settled at wing back.
Fidel O'Rourke has the pace to play out wide but I've only seen him play on the right or CF and he hasn't even established himself as an U18 regular yet.