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The Unreliable Rumours Thread

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I am still not sure why Origi will not sign a contract. He is the only backup we have got for Firmino as Sturridge has left unless we play Salah/Mane upfront with Shaq/Ox to cover the RF/LF.. His playing time will be considerably more as he will definetly get close to 15-20 starts and as a sub in other games considering all competitions we are in.. And if we doesn't sign I would rather sell him for 35 million in this crazy market and get Werner..
 


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Letting Divock run down his contract doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If he won't sign, sell him and focus instead on adding another forward.
If true what its saying is we are happy having him as back up for the next 12 months - it lets us progress Brewsters development and then if need be gives us another twelve months to identify and sign a suitable replacement.
 

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I am still not sure why Origi will not sign a contract. He is the only backup we have got for Firmino as Sturridge has left unless we play Salah/Mane upfront with Shaq/Ox to cover the RF/LF.. His playing time will be considerably more as he will definetly get close to 15-20 starts and as a sub in other games considering all competitions we are in.. And if we doesn't sign I would rather sell him for 35 million in this crazy market and get Werner..
Brewster, Shaq and Ox may well all be seen ahead of him next season for the front three.....

Klopp has already shown he will happily move Mane and Salah central if needed
 

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It makes sense to me.
If he doesn’t want to sign it means we get another 12 months of origi and Brewster (hopefully). It also means we don’t buy someone just to replace origi especially if klopp and co don’t feel there is a suitable replacement yet.
Why buy someone on a 3/4 year contract who is only 75% of what klopp wants rather than wait for the perfect fit.
I’m sure klopp has targets in mind but either they are too expensive or simply not available yet. So keep to what we have.
Same principal goes for Clyne. If nobody is available, keep Clyne and have 12 months to find a replacement.

Either way, I won’t hold any grudges against origi for not signing. Like the dudeks and smicers before him, he has earned his right to make his choices.
 

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Letting Divock run down his contract doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If he won't sign, sell him and focus instead on adding another forward.
I am betting that Can is regretting running down his contract, ah, so satisfying when that happens.
 



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I am betting that Can is regretting running down his contract, ah, so satisfying when that happens.
Why, he would have got a nice signing bonus at the time because of no fee. He gets to experience a new country to live and play in. He just won the Serie A title. He's getting a good number of games and gets to play with the likes of Ronaldo, Dybala and co.
 

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I am still not sure why Origi will not sign a contract. He is the only backup we have got for Firmino as Sturridge has left unless we play Salah/Mane upfront with Shaq/Ox to cover the RF/LF.. His playing time will be considerably more as he will definetly get close to 15-20 starts and as a sub in other games considering all competitions we are in.. And if we doesn't sign I would rather sell him for 35 million in this crazy market and get Werner..
He has to sign a contract somewhere else for a transfer to go through. Seems an increasing number of players are just running their contracts down and then asking for signing bonuses bc the club isn't paying a fee. Also gives Origi another year to raise his value before he does that. Not saying that's what's happening, but it could be and it would explain why the club isn't talking about a transfer.
 

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Why, he would have got a nice signing bonus at the time because of no fee. He gets to experience a new country to live and play in. He just won the Serie A title. He's getting a good number of games and gets to play with the likes of Ronaldo, Dybala and co.

Because he didn't get to win the European Cup with the greatest club in the world obviously.
He doesn't get to play with Salah, Mane, Bobby, Fab, Virgil etc. etc . anymore , and most importantly he doesn't get Klopp hugs now.
 

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It’s a typical ITK type sentence.

If we sign a forward it’s to replace Sturridge
If we sign a full back it’s to replace Moreno
If we sign a keeper, Mignolet days are numbered
If we sign a CB, Lovren days are numbered

It does nothing more than state the obvious. While adding even greater leeway with her other statements saying that may change if world class players become available.
 



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My translation: we might sign Dembele if Barca become desperate and offer us a good deal. From the age perspective he's an ideal moneyball target so I could imagine our interest.

Barca probably hold the key to the merry go round. They must be under pressure to buy given Madrid's overhaul. 'Only' de Jong so far? If they add de Ligt and say Greizman they'll need others to leave. Not too many suitors for Coutinho with Chelsea banned and never for £100m. Dembele maybe their next best asset.

Weird that 'Origi not leaving' is the only news coming out. Sounds a bit like Lovren invaluable and not going for £25m or more.
According to the rumors, Barca is interested in selling Coutinho and Dembele to finance Neymar. That means that they're hoping to get quite a lot of money for them. Looking at what Barca payd for them, and looking at their need to raise cash, he will be too expensive. I just don't see how it can happen.
 

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If we signed Dembele he wouldn't be a starter for me in our strongest XI. He'll be quality rotation for Mane and Salah out wide, which we need. Do we spend ~£90m for that? Not sure. If that's what we'd be looking at for Dembele I'd rather spend similar on Sancho. If we're not going to spend that unless they strengthen our best XI then I'd rather we spend it on Havertz. If we're looking at no more than £50m-£60m for quality rotation out wide then I think Zaha is the best option, followed by Pepe.
 

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According to the rumors, Barca is interested in selling Coutinho and Dembele to finance Neymar. That means that they're hoping to get quite a lot of money for them. Looking at what Barca payd for them, and looking at their need to raise cash, he will be too expensive. I just don't see how it can happen.
When other clubs smell a firesale they dont usually offer best price. Given Dembele hasnt set the world on fire the last couple of years, most clubs with an interest in him or Coutinho will probably look to get that price down quite a bit. They will only get full price if a club like Utd are desperate to get him.
 

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If we signed Dembele he wouldn't be a starter for me in our strongest XI. He'll be quality rotation for Mane and Salah out wide, which we need. Do we spend ~£90m for that? Not sure. If that's what we'd be looking at for Dembele I'd rather spend similar on Sancho. If we're not going to spend that unless they strengthen our best XI then I'd rather we spend it on Havertz. If we're looking at no more than £50m-£60m for quality rotation out wide then I think Zaha is the best option, followed by Pepe.
Why wouldn't he be a starter? We could easily play 4231 with Firmino playing the no.10 against the vast portion of teams in the league.
 



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If we signed Dembele he wouldn't be a starter for me in our strongest XI. He'll be quality rotation for Mane and Salah out wide, which we need. Do we spend ~£90m for that? Not sure. If that's what we'd be looking at for Dembele I'd rather spend similar on Sancho. If we're not going to spend that unless they strengthen our best XI then I'd rather we spend it on Havertz. If we're looking at no more than £50m-£60m for quality rotation out wide then I think Zaha is the best option, followed by Pepe.
Sorry to say I think that attitude/way of thinking will hold us back. No more starting/best 11. Who out of Fabinho, Ox, Henderson, Keita, Wijnaldum makes it in our best 11? They're all good in different ways and depending on fitness, form and opponent depends on who ends up playing. Same with Van Dijk being partnered by Matip or Gomez. Faced with between 50 and 70 games next season 4 forwards could well all start a full "starters" number of games and we still don't come close to covering 3 positions for every game.
 

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Alisson

Alexander-Arnold -- Gomez -- Van Dijk -- Robertson

Fabinho -- Keita

Dembele -- Firmino -- Mane

Salah​

Go on then, you've twisted my arm.
I wouldn't write hendo out. Though I love both of those mids that are in. Great problem to have.

Feel like this could eliminate the problem of scoreless draws against overmatched teams.

Could flip to a 4-1-4-1 easily as well with a player like Oxlade Chamberlain put in the attacking midfield. IMO what little room for improvement exists is in knocking out the goalless games. Score every game and the league is there to be won.
 
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Why wouldn't he be a starter? We could easily play 4231 with Firmino playing the no.10 against the vast portion of teams in the league.
Sure, in some games. But if we added Dembele to our existing squad our strongest XI would still be

Alisson
Trent Joe(l) Virgil Robbo
Fabinho
Henderson AOC
Mo Bobby Sadio
Whereas if that £90m is spent buying Havertz he starts in one of the midfield slots not taken by Fabinho.
 

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Sure, in some games. But if we added Dembele to our existing squad our strongest XI would still be

Alisson
Trent Joe(l) Virgil Robbo
Fabinho
Henderson AOC
Mo Bobby Sadio
Whereas if that £90m is spent buying Havertz he starts in one of the midfield slots not taken by Fabinho.
So basically you prefer havertz to dembele? Perfectly valid if so. He's very good, so was dembele in the bundesliga. I don't think there's much chance of havertz going anywhere this summer and with him there's the chance he'll choose Bayern instead when he does leave. Of course dembele might not leave either but this thread currently seems to be temporarily assuming he is available, for the sake of discussion and dreaming.
 



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So basically you prefer havertz to dembele? Perfectly valid if so. He's very good, so was dembele in the bundesliga. I don't think there's much chance of havertz going anywhere this summer and with him there's the chance he'll choose Bayern instead when he does leave. Of course dembele might not leave either but this thread currently seems to be temporarily assuming he is available, for the sake of discussion and dreaming.
My view is that Havertz strengthens our strongest XI whereas Dembele doesn't. That's not me thinking Havertz is better just that he plays in the area of the field where I think we are weakest. Dembele doesn't strengthen our best XI because our front three is already world class. Our CM/AM areas are not.

Sure, if one isn't available and the other is then there's no discussion about which I'd rather bring in. I'd rather add the one we can than not add the one we can't.

However, if Havertz isn't moving even for £90m and we are also being quoted £90m or so for Dembele I'd rather we check if Sancho's available for a similar amount first. Again, if he isn't available, see above.
 

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My view is that Havertz strengthens our strongest XI whereas Dembele doesn't. That's not me thinking Havertz is better just that he plays in the area of the field where I think we are weakest. Dembele doesn't strengthen our best XI because our front three is already world class. Our CM/AM areas are not.

Sure, if one isn't available and the other is then there's no discussion about which I'd rather bring in. I'd rather add the one we can than not add the one we can't.

However, if Havertz isn't moving even for £90m and we are also being quoted £90m or so for Dembele I'd rather we check if Sancho's available for a similar amount first. Again, if he isn't available, see above.
I think we've ear marked Aouar for that spot (the Havertz one) as Havertz is going to Bayern. But next summer, once Lallana/Milner move on etc.
 

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Sorry to say I think that attitude/way of thinking will hold us back. No more starting/best 11. Who out of Fabinho, Ox, Henderson, Keita, Wijnaldum makes it in our best 11? They're all good in different ways and depending on fitness, form and opponent depends on who ends up playing. Same with Van Dijk being partnered by Matip or Gomez. Faced with between 50 and 70 games next season 4 forwards could well all start a full "starters" number of games and we still don't come close to covering 3 positions for every game.
What attitude? I'm not against spending a lot of money on players who are quality rotation/competition for our first XI, even if they're not necessarily automatic starters in our strongest team. If Liverpool want to spend £90m or so on such players then that's fine by me also. However, if £90m could be spent on improving our actual strongest first XI then that is a better use of £90m than spending it on players who merely improve the quality rotation/competition...that's just basic common sense.
 



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What attitude? I'm not against spending a lot of money on players who are quality rotation/competition for our first XI, even if they're not necessarily automatic starters in our strongest team. If Liverpool want to spend £90m or so on such players then that's fine by me also. However, if £90m could be spent on improving our actual strongest first XI then that is a better use of £90m than spending it on players who merely improve the quality rotation/competition...that's just basic common sense.
I'd want that 90 million going towards a world class striker, Firmino can then drop back or alternate with whoever we bring in. There are decent squad wingers we could bring in for 30-40 million to cover Mane, Shaqiri is more than adequate cover for Salah IMO.
 

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I'd want that 90 million going towards a world class striker, Firmino can then drop back or alternate with whoever we bring in. There are decent squad wingers we could bring in for 30-40 million to cover Mane, Shaqiri is more than adequate cover for Salah IMO.
Can you get a world class striker for £90m these days? Do you have anyone in mind? I know of a brilliant Argentinian. 26 years old, lethal, strong mentality...

I should add that I think spending a huge amount on a striker is not on the agenda. Klopp seems to want to keep the path open for Brewster through the middle.
 

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QUOTE="Iluvatar, post: 1119393, member: 29972"]
Why wouldn't he be a starter? We could easily play 4231 with Firmino playing the no.10 against the vast portion of teams in the league.
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@Iluvatar ....If we can impose this formation away from home, we will get where we all dream for :). But I think Dembele needs a bit wider spaces to act, like Mane and Mo....I get this fix ideas, that the last puzzle would be an attacking mid, who is comfortable in tight spaces, tricky player....Last year I thought it would be Fekir ( I still would like him be signed), but somehow this Nicolas Pepe, seems like an upgrade, and more fitting to our game plan. If I am correct he is not injury prone...not once. I watched him last night in a frendly, he easily (from time to time) draws in a playmaking role, looked like no stranger
If we are after him, we can get him for at least 25mil less, lower wage, about the same level of talent, and we will 'mould the fitting', no barca ego
All the best
 

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Letting Divock run down his contract doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If he won't sign, sell him and focus instead on adding another forward.
Buys time that might lead to the player we are after becoming available on the market. Also if that doesn't happen then an extra year for Origi to think about signing a new contract.
I'm not too concerned I can understand why Origi is taking his time to sign and I can understand why the club is not running about like a headless chicken. I just hope that all ends well.