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The Unreliable Rumours Thread

Zinedine Biscan

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I guess at the end of the day I'd rather have Coutinho back than Dembele as he's a known quantity (and quality) and positionally anyway he'd be the left-sided attacker we feel we need to round out the squad on the attacking side. A two-year loan would be a cracking deal in fairness. Not sure how I'd feel about a £90m transfer though after the slightly bitter way he left.

At the end of the day, I'd be ok with it.
 


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Anyone know how the deal was originally set up - ie how much money Barcelona still owe? - Could be a situation where the remaining debt is cancelled and the player returns for no fee to Liverpool. Then it would be a case of negotiation with Coutinho over pay etc. Think that may be a good deal for all concerned - depending on the outstanding amounts etc.
 



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If Klopp wants Coutinho back, as much as I think he is not worthy of our shirt anymore, I will support him as one of our players. However, we need to play hard ball, really hard ball with Barcelona. I will not even pay anything above 40mil for him at this point of time, a good reflection of his indiffferent form, him burning the bridges when wanting to leave, Barcelona really wanting to sell and just pretending they are not desperate to recoup some money back after spending so much money on Grizeman and possibly Neymar and lastly, us, not really needing him. IT should be a take it or leave it, its time we show some arrogance to these spanish clubs who think they can always come to any club and buy anyone they want.
Sums up my feeling on the matter perfectly.
 

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Anyone know how the deal was originally set up - ie how much money Barcelona still owe? - Could be a situation where the remaining debt is cancelled and the player returns for no fee to Liverpool. Then it would be a case of negotiation with Coutinho over pay etc. Think that may be a good deal for all concerned - depending on the outstanding amounts etc.
Apparently they still owe us £88m.
 

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Apparently they still owe us £88m.
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Well looks as if there is a deal to be done - cancel most of the debt. Barcelona have effectively had him on loan for 18 months at a cost of 60+ million to them. No capital outlay for a Brazilian international who has at least 5 years left at the very top level - seems like a no brainer to me. Plus I'm guessing in that scenario no agents fees would apply. Who else of his standard is available for around 80 million? TransferMarket has him valued at around the 90 million mark. Unless his confidence is completely shot I think it would be a great deal.
 



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I have made up my mind what we should offer for Coutinho. 2 year loan with an obligation to buy for 35mil and them paying 60% of his salary during the loan period plus unlimited 'yes we are shoving it up your ass'.
 



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The mirror (according to the TIA article i took it from) gave this breakdown (Bold and underlined are clauses we should have been paid)

£142m maximum. £106m guaranteed.
  • £18 million for Coutinho’s first 100 matches for FCB
  • The Spanish club will pay £4.5m at each 25-match interval to total that £18m
  • £4.5m due if Barca qualify for 2018/19 CL
  • Another £4.5m if they qualify for the 19/20 CL
  • A further £4.5m for winning the CL in 18/19
  • And £4.5m again if they win it in 19/20
He signed a 5 and half year contract with Barca, so the guaranteed payments are probably paid over 5 years. Would these be due in the Winter window or the summer? If the latter, we should have 2 or 3 payments (one from the initial deal in the winter, one last summer and one this summer) which would be about £40-60m paid/payable.

(Given the acrimony the deal could have led to a bigger up front payment - but i havent seen any breakdown of these. Also wasnt there rumours that Coutinho had paid something to get this deal done? Barca were not supposed to have had the funds to complete the deal because of the Dembele deal but i think one of their sponsors put up some cash to make it happen - which may point to a smaller up front payment.)

So, we also have £9m owing for CL qualification the last 2 seasons. They didnt win it, that is £4.5m lost from the maximum price.

He has played 76 games for Barca - so that is a further £13.5 m that should have been paid (as it is payable every 25 games upto £100).

So, if my maths & assumptions are right, the maximum price stands at £137.5m.

We should have been paid (or will have been paid this summer) £9m+£13.5m+£40 to 60m = £62.5m to £82.5m.

£137.5m - £62.5m = £75m
£137.5m - £82.5m = £55m

So, if all payments are up to date (We dont know the due dates so this is a bit tricky) the debt would appear to be between £55m and £75m. IF there is additional money that we are owed but hasnt been paid - then that will presumably have to be paid pretty sharpish if they sell him onto a 3rd party this summer - and how does that work if they are swapping him for Neymar along with other players?

It's fair to assume Countinho will play a further 24 matches for Barca if he stays, and that they will qualify for CL. Therefore, any proposed deal would involving us would probably expect that to be covered as part of the 'buying price'.
 

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Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast? I’ve never listened but apparently Lfc are signing a big name....but the guy doing the podcast can’t reveal who it is.

Well isn’t that convenient. If Lfc sign Phil, Dembelle or Pepe he can claim he knew all about it.
If they sign no one he can say yeah it fell through and that’s why I didn’t say anything.

Easy being a ITK.
 

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Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast? I’ve never listened but apparently Lfc are signing a big name....but the guy doing the podcast can’t reveal who it is.

Well isn’t that convenient. If Lfc sign Phil, Dembelle or Pepe he can claim he knew all about it.
If they sign no one he can say yeah it fell through and that’s why I didn’t say anything.

Easy being a ITK.
Decent podcast, some good contributors on it. However always take what they say in regards to transfers with a pinch of salt. They claimed earlier in the window Fernandes was all agreed due to some sort of info they got from somebody who supposedly told them things about Keita previously, and they regularly have that Grizz bloke on it who’s always acting like an ITK.
 

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Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast?
Used to listen to it regularly, but thought it became pretty shit. Too much banter, not enough football.

Anyway, on this rumour I have heard we’re about to announce a really big signing. However things can change with transfers, so don’t blame me if it doesn’t happen.

Am I doing this right?
 






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Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast? I’ve never listened but apparently Lfc are signing a big name....but the guy doing the podcast can’t reveal who it is.

Well isn’t that convenient. If Lfc sign Phil, Dembelle or Pepe he can claim he knew all about it.
If they sign no one he can say yeah it fell through and that’s why I didn’t say anything.

Easy being a ITK.
Come on down Lazaros Christodoulopoulos..
 

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Good luck to Kamil Grabara with his loan to Huddersfield. If he gets a first team spot it is a good loan. Must admit I am a bit dissapointed as I wanted to see him playing for LFC this season, at least on tour but maybe this is better for him. A good season on loan could see him as number 2 at LFC next season.
 

Zinedine Biscan

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Good luck to Kamil Grabara with his loan to Huddersfield. If he gets a first team spot it is a good loan. Must admit I am a bit dissapointed as I wanted to see him playing for LFC this season, at least on tour but maybe this is better for him. A good season on loan could see him as number 2 at LFC next season.
**cough** Danny Ward **cough**

Very tough position, backup goalie. You need experience for when you're called upon, but for a young player you have a hard time gaining that experience, Catch-22. I can see why young players like Ward would rather go somewhere they'll play (although ironically I don't think he did).
 

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Good luck to Kamil Grabara with his loan to Huddersfield. If he gets a first team spot it is a good loan. Must admit I am a bit dissapointed as I wanted to see him playing for LFC this season, at least on tour but maybe this is better for him. A good season on loan could see him as number 2 at LFC next season.
I think the only way we will ever get a GK through the youth system currently is to hold on to him long enough until the opportunity comes up to be first choice. Wouldn't be surprised to see him spend multiple years out on loan before being deemed ready and the opportunity to play being there.
 

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Agree with the thoughts on back up goalie. If the number one is in his prime, with years ahead of him, it’s tough if the number two is a young player biding his time and waiting for his chance. Goalkeeper is a position where there is a large gap between training and playing proper matches, with the pressure and all that comes with that. You want your goalkeeper to have all of that experience in their memory banks if and when called on.

Mignolet - potential style issues aside, is about as good a back up goalkeeper as we could have at the moment. Good luck to Grabara on loan.