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The Unreliable Rumours Thread

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I have made up my mind what we should offer for Coutinho. 2 year loan with an obligation to buy for 35mil and them paying 60% of his salary during the loan period plus unlimited 'yes we are shoving it up your ass'.
 
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Could be wrong mate, I just saw it here.

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The mirror (according to the TIA article i took it from) gave this breakdown (Bold and underlined are clauses we should have been paid)

£142m maximum. £106m guaranteed.
  • £18 million for Coutinho’s first 100 matches for FCB
  • The Spanish club will pay £4.5m at each 25-match interval to total that £18m
  • £4.5m due if Barca qualify for 2018/19 CL
  • Another £4.5m if they qualify for the 19/20 CL
  • A further £4.5m for winning the CL in 18/19
  • And £4.5m again if they win it in 19/20
He signed a 5 and half year contract with Barca, so the guaranteed payments are probably paid over 5 years. Would these be due in the Winter window or the summer? If the latter, we should have 2 or 3 payments (one from the initial deal in the winter, one last summer and one this summer) which would be about £40-60m paid/payable.

(Given the acrimony the deal could have led to a bigger up front payment - but i havent seen any breakdown of these. Also wasnt there rumours that Coutinho had paid something to get this deal done? Barca were not supposed to have had the funds to complete the deal because of the Dembele deal but i think one of their sponsors put up some cash to make it happen - which may point to a smaller up front payment.)

So, we also have £9m owing for CL qualification the last 2 seasons. They didnt win it, that is £4.5m lost from the maximum price.

He has played 76 games for Barca - so that is a further £13.5 m that should have been paid (as it is payable every 25 games upto £100).

So, if my maths & assumptions are right, the maximum price stands at £137.5m.

We should have been paid (or will have been paid this summer) £9m+£13.5m+£40 to 60m = £62.5m to £82.5m.

£137.5m - £62.5m = £75m
£137.5m - £82.5m = £55m

So, if all payments are up to date (We dont know the due dates so this is a bit tricky) the debt would appear to be between £55m and £75m. IF there is additional money that we are owed but hasnt been paid - then that will presumably have to be paid pretty sharpish if they sell him onto a 3rd party this summer - and how does that work if they are swapping him for Neymar along with other players?

It's fair to assume Countinho will play a further 24 matches for Barca if he stays, and that they will qualify for CL. Therefore, any proposed deal would involving us would probably expect that to be covered as part of the 'buying price'.
 
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Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast? I’ve never listened but apparently Lfc are signing a big name....but the guy doing the podcast can’t reveal who it is.

Well isn’t that convenient. If Lfc sign Phil, Dembelle or Pepe he can claim he knew all about it.
If they sign no one he can say yeah it fell through and that’s why I didn’t say anything.

Easy being a ITK.
 
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Walshy07 said:
Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast? I’ve never listened but apparently Lfc are signing a big name....but the guy doing the podcast can’t reveal who it is.

Well isn’t that convenient. If Lfc sign Phil, Dembelle or Pepe he can claim he knew all about it.
If they sign no one he can say yeah it fell through and that’s why I didn’t say anything.

Easy being a ITK.
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Decent podcast, some good contributors on it. However always take what they say in regards to transfers with a pinch of salt. They claimed earlier in the window Fernandes was all agreed due to some sort of info they got from somebody who supposedly told them things about Keita previously, and they regularly have that Grizz bloke on it who’s always acting like an ITK.
 
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Walshy07 said:
Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast?
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Used to listen to it regularly, but thought it became pretty shit. Too much banter, not enough football.

Anyway, on this rumour I have heard we’re about to announce a really big signing. However things can change with transfers, so don’t blame me if it doesn’t happen.

Am I doing this right?
 
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Walshy07 said:
Anyone familiar with Lfc day trippers podcast? I’ve never listened but apparently Lfc are signing a big name....but the guy doing the podcast can’t reveal who it is.

Well isn’t that convenient. If Lfc sign Phil, Dembelle or Pepe he can claim he knew all about it.
If they sign no one he can say yeah it fell through and that’s why I didn’t say anything.

Easy being a ITK.
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Come on down Lazaros Christodoulopoulos..
 
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Good luck to Kamil Grabara with his loan to Huddersfield. If he gets a first team spot it is a good loan. Must admit I am a bit dissapointed as I wanted to see him playing for LFC this season, at least on tour but maybe this is better for him. A good season on loan could see him as number 2 at LFC next season.
 
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costared said:
Good luck to Kamil Grabara with his loan to Huddersfield. If he gets a first team spot it is a good loan. Must admit I am a bit dissapointed as I wanted to see him playing for LFC this season, at least on tour but maybe this is better for him. A good season on loan could see him as number 2 at LFC next season.
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**cough** Danny Ward **cough**

Very tough position, backup goalie. You need experience for when you're called upon, but for a young player you have a hard time gaining that experience, Catch-22. I can see why young players like Ward would rather go somewhere they'll play (although ironically I don't think he did).
 
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costared said:
Good luck to Kamil Grabara with his loan to Huddersfield. If he gets a first team spot it is a good loan. Must admit I am a bit dissapointed as I wanted to see him playing for LFC this season, at least on tour but maybe this is better for him. A good season on loan could see him as number 2 at LFC next season.
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I think the only way we will ever get a GK through the youth system currently is to hold on to him long enough until the opportunity comes up to be first choice. Wouldn't be surprised to see him spend multiple years out on loan before being deemed ready and the opportunity to play being there.
 
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Agree with the thoughts on back up goalie. If the number one is in his prime, with years ahead of him, it’s tough if the number two is a young player biding his time and waiting for his chance. Goalkeeper is a position where there is a large gap between training and playing proper matches, with the pressure and all that comes with that. You want your goalkeeper to have all of that experience in their memory banks if and when called on.

Mignolet - potential style issues aside, is about as good a back up goalkeeper as we could have at the moment. Good luck to Grabara on loan.
 
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Sweeting said:
I think the only way we will ever get a GK through the youth system currently is to hold on to him long enough until the opportunity comes up to be first choice. Wouldn't be surprised to see him spend multiple years out on loan before being deemed ready and the opportunity to play being there.
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Fully agree on this. While I rate Grabara highly, that young Polish lad Liverpool signed a few weeks back, whose name I won't even dare to spell, probably has a better chance of making it at Liverpool if Alisson continues his form and stays at Liverpool for a prolonged period. Unless, of course, Grabara continues playing well on loan and maybe finds a club where he would spend few consecutive seasons before returning to Liverpool.
 
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Nikola said:
Fully agree on this. While I rate Grabara highly, that young Polish lad Liverpool signed a few weeks back, whose name I won't even dare to spell, probably has a better chance of making it at Liverpool if Alisson continues his form and stays at Liverpool for a prolonged period. Unless, of course, Grabara continues playing well on loan and maybe finds a club where he would spend few consecutive seasons before returning to Liverpool.
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From memory, it's what Courtois did whilst he bided his time waiting for Cech to move on. Difference there is that Courtois' 10 years younger than Cech so the time for Cech to move on coincided well with Courtois' developmental maturity. As you allude to, the age gap between Alisson and Grabara is too small to allow for that so if all our youth prospects develop into top prospects and Alisson stays/stays healthy then we're more likely looking at the 16/17 year old lads (Jaros looks good) rather than Kelleher or Grabara.
 
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From memory, it's what Courtois did whilst he bided his time waiting for Cech to move on. Difference there is that Courtois' 10 years younger than Cech so the time for Cech to move on coincided well with Courtois' developmental maturity. As you allude to, the age gap between Alisson and Grabara is too small to allow for that so if all our youth prospects develop into top prospects and Alisson stays/stays healthy then we're more likely looking at the 16/17 year old lads (Jaros looks good) rather than Kelleher or Grabara.
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I might be wrong, but wasn't the initial reason Courtois went on loan was due to clashing with one of the other younger players over an alleged love triangle?
 
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Terry, Ozil, Courtois and 7 others who slept with their teammates' partners

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He w potted KDBs' bird when they were both at Chelsea after KDB potted his birds best friend. That is Kings Rd through and through.

Interesting is No 1 & No 2. It seems Cuntitis runs in the family
 
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