The Unreliable Rumours Thread

[legalalien]

From BBC rumours page:
Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp wants English midfielder Herbie Kane, 20, to feature in their Carabao Cup campaign, ending the hopes of Portsmouth, Sunderland and Coventry of signing the player on loan. (Portsmouth News)

 

[gasband]

Jadon Sancho reportedly sign a new contract that brings him to 190k per week. And i would be surprised if there is not a release clause upwards of 200mil pounds. This would probably not be our type of player to buy then, pity I thought he would be a perfect competition/replacement for our forward line. Guess that wouldn't stop the irrational spenders though.

 

[GermanRed]

Jadon Sancho reportedly sign a new contract that brings him to 190k per week. And i would be surprised if there is not a release clause upwards of 200mil pounds. This would probably not be our type of player to buy then, pity I thought he would be a perfect competition/replacement for our forward line. Guess that wouldn't stop the irrational spenders though.

With Sancho i get the feeling that he already knows exactly which english club he wants to join.
'I'll sign the 190k contract and you'll let me leave for 140mil pounds next summer' Something like that.

 

[Zinedine Biscan]

@Kopstar

Reds 'battle' for £91million Havertz
The summer window may have slammed shut a fortnight ago but we start the day with a huge transfer rumour for Liverpool.

According to reports in Germany, Liverpool are eyeing a move for £91million-rated Bayer Leverkusen ace Kai Havertz.

The attacking midfielder, 20, netted 20 goals in 42 games last season.

Sport 1 claim that the Reds are battling for his signature along with Manchester City, Manchester United, Arsenal Chelsea and Spain’s big two Barcelona and Real Madrid with the wonderkid expected to push for a big move next summer.

 

[Hope in your heart]

@Kopstar

Reds 'battle' for £91million Havertz
The summer window may have slammed shut a fortnight ago but we start the day with a huge transfer rumour for Liverpool.

According to reports in Germany, Liverpool are eyeing a move for £91million-rated Bayer Leverkusen ace Kai Havertz.

The attacking midfielder, 20, netted 20 goals in 42 games last season.

Sport 1 claim that the Reds are battling for his signature along with Manchester City, Manchester United, Arsenal Chelsea and Spain’s big two Barcelona and Real Madrid with the wonderkid expected to push for a big move next summer.

They also say that Bayern will have the biggest chance to sign him because they have an excellent and long-standing relationship with his representatives. He'll go to Bayern imo, like most German supertalents. The fact that Klopp is German won't change much to this. Also, a bidding war with all European top clubs would make the player exceedingly expensive, and we know that the club will never sanction a £ 90m-150m move for that lad.

So, if I was you, I wouldn't hold my breath regarding Havertz, mate. Our next superstar will likely come out of the blue, like Firmino, Mané and Salah did, coming as a relative unknown from a mid-tier club for ± £ 25m, and then exploding under Klopp.

 

[GermanRed]

They also say that Bayern will have the biggest chance to sign him because they have an excellent and long-standing relationship with his representatives. He'll go to Bayern imo, like most German supertalents. The fact that Klopp is German won't change much to this. Also, a bidding war with all European top clubs would make the player exceedingly expensive, and we know that the club will never sanction a £ 90m-150m move for that lad.

So, if I was you, I wouldn't hold my breath regarding Havertz, mate. Our next superstar will likely come out of the blue, like Firmino, Mané and Salah did, coming as a relative unknown from a mid-tier club for ± £ 25m, and then exploding under Klopp.

He will have two years left on his contract next summer and for me it's pretty obvious that there is no clause and Leverkusen are entertaining a bidding war which Bayern won't be able to win against english clubs.

 

[Zoran]

Not sure if Bayern have the holy right/financial ability to pick all young players from other German clubs anymore. Things have changed in last years, Bayern wouldn't end up with a pretty old side (up to not long ago) if they could collect them so easily. Of course, they remain German's superpower, that will probably never change, they will still take a good number of them, but other top European clubs have gone a step up and are looking more at Germany, earlier and before "they all end up at Bayern". I sort of feel they might still return for Sane next summer. Depends how he is when he gets back fit, but he'll have a year left with City next summer. Not sure if they buy Coutinho what would still mean an absolutely huge fee that Barca are demanding (it only needs one piece of the puzzle to move, a Neymar or an Mbappe next summer for Coutinho to maybe end up at PSG). As for Havertz, we'll see. Who knows who is the manager of Bayern by that time, what structure do they play, etc.

 

[Dave-D]

Is Werner a free transfer in the summer and can German teams sign pre contracts with players in the same league in January or do they have to wait until May before pre contracts can be signed.

 

[Kopstar]

Is Werner a free transfer in the summer and can German teams sign pre contracts with players in the same league in January or do they have to wait until May before pre contracts can be signed.

If they can't that would mirror the PL rules but it's not a FIFA dictat so it's up to the individual leagues although it potentially undermines the integrity of the league. I seem to remember Bayern announcing they'd agreed to sign Gotze as a free agent before the German season was over though...think it was right before they played Dortmund, in fact. Was it before a Cup final or something?

 

[Dave-D]

If they can't that would mirror the PL rules but it's not a FIFA dictat so it's up to the individual leagues although it potentially undermines the integrity of the league. I seem to remember Bayern announcing they'd agreed to sign Gotze as a free agent before the German season was over though...think it was right before they played Dortmund, in fact. Was it before a Cup final or something?

That what I’m wandering, I know in England they can only talk to a player a month before the players contract expires and the announcement was before I believe the champions league final so that would fall into that timescale.

 

[lfc.eddie]

Is Werner a free transfer in the summer and can German teams sign pre contracts with players in the same league in January or do they have to wait until May before pre contracts can be signed.

Yes they can, Goretzka did it in Jan 2018, announcing it for his move as free transfer in the following summer. So yes, they can absolutely do that.

 

[fspencer]

Yes they can, Goretzka did it in Jan 2018, announcing it for his move as free transfer in the following summer. So yes, they can absolutely do that.

A few dortmund players have done so in the past - most notably llewandowski.

 

[cynicaloldgit]

... most notably llewandowski.

Is that Lewandowski’s Welsh cousin?

 

[fspencer]

Is that Lewandowski’s Welsh cousin?

come on!!! it's gerwyn llewandowski . once scored a hat trick in the sheep cup final . would have had 4 but blasted a penalty over the baah !

 

[Irishanfield]

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come on!!! it's gerwyn llewandowski . once scored a hat trick in the sheep cup final . would have had 4 but blasted a penalty over the baah !

Oh Betty! Bloody apted username after a joke like that (

 

[MarcusBerglund]

Fiorentina have made a loan offer with an option to buy for Liverpool forward Bobby Duncan, Sky Sports News understands.

Duncan signed a three-year deal at Anfield a year ago after the Reds agreed a compensation fee to sign him from Manchester City.

 

[Zoran]

Interesting how more and more European clubs of all types are looking at young English players. In general you hope more of them do it, it would be good looking from multiple perspectives.

 

[lfc.eddie]

Interesting how more and more European clubs of all types are looking at young English players. In general you hope more of them do it, it would be good looking from multiple perspectives.

I have a feeling it’s form financial reasons rather than footballing ones. A talented young English players won’t have a lot of chances to feature in their top clubs, harness that skill and build them up from decent to good and then sell it back to England. If they turned out to become a Sterling level, the selling club will laughing to the bank.

 

[Sweeting]

Fiorentina have made a loan offer with an option to buy for Liverpool forward Bobby Duncan, Sky Sports News understands.

Duncan signed a three-year deal at Anfield a year ago after the Reds agreed a compensation fee to sign him from Manchester City.

I hope he goes now. Firstly becausr that would be an interesting move for him and secondly because I'm getting tired of seeing him/his agent try and force a move.

 

[MarcusBerglund]

I hope he goes now. Firstly becausr that would be an interesting move for him and secondly because I'm getting tired of seeing him/his agent try and force a move.

Well, I hope we hold on to Duncan. He looks like proper talent and the club must convince him to renew his contract /I think he signed for 3 years with LFC last season/ and then no problem to loan him out, but definitely with no option to buy.
We need to keep our best talents.

 

[Sweeting]

Well, I hope we hold on to Duncan. He looks like proper talent and the club must convince him to renew his contract /I think he signed for 3 years with LFC last season/ and then no problem to loan him out, but definitely with no option to buy.
We need to keep our best talents.

He has been pushing for a move since the day he signed for us. He forced his way out of Man City, he is trying to force his way out of Liverpool - I'm not sure how the club could ever "trust" him.

I have no problem with players feeling their careers are better served elsewhere and in Duncan's case he is probably right, he won't be breaking in to the front three anytime soon and Rhian Brewster/Paul Glatzel are more talented, but I'd be a bit annoyed now if I were the Academy staff that in just one year he has contacted Fiorentina, Nordsjaelland and several German clubs looking for a move.

He says he wants first team football. We can't offer that (he isn't a guaranteed starter for the U23s) and so I wouldn't be surprised to see us cut ties and let him get it elsewhere.

 

[Red over the water]

Duncan is decent, but not great. He won’t make it at Liverpool but there’s no reason why he can’t make a career for himself elsewhere. The posturing and jostling for position is a bit unbecoming, but such is life.

 

[MarcusBerglund]

He has been pushing for a move since the day he signed for us. He forced his way out of Man City, he is trying to force his way out of Liverpool - I'm not sure how the club could ever "trust" him.

I have no problem with players feeling their careers are better served elsewhere and in Duncan's case he is probably right, he won't be breaking in to the front three anytime soon and Rhian Brewster/Paul Glatzel are more talented, but I'd be a bit annoyed now if I were the Academy staff that in just one year he has contacted Fiorentina, Nordsjaelland and several German clubs looking for a move.

He says he wants first team football. We can't offer that (he isn't a guaranteed starter for the U23s) and so I wouldn't be surprised to see us cut ties and let him get it elsewhere.

I don't want to see our club bullied by agents ot players. He still has a contract /2 years left as far as I know/ with Liverpool and Klopp definitely likes him, because he was one of the few youngsters that travelled with the main group to USA.
Man City also thought that Sancho had no chance to displace any of their front three, but look how things changed. If we let Duncan leave so easily that will be a great example of the next youngsters that want to leave the club, looking for new pastures. And that will also show the club looking weak and easy to manipulate.
Duncan is a top talent, he scored bags of goals, was instrumental in leading the club to the youth FA cup and scoring in the process 32 goals /top scorer of Liverpool U 18/ in all competitions.
The club will hopefully stand firm /like in Kent's situation/ and sooner rather than later LFC will reap the rewards while keeping in the club its best talents.

 

[Iluvatar]

I don't want to see our club bullied by agents ot players. He still has a contract /2 years left as far as I know/ with Liverpool and Klopp definitely likes him, because he was one of the few youngsters that travelled with the main group to USA.
Man City also thought that Sancho had no chance to displace any of their front three, but look how things changed. If we let Duncan leave so easily that will be a great example of the next youngsters that want to leave the club, looking for new pastures. And that will also show the club looking weak and easy to manipulate.
Duncan is a top talent, he scored bags of goals, was instrumental in leading the club to the youth FA cup and scoring in the process 32 goals /top scorer of Liverpool U 18/ in all competitions.
The club will hopefully stand firm /like in Kent's situation/ and sooner rather than later LFC will reap the rewards while keeping in the club its best talents.

Duncan's major problem is he is a no.9 and that's it. He isn't flexible like Glatzel or Brewster in the fact they can drop deep (as a no.10) or play as a wide forward. That means his minutes will be limited and as Sweeting says he isn't better than either of those two (and doubt he will be ever).

So him moving on makes a lot of sense.

 

[Nikola]

Duncan's major problem is he is a no.9 and that's it. He isn't flexible like Glatzel or Brewster in the fact they can drop deep (as a no.10) or play as a wide forward. That means his minutes will be limited and as Sweeting says he isn't better than either of those two (and doubt he will be ever).

So him moving on makes a lot of sense.

This is my opinion as well. There obviously is something about him (it's rather unfortunate that he will be mostly remembered as "Stevie G's little cousin"), I think he's a decent finisher and that he has a bit of single-mindedness and arrogance about him in the box but compare him to Glatzel and I think he's found wanting in the technical and tactical department (not that Glatzel is the second coming of Thomas Mueller, of course, and his injury issues will most likely cost him his Liverpool career, unfortunately).

I wouldn't mind him being sold to Fiorentina if the deal was one of those "Michael Edwards specials" that we've grown accustomed to in the past two years - appearance clauses, sell-on fees etc. Besides, I think that club will be looking to invest much more time and energy into developing Brewster and Layton Stewart.

 

[Sweeting]

I don't want to see our club bullied by agents ot players. He still has a contract /2 years left as far as I know/ with Liverpool and Klopp definitely likes him, because he was one of the few youngsters that travelled with the main group to USA.
Man City also thought that Sancho had no chance to displace any of their front three, but look how things changed. If we let Duncan leave so easily that will be a great example of the next youngsters that want to leave the club, looking for new pastures. And that will also show the club looking weak and easy to manipulate.
Duncan is a top talent, he scored bags of goals, was instrumental in leading the club to the youth FA cup and scoring in the process 32 goals /top scorer of Liverpool U 18/ in all competitions.
The club will hopefully stand firm /like in Kent's situation/ and sooner rather than later LFC will reap the rewards while keeping in the club its best talents.

I guess it is all about perception but if we were to move him on, on our terms financially, then we are also sending a message to young players that if they can't make it here they can get a good football education and then we will let them go to a good club to get their football. That can be a selling point for a lad at, for example, Crewe deciding whether to join us or Man Utd.

Duncan is a prospect with a lot of upside, excellent goalscorer at youth level and room to improve but he doesn't seem to be a Sancho/Mbappe type talent.

I remember people getting really upset when we told Tom Ince to leave after he bigged up his "deals" with Inter Milan and Juventus. Most of these young lads won't make it at PL level. If they are determined to go, and causing a public fuss about it, I think it might be in their interest and ours to let them have their wish - there are always more youth players.

 

[MarcusBerglund]

I guess it is all about perception but if we were to move him on, on our terms financially, then we are also sending a message to young players that if they can't make it here they can get a good football education and then we will let them go to a good club to get their football. That can be a selling point for a lad at, for example, Crewe deciding whether to join us or Man Utd.

Duncan is a prospect with a lot of upside, excellent goalscorer at youth level and room to improve but he doesn't seem to be a Sancho/Mbappe type talent.

I remember people getting really upset when we told Tom Ince to leave after he bigged up his "deals" with Inter Milan and Juventus. Most of these young lads won't make it at PL level. If they are determined to go, and causing a public fuss about it, I think it might be in their interest and ours to let them have their wish - there are always more youth players.

I don't see the boy ''causing a public fuss''. He wants to play football at a higher level and thinks he can do that. Can't see the problem. A loan will be a good option for both LFC and the player /but signing a new contract is important. Last winter we had the same problem with Kane, but he signed his contract and continued playing for Doncaster/. If he is good enough he will come as a better player and his price will rise. If he can't make it /after 2-3 years/, maybe the club will be more cooperative about a potential sale.
And in my opinion Duncan is and will become much better player than Tom Ince.
Fact is he was one fo City's best players, then he realized that his progress will be stopped, because they spend huge amount of money and he decided to leave. Se he came back in his home town after almost a season out of the game.
He left because he did not see a clear path for the first team.
Brewster was in the same position, he was on the brink of signing a pre contract with Gladbach, but LFC stood firm and managed to convince Rhian that his future is with Liverpool.
I really hope to see the same attitude from the club in Duncan's case.

 

[Zinedine Biscan]

Club has "no intention" of selling Duncan, have knocked back both offers received:

Liverpool's intentions for Duncan as clubs try to prise youngster away

Both Fiorentina and FC Nordsjaelland have approached Liverpool over the signing of 18-year-old forward Bobby Duncan

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Sweeting]

I hope he goes now. Firstly becausr that would be an interesting move for him and secondly because I'm getting tired of seeing him/his agent try and force a move.

:wave:

 

[Kopstar]

I know it's IndyKaila (hence in here rather than the twitter thread) but I can't help but like the account even if it is nonsense, it just gives me a laugh (check out what he's said about telling Bobby Duncan's agent to deactivate, haha)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1166817873546944514