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The Unreliable Rumours Thread

Red over the water

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I broadly agree with Jamie Carragher’s assessment - goalkeeper, defence and attack world class; midfield very good but a small step short of that. Fabinho is a world class defensive midfielder, but after that we have very good but not world class options.

What is missing is a bit of attacking impetus from the midfield, and a bit of cuteness to be able to find a pass and add a creative spark in that area. If Naby Keita can show us that he is the player we all hoped he would be, we are in business. If for whatever reason it continues to happen in fits and starts for him, I think we will go into the market next summer for a world class attacking midfielder, and Kai Havertz would be my choice as he adds goals from that department too.

That wouldn’t mean the end of the line for Keita, at all, and there’s no reason why a midfield trio of Fabinho, Keita and Havertz couldn’t sweep all before them; but I’m just thinking this is the season where the attacking midfield options already on the books need to show us more, or we will respond in the market to cover the need.
 


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I broadly agree with Jamie Carragher’s assessment - goalkeeper, defence and attack world class; midfield very good but a small step short of that. Fabinho is a world class defensive midfielder, but after that we have very good but not world class options.

What is missing is a bit of attacking impetus from the midfield, and a bit of cuteness to be able to find a pass and add a creative spark in that area. If Naby Keita can show us that he is the player we all hoped he would be, we are in business. If for whatever reason it continues to happen in fits and starts for him, I think we will go into the market next summer for a world class attacking midfielder, and Kai Havertz would be my choice as he adds goals from that department too.

That wouldn’t mean the end of the line for Keita, at all, and there’s no reason why a midfield trio of Fabinho, Keita and Havertz couldn’t sweep all before them; but I’m just thinking this is the season where the attacking midfield options already on the books need to show us more, or we will respond in the market to cover the need.
Is Ox no more? Did someone eat Ox?
 

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Is Ox no more? Did someone eat Ox?
Not at all! Ox is one of the attacking midfield options that needs to show us more, or else I suspect we will sort it in the transfer market. There’s a heck of a long way to go this season, but Keita and Ox are the main two who need to show us more. I haven’t fully written off Lallana, but anything he can give us this season is more of a bonus in my eyes, as I see him moving on next summer after his contract expires.

Ox is coming off the back of a bad injury, and Keita hasn’t really got going yet, at least as we had hoped. If this season goes by with neither man putting down a sustained marker to help us step into the future, I think we will retain them but we will add another who may go to the top of the class in the attacking midfield department e.g. Havertz.

I haven’t forgotten Shaqiri either, but I see this signing as taking advantage of a low clause post-Stoke, and since we went big on other players it was a cost effective way to add depth. Mind you, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Shaqiri departs next summer in search of more playing time.
 



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I broadly agree with Jamie Carragher’s assessment - goalkeeper, defence and attack world class; midfield very good but a small step short of that. Fabinho is a world class defensive midfielder, but after that we have very good but not world class options.
I disagree, and I think it’s a case of conventional football wisdom not yet catching up with how Klopp has his team set up.

It’s a question of what we need from our midfield, not what the pundits think we should have.

Our midfielders do a very different job to those of Cities. More creativity is always welcome anywhere on the pitch, but our midfield is there to enable the front three, press High up the pitch and allow the fullbacks to play as auxiliary forwards.

Take a player like Gini. Loads of fans slate him and say he is anonymous. I’m not sure I really know what he does. But there he is. Klopp’s go to midfielder in a football team that win the European Cup, got 97 points last year, and sit eight points clear at the top of the league this season. He must be doing something right. If I can’t see what he brings, the problem must be mine.

If you slotted a more creative, but less tactically and positionally diligent midfielder in to one of those number 8 positions, I suspect that might damage the functioning of the team overall. I might have even just explained why Klopp doesn’t fancy Shaqiri, even when he is fit.

This is where I think Naby Keita comes in. I think he was bought to be that player - to be the workhorse midfielder that Klopp needs, but also have that bit of flair that Hendo, Gini and Milner don’t have. Ox undoubtedly has the intelligence to build that into his game as well, but has the same issue as Naby. How do you give him the five games he needs to work his way to sharpness, when we probably need 100 points to win the league?
 

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Just a rumour I think, but I read that Barca owe us 83 Million Pounds for Coutinho, as well as owing a bunch of other clubs like Ajax (for De Jong). Pretty crazy if true. I'm surprised the club would be ok with this, especially when we're re-investing the Coutinho money on players like VVD and Alisson.
 

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Saw us linked with Thomas Muller yesterday for a Jan move. He isn't getting game time due to Coutinho playing at No.10.

I'd have him, ideal replacement for the likes of Lallana and Shaq. Lots of experience, and still has a couple of years.

Doubt it would happen...prob media BS.
 

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Saw us linked with Thomas Muller yesterday for a Jan move. He isn't getting game time due to Coutinho playing at No.10.

I'd have him, ideal replacement for the likes of Lallana and Shaq. Lots of experience, and still has a couple of years.

Doubt it would happen...prob media BS.
I dont see how he fits. Doesnt he play the sort of role that Dele Alli plays at Spurs? Not sure our team is set up to use a player like that.
 



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Saw us linked with Thomas Muller yesterday for a Jan move. He isn't getting game time due to Coutinho playing at No.10.

I'd have him, ideal replacement for the likes of Lallana and Shaq. Lots of experience, and still has a couple of years.

Doubt it would happen...prob media BS.
He ain’t happy with playing time at Bayern and Bayern are trying to tie him down to a new contract, so I expect Liverpool’s name is being used as a bargaining tool by Muller and his agent to try and get more game time and money.
 

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Saw us linked with Thomas Muller yesterday for a Jan move. He isn't getting game time due to Coutinho playing at No.10.

I'd have him, ideal replacement for the likes of Lallana and Shaq. Lots of experience, and still has a couple of years.

Doubt it would happen...prob media BS.
I see him as one of the few top players that could rotate/replace Firmino. He likes to drift into spaces - out wide, half space or dropping in between lines.
 



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So Jadon Sancho...... is this another Mbappe thing or is it a real thing? Ive seen some people say that he might replace salah should he go. Thing is, he is young and he is good at the bundesliga, but the prem...... should he even be a replacement or should we aim to rotate him with salah or mane?
 

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Just a rumour I think, but I read that Barca owe us 83 Million Pounds for Coutinho, as well as owing a bunch of other clubs like Ajax (for De Jong). Pretty crazy if true. I'm surprised the club would be ok with this, especially when we're re-investing the Coutinho money on players like VVD and Alisson.
They don't owe it to us, we have recieved all of it except the final ~£4m. Barcelona owe their lender £83m as they took out a loan to purchase Coutinho.
 

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He ain’t happy with playing time at Bayern and Bayern are trying to tie him down to a new contract, so I expect Liverpool’s name is being used as a bargaining tool by Muller and his agent to try and get more game time and money.
Absolutely. It would be pretty amazing if Muller were ever to leave Bayern. He has a guaranteed job for life there and is earmarked as a future manager.

He knows he can outlast a manager, especially one that keeps letting Bayern down.

He isn't even very good anyway, would come nowhere near our team. Had a period of a couple of years where everything went for him but it didn't take long for his limitations to catch up.
 

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I see him as one of the few top players that could rotate/replace Firmino. He likes to drift into spaces - out wide, half space or dropping in between lines.
Great player and as you mentioned, smart in finding spaces, but I seriously doubt he has the work rate and mobility to fit into our system.
 

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He was pretty good in his own way, you have to give that to him. One of the attacking players without an ideal position I'd say. Is he a lone striker? No. Is he a winger? No. Is he a #10? No. Is he a second striker? Doesn't mean Bayern have always played with one, but maybe closest to it, of all positions. Mentally really strong. I don't see him technically in Firmino's bracket, the simple (but difficult) things Bobby does so well. What happens with him at Bayern remains to be seen, it's possible that he accepts being less important and his love for Bayern prevails that. Don't think there's anything in that rumour.
 



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Saw a rumor today that Barca was keen on Firmino and the very thought that we'd sell Bobby made me chuckle. Of all of the players at this club, Bobby might be the one least likely to get sold. He's such a massive influence on our attack that Klopp would do anything to keep him here.
 

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Saw a rumor today that Barca was keen on Firmino and the very thought that we'd sell Bobby made me chuckle. Of all of the players at this club, Bobby might be the one least likely to get sold. He's such a massive influence on our attack that Klopp would do anything to keep him here.
According to multiple accounts, Barca already need to raise about 150 quid in player sales just to meet their existing obligations. The only players we should worry about them going there are the ones who are upset at their lack of playing time for Liverpool.
 

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According to multiple accounts, Barca already need to raise about 150 quid in player sales just to meet their existing obligations. The only players we should worry about them going there are the ones who are upset at their lack of playing time for Liverpool.
And their prefered options ahead of Bobby is.... Wait for it... Kane and Rashford hahaha.. Hahahahaha.
 

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According to multiple accounts, Barca already need to raise about 150 quid in player sales just to meet their existing obligations. The only players we should worry about them going there are the ones who are upset at their lack of playing time for Liverpool.
Lovren is going to Barca? Since its stupid Barca, we should ask for 80m.
 



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According to multiple accounts, Barca already need to raise about 150 quid in player sales just to meet their existing obligations. The only players we should worry about them going there are the ones who are upset at their lack of playing time for Liverpool.
That club feels like a house of cards. They also have a longstanding desire to bring Neymar back. Messi and Suarez both the wrong side of thirty. They could be in a bit of trouble.
 

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Today's transfer twaddle from the BBC rumours page includes this ...

Manchester United are considering making a January move for former Liverpool midfielder Emre Can. The 25-year-old Germany international joined Juventus in 2018. (Sky Sports)
(I don't think this'll happen. He's not *that* much of a prick, is he?)

...and this,

Liverpool and Chelsea are interested in 22-year-old Bournemouth and England midfielder Lewis Cook. (Mail)
(Could take Lallana's place on the bench, I suppose.)
 

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Today's transfer twaddle from the BBC rumours page includes this ...

Manchester United are considering making a January move for former Liverpool midfielder Emre Can. The 25-year-old Germany international joined Juventus in 2018. (Sky Sports)
(I don't think this'll happen. He's not *that* much of a prick, is he?)

...and this,

Liverpool and Chelsea are interested in 22-year-old Bournemouth and England midfielder Lewis Cook. (Mail)
(Could take Lallana's place on the bench, I suppose.)
Emre Can could go to united, mainly because he has a shot of starting there.

Wouldn't mind Lewis Cook at all if I'm being honest. Decent player gives us flexibility especially if we need to rest fabinho.