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@Hope in your heart. Re: point #2. Just saying.
I understand your point, but a 4231 is a different set-up to the one we practice. Firmino would adapt to it, no question about it. But in this system, the forward is much more the go-to man (like Torres was with Rafa's 4231) and I'm not sure that Salah and Mané would adapt that easily to being played further out wide, farther from the goal and with more defensive tasks. Our current success comes from the total unpredictability of our front three. They can basically pop up anywhere, that's a great strength. You wouldn't have that with this 4231.

Anyway, I don't say that I don't want Mbappe at Liverpool, but for 200m+? No way.
 

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I understand your point, but a 4231 is a different set-up to the one we practice. Firmino would adapt to it, no question about it. But in this system, the forward is much more the go-to man (like Torres was with Rafa's 4231) and I'm not sure that Salah and Mané would adapt that easily to being played further out wide, farther from the goal and with more defensive tasks. Our current success comes from the total unpredictability of our front three. They can basically pop up anywhere, that's a great strength. You wouldn't have that with this 4231.

Anyway, I don't say that I don't want Mbappe at Liverpool, but for 200m+? No way.
But if the club do the numbers and they stack up, why not?

What if someone produced a shiny coloured pie chart and linear graph as to why Mbappe at 200 makes more sense than keita at 50 from a monetary and playing point of view? Would you be ok then?

They really are just zeros on a report now, it’s not real money in the sense of it being able to solve social injustices.....
 

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^ What he said. I'm not a proponent of "Ooh, signing a marquee player will pay for itself in shirt sales" (That myth was binned off when someone worked out how many jerseys Juve would need to sell to pay for Ronaldo) but he'd be a big draw for us, and I'd rather see the money we're making now be invested in the squad as opposed to shareholder dividends. Besides, with Nike now on board and Mbappe being one of their marquee names, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some "creative bookkeeping" attempted to get him in.
 

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^ What he said. I'm not a proponent of "Ooh, signing a marquee player will pay for itself in shirt sales" (That myth was binned off when someone worked out how many jerseys Juve would need to sell to pay for Ronaldo)
Actually this case would be very different next season as we stand to earn 20% of shirt sales revenue from Nike. So if the shirt is about £50 a piece, you're talking about 20m shirt sold to the public to recoup the £200m transfer fees. I think it is doable in 4 years.
 

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If a player like Sancho or Mbappe is targeted then of course it is not for backup but rotation with the front 3. As a good measure for consistency, Firmino is 30 in 2 years, Mane in 3, Salah too. Its not too early to get a huge player like Mbappe or Sancho in to get them involved. But I still feel Sancho is more like a Klopp purchase than Mbappe.
 

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If a player like Sancho or Mbappe is targeted then of course it is not for backup but rotation with the front 3. As a good measure for consistency, Firmino is 30 in 2 years, Mane in 3, Salah too. Its not too early to get a huge player like Mbappe or Sancho in to get them involved. But I still feel Sancho is more like a Klopp purchase than Mbappe.
Brewster, Elliott, Jones + another wide man is the next round of all star front 4. Sancho fits best for me.
 

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Brewster, Elliott, Jones + another wide man is the next round of all star front 4. Sancho fits best for me.
Yeah although I would say Sancho is one or two level already above these 3. Sancho looks like he can take over any of our front 3 in a short time. Brewster probably still needs another season or two. Elliot at just 16 already is playing at a very good level. Hopefully like you say, these would be our Gen 2 monsters.
 

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I'm quietly optimistic all three will. Surprising it's Brewster who I think has the least chance.
I think it's goalies and strikers who have the hardest time breaking through at top clubs, arguably they're the ones the team is most reliant on for results (scoring and preventing goals). Particularly when the guys ahead of you are so good.

It's taken years of productive loans and a transfer ban where they couldn't get in anyone else for Tammy Abraham to be given a chance at Chelsea, and it could be that Brewster will need the first part of that equation (ie regular first team football somewhere) in order to flourish.
 

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I'm quietly optimistic all three will. Surprising it's Brewster who I think has the least chance.
I suppose it depends on your definition of make it. It think Inglethorpe described it as making over 100 appearances for the first team, which Alexander-Arnold has only just reached, I think out of those three Elliott has the best chance just because of his youth and that he is already pushing the first team.

Jones and Brewster both have a chance of course and I wouldn't write any young player off but becoming a regular in a team as good as ours is just really fucking hard.
 

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I'd have Mbappe for £200m tomorrow if I could (and probably sell Salah), but I just don't see it's realistic that: a) we offer that type of money and especially b) he chooses us. He's destined for one of the Spanish big two, especially Real.
 

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I'd have Mbappe for £200m tomorrow if I could (and probably sell Salah), but I just don't see it's realistic that: a) we offer that type of money and especially b) he chooses us. He's destined for one of the Spanish big two, especially Real.
He might change his mind after we smash them 6-0 in this season’s quarterfinals.
 

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We should have pulled out of the Carabao Cup.
Why?
It’ll give our youth a chance of playing in front of the cameras. It’s not like they will be forced to play twice in a day. The first team will be the other side of the world. It’s really no different to a EFL Trophy game now.
I’m looking forward to it.
 

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Why?
It’ll give our youth a chance of playing in front of the cameras. It’s not like they will be forced to play twice in a day. The first team will be the other side of the world. It’s really no different to a EFL Trophy game now.
I’m looking forward to it.
Because we can't play just youth in the cup - they are not all ready, and all the experienced players will be away.
 

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Heard an interesting rumour from a friend involved with next year's Euro's.
A guy in UEFA told him that Mbappe can only play for Nike sponsored teams, it's part of his contract.
He was also told that the reason we didn't sign di Ligt was because we wouldn't pay the agent's fees. Think Raiola is his agent?
 

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Because we can't play just youth in the cup - they are not all ready, and all the experienced players will be away.
We can and will, it's not about them being ready.They will play, and almost certainly lose and hopefully learn from the experience.
 

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Heard an interesting rumour from a friend involved with next year's Euro's.
A guy in UEFA told him that Mbappe can only play for Nike sponsored teams, it's part of his contract.
He was also told that the reason we didn't sign di Ligt was because we wouldn't pay the agent's fees. Think Raiola is his agent?
Can't imagine that being true, would surely break freedom of movement laws etc.
 

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Can't imagine that being true, would surely break freedom of movement laws etc.
No idea but if he signed it willingly or if there's some sort of compensation in the form of more money then who knows, perhaps it is.
 

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Why?
It’ll give our youth a chance of playing in front of the cameras. It’s not like they will be forced to play twice in a day. The first team will be the other side of the world. It’s really no different to a EFL Trophy game now.
I’m looking forward to it.
Because it’s probably only through a big team pulling out do the Football league and Premier League come to understand that they are causing havoc with their idiotic fixtures.
 

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The Sander Berge thing would be interesting if it has legs. He is a player I rate very highly. Apparently Genk had offers in the £20M region for him this summer. Also comes across as a well-spoken and polite kind of fella.
 

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But if the club do the numbers and they stack up, why not?

What if someone produced a shiny coloured pie chart and linear graph as to why Mbappe at 200 makes more sense than keita at 50 from a monetary and playing point of view? Would you be ok then?

They really are just zeros on a report now, it’s not real money in the sense of it being able to solve social injustices.....
For me, it's all about the chemistry in the squad. Money doesn't come into it. Klopp's success is entirely built on a tight-knit group of players who fight for each other to the hilt. Too many big egos wanting to start every game = trouble. This equation must be at the forefront of his thoughts when considering transfers. Reason why we didn't bring in anyone last summer apart from two youngsters.

The only way it could happen is if one of our current front three is allowed to leave, for instance Salah or Mané. But I'm not sure I'd like this to be honest. Contrarily to what many people might think, Mbappe is far from the finished product. The French league is really too weak to draw any conclusions about the level he can reach, especially playing within a club cheating it's way to success with billions. He has impressed with the French national team and is no doubt a top prospect. But is that enough to unhinge a perfectly functioning starting frontline? Not in my book.
 

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Funny because I remember the name Sander Berge from a few years back, that was probably before (or just when) he went to Belgium. I can't remember when exactly. He was sort of linked/mentioned with us (like thousands are) through probably nothing more than another unreliable source.

@norwegian wood, do you like the kid? Is he a holding midfielder or?