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Serious talent , have to imagine Real have big plans for him though especially considering the age of Marcello and Carvajal.
Zidane has apparently but with that lot you never know what will happen with plans or with Zidane being manager there.
 

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It’s a tricky situation to find a back up to Robbo, as its not like the midfield, where you can shuffle your options a bit. You are either in or out, and since you would be the back up, you are mostly out.

So what are the options? Currently we have an injured Milner, who isn’t a left back, but is a consummate pro and covers the position adequately when called upon, but we do lose something compared to Robbo at his best, and Milner is starting to get on a bit, and no one can defeat time.

We also have a couple of kids, but the drop off to their current level is too great to put them in for a Prem game. We also have the option of playing an athletic center back like Gomez at left back, in a pinch, but this isn’t a great solution either.

All that is to say I would be happy enough if we signed Rose, provided the price was OK. He is better than anything else we have, apart from Robbo, and if he came in knowing the score about his position in the squad, all good.

I suspect he would want the sort of money a first choice player would want, and he might also want more game time than we could give him.
 

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It’s a tricky situation to find a back up to Robbo, as its not like the midfield, where you can shuffle your options a bit. You are either in or out, and since you would be the back up, you are mostly out.

So what are the options? Currently we have an injured Milner, who isn’t a left back, but is a consummate pro and covers the position adequately when called upon, but we do lose something compared to Robbo at his best, and Milner is starting to get on a bit, and no one can defeat time.

We also have a couple of kids, but the drop off to their current level is too great to put them in for a Prem game. We also have the option of playing an athletic center back like Gomez at left back, in a pinch, but this isn’t a great solution either.

All that is to say I would be happy enough if we signed Rose, provided the price was OK. He is better than anything else we have, apart from Robbo, and if he came in knowing the score about his position in the squad, all good.

I suspect he would want the sort of money a first choice player would want, and he might also want more game time than we could give him.
Are there any credible links to Rose, or where is this coming from? I think Klopp would probably prefer to bring in a young LB instead of a veteran stop-gap. A leftsided version of Hoever or Gomez would be the prototype
 

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Danny Rose has been shit for years and is a sulky twat.

Not at all what we need or should want.
I ain't here to defend D. Rose, but a year ago in the CL Final, he was Spurs's best player on the night and it was being reported that he was being recruited by United when Shaw got hurt. So being shit for years is just makes no sense at all. He's a bit sulky but we're not looking for someone as a starter, just someone of the adequate quality to give Robertson a break.
 

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I ain't here to defend D. Rose, but a year ago in the CL Final, he was Spurs's best player on the night and it was being reported that he was being recruited by United when Shaw got hurt. So being shit for years is just makes no sense at all. He's a bit sulky but we're not looking for someone as a starter, just someone of the adequate quality to give Robertson a break.
Nah, he is shit.
 

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Milner will back up LB next season, season after Larouci is either ready to step up or if he's not we'll probably look to the market then instead.
 

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And we went up a level when we finally got two quality fullbacks who could can play as quasi-wingers. That's the level, that's why its near impossible to get a back up.
Yes, but these two are arguably the best two players in the world at their position. There is no way we're gonna get replacements at a reasonable price, that is of that quality who are willing to sit on the bench. But what we can do is get an upgrade from Larouci/Milner and Gomez/etc. This is doable, Spurs had Rose/Davies and Aurier/Trippier. There are players available but we're not gonna be able to afford another Trent and Robbo.
 

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Milner will back up LB next season, season after Larouci is either ready to step up or if he's not we'll probably look to the market then instead.
Milner will be 34 this year, and Larouci needs 2-3 years of seasoning in the championship before he's even close to being ready to be a starter for us. Larouci from what I've seen isn't even close to WIlliams who played RB. Williams is the better prospect, Larouci isn't ready.
 

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Jamal Lewis of Norwich would be a much better alternative than Rose. Doesn't dive/cheat either.
Completely agree with this. Both Norwich FBs look like the requisite quality but there will be a bidding war on these players when Norwich goes down. From what I've read in the papers, it north of 60 mill for the pair, Norwich will be looking for 30+mill each for each FB. I'll see if I can find the article and post the link.
 

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Yes, but these two are arguably the best two players in the world at their position. There is no way we're gonna get replacements at a reasonable price, that is of that quality who are willing to sit on the bench. But what we can do is get an upgrade from Larouci/Milner and Gomez/etc. This is doable, Spurs had Rose/Davies and Aurier/Trippier. There are players available but we're not gonna be able to afford another Trent and Robbo.
We were less of a club when we bought Robertson for less than 10 million and I'm not convinced he made the move believing he would be our 100% guaranteed week in week out starter. Alexander-Arnold came through the academy and no way he would have fucked off elsewhere just because he wasn't given a starting role. Both earned it by being good. And at the times they had to earn it we weren't as successful which goes a long way to persuading a player. I've full confidence that if Klopp decides he needs a full back or two that the recruitment team will find them and they will be good to great. However I think it's much more likely that we get a multi positional player who covers LB as one of his positions if Larouci isn't seen as being ready within the next 18 months. If that player can cover RB I think it'll be seen as a bonus but Williams will be given the chance to grow into Trents back up (could argue that's already started) whilst the likes of Gomez, Henderson, Fabinho, Milner hell even Ox and Shaqiri could all offer an option there if a more experienced, level head was really required.
 

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Completely agree with this. Both Norwich FBs look like the requisite quality but there will be a bidding war on these players when Norwich goes down. From what I've read in the papers, it north of 60 mill for the pair, Norwich will be looking for 30+mill each for each FB. I'll see if I can find the article and post the link.
If Liverpool got Lewis for 35 million that’s a total cost of 43 million for two LBs. Pep would be spewing :LOL:
 

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Are there any credible links to Rose, or where is this coming from? I think Klopp would probably prefer to bring in a young LB instead of a veteran stop-gap. A leftsided version of Hoever or Gomez would be the prototype
I don’t know if there are credible links. I was responding to the chatter on the thread, and I think someone said on the beeb gossip a couple of days ago it was mentioned that 6 Prem teams had been linked with Rose.

I agree that Klopp would likely prefer to bring in a young LB.
 

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I would prefer to get Stig out of retirement or Djimi than see Rose in red.

I think Lewis could be the boy for us. Don't think Larouci will be with us long term.
 

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I think the key thing about signing Andy Robertson was that he didn't have Andy Robertson ahead of him in the team, which a new LB would.

IMO there's no way (or it's very, very unlikely) that a 22 year old, promising player coming off the back of playing 20+ (probably) Premier League games is going to make the decision to sit on the bench behind Robertson and allow his development to stall. No matter how strenuous a Klopp/Lijnders training session is, there is no substitute for playing time in competitive games. I know @Anfield rd Dreamer is going to get his calculator out and start telling me that there's X number of theoretical starts for a player not named A. Robertson every season, but there is simply no clear pathway into the team that looks any better than getting disjointed appearances in cup competitions and perhaps during the winter. You can't even tell a player that if they work hard and listen to the coaches in training then in three years they can be starting >50% of matches. Robertson will be 28. It's even going to be a stretch to manage the situation with Neco Williams on the right side into his early 20s if he keeps developing how we hope.

This was (is) the brilliance of Milner: beyond the consideration that an ageing midfielder could be a better fit stylistically for us than many "natural" fullbacks out there, Milner has continued to pick up minutes all over the field. It seems this season he is finally having to accept that they are going to be chosen in a more thoughtful manner, but one to two seasons ago he didn't have to worry about where his next game was coming from.

One possible way around this conundrum would be a LB/LCB hybrid, but it's difficult to imagine a player who could excel at both of those roles in this Liverpool side where the responsibilities are so different. Gomez shared time with Trent at RB in 17/18, but I don't think there was ever any doubt in anyone's mind about which of them was going to make that position his in the long term.

I think the unorthodox approach to providing cover for such a specialised* position has served us well so far and I imagine that Klopp and co. will continue to operate in this way. They have the players they want to be starting 90% of games in those positions; filling that other 10% requires some creative thinking with other assets in the squad. It's rather Totaalvoetbal in the sense that a hardworking, versatile, tactical, and intelligent player has a role almost anywhere in this Klopp side. Cloning Milner would probably be a more efficient use of resources than throwing money at young players who are known and hyped by every team in the league.

Speaking very hypothetically, if we are blessed to end up in a situation where Williams and Trent are both genuinely good enough to be starting players for Liverpool (the odds of this are low, if we are realistic) then I could see Trent doing a reverse-Milner and picking up minutes elsewhere on the pitch. But that is a situation we can only deal with if we get to it, and as of right now I would not plan on TAA being a midfielder.

(* The more I think about it, the more it feels inaccurate to call our fullbacks "specialised". I don't think Klopp has a dogmatic/prescriptive idea that a Liverpool fullback has to duplicate the talents of Robertson and TAA [who are quite different themselves]. I think the success of Milner at LB under Klopp suggests instead that the fullbacks are a generalist position which requires a very high and broad level of skills rather than uniquely specific skills.)
 
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After the minamino signing i can see us buying Shrewsbury's left back. Kept young Harvey Elliot in his back pocket all game. Infinitely better than Lucas Digne and could probably auction off just one of Mo Salah's shoelaces to cover the cost and then some.
 

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I think the key thing about signing Andy Robertson was that he didn't have Andy Robertson ahead of him in the team, which a new LB would.

IMO there's no way (or it's very, very unlikely) that a 22 year old, promising player coming off the back of playing 20+ (probably) Premier League games is going to make the decision to sit on the bench behind Robertson and allow his development to stall. No matter how strenuous a Klopp/Lijnders training session is, there is no substitute for playing time in competitive games. I know @Anfield rd Dreamer is going to get his calculator out and start telling me that there's X number of theoretical starts for a player not named A. Robertson every season, but there is simply no clear pathway into the team that looks any better than getting disjointed appearances in cup competitions and perhaps during the winter. You can't even tell a player that if they work hard and listen to the coaches in training then in three years they can be starting >50% of matches. Robertson will be 28. It's even going to be a stretch to manage the situation with Neco Williams into his early 20s if he keeps developing how we hope.

This was (is) the brilliance of Milner: beyond the consideration that an ageing midfielder could be a better fit stylistically for us than many "natural" fullbacks out there, Milner has continued to pick up minutes all over the field. It seems this season he is finally having to accept that they are going to be chosen in a more thoughtful manner, but one to two seasons ago he didn't have to worry about where his next game was coming from.

One possible way around this conundrum would be a LB/LCB hybrid, but it's difficult to imagine a player who could excel at both of those roles in this Liverpool side where the responsibilities are so different. Gomez shared time with Trent at RB in 17/18, but I don't think there was ever any doubt in anyone's mind about which of them was going to make that position his in the long term.

I think the unorthodox approach to providing cover for such a specialised* position has served us well so far and I imagine that Klopp and co. will continue to operate in this way. They have the players they want to be starting 90% of games in those positions; filling that other 10% requires some creative thinking with other assets in the squad. It's rather Totaalvoetbal in the sense that a hardworking, versatile, tactical, and intelligent player has a role almost anywhere in this Klopp side. Cloning Milner would probably be a more efficient use of resources than throwing money at young players who are known and hyped by every team in the league.

Speaking very hypothetically, if we are blessed to end up in a situation where Williams and Trent are both genuinely good enough to be starting players for Liverpool (the odds of this are low, if we are realistic) then I could see Trent doing a reverse-Milner and picking up minutes elsewhere on the pitch. But that is a situation we can only deal with if we get to it, and as of right now I would not plan on TAA being a midfielder.

(* The more I think about it, the more it feels inaccurate to call our fullbacks "specialised". I don't think Klopp has a dogmatic/prescriptive idea that a Liverpool fullback has to duplicate the talents of Robertson and TAA [who are quite different themselves]. I think the success of Milner at LB under Klopp suggests instead that the fullbacks are a generalist position which requires a very high and broad level of skills rather than uniquely specific skills.)
Err what I actually said was;

"However I think it's much more likely that we get a multi positional player who covers LB as one of his positions if Larouci isn't seen as being ready within the next 18 months."

Maybe someone who can stay wide left throwing crosses in Robertson style with his left foot (and defensive enough to get away with playing LB) but able to cut inside from RW and take shots with his left foot too? Or able to play as a combative playmaker in CM whilst also being a good enough LB option kind of like Fabinho being our starting DM but has historically played an awful lot at RB or how people keep predicting Alexander-Arnold will be used in CM? Think the player will likely be a cover player primarily though. Like Minamino seems to be.
 

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Must admit I am a bit dissapointed that we have not strengthend important positions through 2 transfer windows while we were in a strong porition to do so financially and from the point of view that as Euro champs we were/are would be a club players would want to join. We do need cover for Robbo and we also need another good stiker. If any of our front 3 get injured we could struggle for goals. Origi has put in some heroic performances but is not consistent enough. I am far from convinced Minanino is good enough particularly as a central striker. Shaqu is injured to often and is not exactly a goal machine. Furthermore we have no one at the academy who is anywhere near ready to even get a sniff.
 

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Err what I actually said was;

"However I think it's much more likely that we get a multi positional player who covers LB as one of his positions if Larouci isn't seen as being ready within the next 18 months."

Maybe someone who can stay wide left throwing crosses in Robertson style with his left foot (and defensive enough to get away with playing LB) but able to cut inside from RW and take shots with his left foot too? Or able to play as a combative playmaker in CM whilst also being a good enough LB option kind of like Fabinho being our starting DM but has historically played an awful lot at RB or how people keep predicting Alexander-Arnold will be used in CM? Think the player will likely be a cover player primarily though. Like Minamino seems to be.
That was sloppy on my part, it sounds like we very much agree. I was just making a little joke about your line of reasoning when talking about forward depth. I should have been more clear that I was responding to the general suggestion of Lewis, not replying specifically to you. (y)
 

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That was sloppy on my part, it sounds like we very much agree. I was just making a little joke about your line of reasoning when talking about forward depth. I should have been more clear that I was responding to the general suggestion of Lewis, not replying specifically to you. (y)
That's ok no worries. Do think depth is important but not too much depth. 2 senior, established, international level, players per position is too much. Especially if we want to introduce youth players from our academy. I'd say there should be 15 outfield players that are "starter" standard that cover every starting position in 433 and 4231 twice between them. On top of that maybe 10 players who range from Shaqiri style cover players to Jones style prospects who, between them offer another option or two to each role. I think signing a RB and a LB would be overkill. One player who can play LB and another position or two would be fine he could cover LB for the times Robertson doesn't play and still get game time elsewhere. Think its arguable we don't need that player right now with Milner around but he will be needed at some point and should be good enough to be one of the "15" I mentioned. Also believe we need the same up top as we have too many squad cover players and youth prospects and not enough in terms of top quality for the here and now (although what we have got is obviously as good as we could want). Just my opinion obviously.
 

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The comments by Wijnaldum today suggest that there's a difference in how much the club want to commit compared to what sort of commitment he himself wants, in terms of years and salary.

Wijnaldum's current contract expires in 2021, by which time he'll be close to 31. That fact undoubtedly makes it quite unlikely that the club will want to offer him a lucrative long-term contract, and the best he could probably expect is something along the lines of what Milner got, which is probably going to edge him towards going elsewhere where he can secure a longer deal.

On another note, in that same article it mentions that the club has the option to extend Lovren's contract by another year beyond 2021, which is really positive for two reasons. Firstly, it means that the club won't be forced to settle for a lesser return in the transfer market. And secondly, it means that the club can hold onto him as 4th choice CB for a little bit longer which could be the optimal timing with regards to Hoever and/or Van den Berg's development as his replacement.
 

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Must say this is one of the quietest winter window for a long time.
 

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Must say this is one of the quietest winter window for a long time.

I've found I'm so comfortable with it that I don't even know what's going on with the other teams in the window. I'd usually hear every rumour from constant searching of possible news for us but these days it's like oh United are overpaying for him ? Meh
 

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We were less of a club when we bought Robertson for less than 10 million and I'm not convinced he made the move believing he would be our 100% guaranteed week in week out starter.
Of course he did.

Whether it’s a conversation with Klopp, his agent, or just puzzling it out by himself, he can look at that Liverpool side and see that his competition for a starting place are a veteran midfielder who doesn’t want to play there, and an odd lad in the last year of his contract who the fans don’t like and doesn’t seem to know how to play football. There is no hot academy prospect that he is going to be competing with. Whether he thinks he is getting in straightaway or he’s going to have to bide his time a bit, he can see a route to the first team and the move makes sense.

Any left back we target now is going to see the World’s Best Left Back ahead of them, and unless they have delusional levels of self belief, have completely understandable questions about where they get their game.