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BBC rumours page:
Leverkusen's 20-year-old Germany midfielder Kai Havertz, thought to be a target of Liverpool, could be available in the summer transfer window, according to the club's sporting director. (Goal)
 

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Saw links to Milot Rashica for around 30mil. Looks fast but not as fast as Salah or Mane. Plays abit more like Salah then Mane in that he likes to take the ball and dribble and shoot unlike Mane who loves the quick 1-2 alot of times. Again there are probably no lack of these kind of players, fast enough, hardworking, could assist and score goals and discipline at the price level of 30-60mil. The reason why we can buy at these price levels is because we have the confidence of the coaching team and scouting team to scout the right player and the coaching team to develop them into the right player for our system rather than spending 100mil for a so called ready made player. We could, but its a choice rather than a need.
 

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I’ve never posted rumours before as I know 99% are bollox....but....from someone I know well who is not a bullshitter - Werner is a done deal, Sancho isn’t far behind. The flip side is that Salah will be moving on in the summer. I for one would be quite happy with this.
 

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How are we looking on homegrown/association specific players for next year? Will losing Lallana and Clyne put us in a position where we have to find someone that checks multiple boxes (i.e. target AND english etc etc)? I am not too familiar on these rules. Thanks in advance
 

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How are we looking on homegrown/association specific players for next year? Will losing Lallana and Clyne put us in a position where we have to find someone that checks multiple boxes (i.e. target AND english etc etc)? I am not too familiar on these rules. Thanks in advance
How many games do we have to replace with a new homegrown player if we lose Clyne?
 

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I’ve never posted rumours before as I know 99% are bollox....but....from someone I know well who is not a bullshitter - Werner is a done deal, Sancho isn’t far behind. The flip side is that Salah will be moving on in the summer. I for one would be quite happy with this.
Where is Salah going in this supposed situation then?
 

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My understanding is this that you can have max 17 non-homegrown players in the 25 man premier league squad and we have 15 so we could replace clyne and lallana with 'foreign' players and still be okay.

But honestly I try and understand it every year and still get confused because i can never figure out how old our young players are and if they count as under 21s or seniors.
If I've got it right they are under 21 if they are under 21 on the 1st of Jan in the calendar year during which the season starts. So if they turn 22 on 2nd January 2020 they will still be an "under 21" till the end of the 2020/21 season, by which time they'll be 23. I think. It might be 20 or younger on 1st Jan in which case they could be as old as 22 instead.

Also just to complicate things further in European squad lists they only count as under 21s if they have been on your clubs books for 2 full seasons or longer. So if it's an 18 year old from Germany or somewhere he will count as a foreign "senior" player and if it's an 18 year old from somewhere like Wigan they count as a "senior" homegrown player on those lists.

It's not how many people seem to think anyway. You have it right. You are limited to 25 senior players both domestically and in Europe. But a maximum of 17 can be foreign. But that number would obviously go down if you had more home grown players. If you had 12 home grown senior players you would be limited to 13 foreign for instance. With the hopes from our academy that wouldn't be an outrageous expectation in a few years. Grabara/Kelleher, Gomez, Phillips, Hoever, Larouci, Alexander-Arnold, Williams, Jones, Elliott, Woodburn, Wilson, Brewster and several others would all count as homegrown when they are considered over 21s if they are still with us I think. In fact they'd all count as club developed too probably and in Europe there are four senior spots in the 25 that you can only fill with club developed players.
 

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I’ve never posted rumours before as I know 99% are bollox....but....from someone I know well who is not a bullshitter - Werner is a done deal, Sancho isn’t far behind. The flip side is that Salah will be moving on in the summer. I for one would be quite happy with this.
Thanks for posting in good faith. We’ll see what happens, but I would be fine with that too. Sancho and Werner in, Mo out. The team evolves, the age comes down a bit, and the depth goes up, not just overall but especially for AFCON.

Mind you, if it is Horlicks and Mo stays, I would be happy with that too. Turns out he can play!
 

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I’ve never posted rumours before as I know 99% are bollox....but....from someone I know well who is not a bullshitter - Werner is a done deal, Sancho isn’t far behind. The flip side is that Salah will be moving on in the summer. I for one would be quite happy with this.
Funny you mention this, as today a Merseyside mate posted on a message board that he’s heard from a reputable source that Mo will be leaving this summer also.
 

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Lots of chatter these last few months about Mo leaving in the Summer. I would hate to lose him but taking all the emotion out of it, I would completely understand if he wants to move on to a new professional challenge. He came back to PL and proved to the world he could dominate in the best league in the world. Won a CL medal, which he himself said was his lifelong dream, and is now on the verge of winning a League medal. Whatever the outcome I’ll always appreciate what he’s done for our club.
 

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IIRC Klopp seemed pretty confident that we would be hanging on to the front 3 for at least another season a little while ago. Of course, things can change very quickly but the safe money's always been to take the manager on face value.

This isn't a shot at the posters who have reported these rumours about Salah that are apparently circulating. It's not the most far-fetched idea that he might want to leave for a new challenge after winning the CL and (hopefully) the PL with Liverpool. In saying that, given how tight lipped everyone at the club are in regards to transfers, I'd be very surprised if these whispers were emanating from a legitimate source.

Keeping Mo as a known quantity who has scored a mountain of goals for us is clearly the most desirable option. Putting that to side for a second though, if he did want to go I'd be all in on the Werner + Sancho train.
 

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If we ever lost one of the front three, even though he scores a hat full of goals I think to the team Salah would be the least of a loss, Sadio would be a massive loss and tough to deal with but losing Bobby that would break me, he is perfect foil for Klopp's system so if we did bring say Werner and Sancho in then if we lose Mo though a loss it would be like a band aid it will only hurt for a little while when you pull it off. For their age Sancho and Werner would be long term for the club.
Still reckon only Werner will come in out of the two though.
 

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I could see Mo leaving, maybe not this summer, but by the end of this season he will have done it all in England. CL and EPL winner, Club World Cup, Golden Boot all goes to plan he may even have an FA Cup and a second CL winners medal by seasons end who knows. My point is he doesn't have a lot else to prove in England. He failed here with Chelsea first time round, which I blame Mourinho for personally, but he has come back and set that right and dominated the toughest league in the world and won it all so he maybe at the point where he wants to move on, new challenge, nicer weather, less physical game play, bigger pay packet there are plenty of reasons.

The reality is we still that we don't pay the best wages in the world. A club like Real or PSG would probably double what he is on with us in a heartbeat. He is 27 now and approaching his final big deal and given his game is largely built around his speed which will diminish over time he might think now is the right time to make the move whilst he is still youngish and performing at his optimum.

Can't blame him, his career is short relatively speaking and he has given us 100% from the day he walked into the club helping us to reach our dreams so if he does want to move on I can only wish him well and say thanks for the memories and good luck (except when you play us)

With all that said I hope he stays with us for the rest of his career and becomes a genuine club legend. He's on that path now and despite him not hitting the heights of his first season he is still a very very effective player who we are lucky to have.
 

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I don’t see why anyone would want to leave the best team in the world at the moment.
We don’t need to sell to buy so if Salah is leaving then that decision is 100% down to Jurgen.

mo hasn’t had a bad 3 years here has he. Golden boot, leagues top scorer x 2, 2 CL finals winning it once, super cup, CWC trophy as well and that’s before this season is over which we are still in the race for 3 trophies.
 

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I don’t see why anyone would want to leave the best team in the world at the moment.
We don’t need to sell to buy so if Salah is leaving then that decision is 100% down to Jurgen.

mo hasn’t had a bad 3 years here has he. Golden boot, leagues top scorer x 2, 2 CL finals winning it once, super cup, CWC trophy as well and that’s before this season is over which we are still in the race for 3 trophies.
The only teeny weeny chance of any player pushing for a move elsewhere is probably personal ambition. A child hood dream growing up supporting Madrid, Barca or Bayern etc. I dont see any indication of any of our players hinting at that
 

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I don’t see why anyone would want to leave the best team in the world at the moment.
We don’t need to sell to buy so if Salah is leaving then that decision is 100% down to Jurgen.

mo hasn’t had a bad 3 years here has he. Golden boot, leagues top scorer x 2, 2 CL finals winning it once, super cup, CWC trophy as well and that’s before this season is over which we are still in the race for 3 trophies.
Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
 

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People panicking about losing Mo for Afcon but also assuming other clubs will sign him despite AFCON?

Given the likely fee I can't see anyone going for Mo this summer.
 

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Yea if we can suck that amt from barsuckerona for Coutinho, we can get at least triple for Salah and no one will.
 

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Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
Im not ok with losing him by any means but I think with Klopp in charge and the quality of our squad and our game plan and style of plays meaning we are no longer dependent on individuals as we have been the last 20 years and that we would get 150 mil which Klopp and Edwards have shown they can use very effectively it makes me less worried about players leaving.

In the past when the mere thought of out Talisman Owen, Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho leaving filled me with dread. Coutinho left and we got better literally straight away and have become the best team in the world since so I am alot more relaxed about this stuff than I use to be. We just aren't that club anymore.
 

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Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
I completely agree with all your points.

And yet, I’m sort of OK with him going. Not because I’m down playing his contribution, or think it will be a doddle to replace him.

It’s that I think he was always going to go at some point.

It comes down ultimately to what the player wants, and for someone like Salah who is genuinely a global superstar and an unofficial ambassador for his country (if not his whole continent) he might want to move on for a variety of reasons we have no control over.

We are right now one of the biggest clubs in the world. We can certainly afford to keep him. We don’t have to sell in the slightest.

But we can’t offer him the opportunity to conquer La Liga, for example. Or to experience a new culture.

I think we all have to be grown up about players and as long as everyone trusts each other, plays fair, and is clear about their plans and their ambition it’s fine.

What we can expect not to to happen is the kind of Coutinho situation where we plan for a player to stay for a season, and then another (perceived to be bigger) club come in, unsettle him, and force the move against our wishes. There is no need to be bullied by anyone.

But we still have to accept that there are other experiences to LFC that players might want to explore. I think if players are up front with Klopp and give us time to plan for these departures, then it’s cool. We don’t want to be in the position where we are trying to keep players against their will, because ultimately that does the club no favours in the long run either.

Given the choice would I rather see Mo Salah stay. Yes, of course. I’d love to see him here for years. But if he wants to leave, as long as he has been fair with the club and Klopp, I trust our lads to put that money to good use and strengthen us a result.
 

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I agree with the poster who pointed out that they couldn't see Mo moving to Real after the shithouse tactics in the CL final.

You'd think there are very, very few clubs on the planet that could afford him. City are obviously out. PSG... perhaps, but what can they offer that we can't? Strolling to the title in an unglamorous league every year while failing in Europe? Seems like a step down to me. Barca? Not even sure they could afford him any more, and the club seems to be in a proper mess right now and will be fucked when Messi leaves/retires. Real... I just struggle to see him happily sharing a changing room with Ramos. Juve have thrown some money around recently, but can't see anyone in Serie A being able to afford him.

And that's it. For Mo to leave will basically require him to forgive what what done to him in the final to the extent that he lobbies for a move to Real, as that's the only circumstance the club would allow him to move.