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I could see Mo leaving, maybe not this summer, but by the end of this season he will have done it all in England. CL and EPL winner, Club World Cup, Golden Boot all goes to plan he may even have an FA Cup and a second CL winners medal by seasons end who knows. My point is he doesn't have a lot else to prove in England. He failed here with Chelsea first time round, which I blame Mourinho for personally, but he has come back and set that right and dominated the toughest league in the world and won it all so he maybe at the point where he wants to move on, new challenge, nicer weather, less physical game play, bigger pay packet there are plenty of reasons.

The reality is we still that we don't pay the best wages in the world. A club like Real or PSG would probably double what he is on with us in a heartbeat. He is 27 now and approaching his final big deal and given his game is largely built around his speed which will diminish over time he might think now is the right time to make the move whilst he is still youngish and performing at his optimum.

Can't blame him, his career is short relatively speaking and he has given us 100% from the day he walked into the club helping us to reach our dreams so if he does want to move on I can only wish him well and say thanks for the memories and good luck (except when you play us)

With all that said I hope he stays with us for the rest of his career and becomes a genuine club legend. He's on that path now and despite him not hitting the heights of his first season he is still a very very effective player who we are lucky to have.
 

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I don’t see why anyone would want to leave the best team in the world at the moment.
We don’t need to sell to buy so if Salah is leaving then that decision is 100% down to Jurgen.

mo hasn’t had a bad 3 years here has he. Golden boot, leagues top scorer x 2, 2 CL finals winning it once, super cup, CWC trophy as well and that’s before this season is over which we are still in the race for 3 trophies.
 

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I don’t see why anyone would want to leave the best team in the world at the moment.
We don’t need to sell to buy so if Salah is leaving then that decision is 100% down to Jurgen.

mo hasn’t had a bad 3 years here has he. Golden boot, leagues top scorer x 2, 2 CL finals winning it once, super cup, CWC trophy as well and that’s before this season is over which we are still in the race for 3 trophies.
The only teeny weeny chance of any player pushing for a move elsewhere is probably personal ambition. A child hood dream growing up supporting Madrid, Barca or Bayern etc. I dont see any indication of any of our players hinting at that
 

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I don’t see why anyone would want to leave the best team in the world at the moment.
We don’t need to sell to buy so if Salah is leaving then that decision is 100% down to Jurgen.

mo hasn’t had a bad 3 years here has he. Golden boot, leagues top scorer x 2, 2 CL finals winning it once, super cup, CWC trophy as well and that’s before this season is over which we are still in the race for 3 trophies.
Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
 

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People panicking about losing Mo for Afcon but also assuming other clubs will sign him despite AFCON?

Given the likely fee I can't see anyone going for Mo this summer.
 

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Yea if we can suck that amt from barsuckerona for Coutinho, we can get at least triple for Salah and no one will.
 

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Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
Im not ok with losing him by any means but I think with Klopp in charge and the quality of our squad and our game plan and style of plays meaning we are no longer dependent on individuals as we have been the last 20 years and that we would get 150 mil which Klopp and Edwards have shown they can use very effectively it makes me less worried about players leaving.

In the past when the mere thought of out Talisman Owen, Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho leaving filled me with dread. Coutinho left and we got better literally straight away and have become the best team in the world since so I am alot more relaxed about this stuff than I use to be. We just aren't that club anymore.
 

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Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
I completely agree with all your points.

And yet, I’m sort of OK with him going. Not because I’m down playing his contribution, or think it will be a doddle to replace him.

It’s that I think he was always going to go at some point.

It comes down ultimately to what the player wants, and for someone like Salah who is genuinely a global superstar and an unofficial ambassador for his country (if not his whole continent) he might want to move on for a variety of reasons we have no control over.

We are right now one of the biggest clubs in the world. We can certainly afford to keep him. We don’t have to sell in the slightest.

But we can’t offer him the opportunity to conquer La Liga, for example. Or to experience a new culture.

I think we all have to be grown up about players and as long as everyone trusts each other, plays fair, and is clear about their plans and their ambition it’s fine.

What we can expect not to to happen is the kind of Coutinho situation where we plan for a player to stay for a season, and then another (perceived to be bigger) club come in, unsettle him, and force the move against our wishes. There is no need to be bullied by anyone.

But we still have to accept that there are other experiences to LFC that players might want to explore. I think if players are up front with Klopp and give us time to plan for these departures, then it’s cool. We don’t want to be in the position where we are trying to keep players against their will, because ultimately that does the club no favours in the long run either.

Given the choice would I rather see Mo Salah stay. Yes, of course. I’d love to see him here for years. But if he wants to leave, as long as he has been fair with the club and Klopp, I trust our lads to put that money to good use and strengthen us a result.
 

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I agree with the poster who pointed out that they couldn't see Mo moving to Real after the shithouse tactics in the CL final.

You'd think there are very, very few clubs on the planet that could afford him. City are obviously out. PSG... perhaps, but what can they offer that we can't? Strolling to the title in an unglamorous league every year while failing in Europe? Seems like a step down to me. Barca? Not even sure they could afford him any more, and the club seems to be in a proper mess right now and will be fucked when Messi leaves/retires. Real... I just struggle to see him happily sharing a changing room with Ramos. Juve have thrown some money around recently, but can't see anyone in Serie A being able to afford him.

And that's it. For Mo to leave will basically require him to forgive what what done to him in the final to the extent that he lobbies for a move to Real, as that's the only circumstance the club would allow him to move.
 

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I think it is also worth considering here that the only club we ever mention in connection with a move for Mo is Real Madrid. They are also interested in Mbappe. It is unlikely we will see them in for both unless their contracts are running down.

Furthermore, given City's problems there is now the potential for their players to be targeted by Real - I see Sterling is being quoted on the BBC about Real Madrid.
 

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I agree with the poster who pointed out that they couldn't see Mo moving to Real after the shithouse tactics in the CL final.

You'd think there are very, very few clubs on the planet that could afford him. City are obviously out. PSG... perhaps, but what can they offer that we can't? Strolling to the title in an unglamorous league every year while failing in Europe? Seems like a step down to me. Barca? Not even sure they could afford him any more, and the club seems to be in a proper mess right now and will be fucked when Messi leaves/retires. Real... I just struggle to see him happily sharing a changing room with Ramos. Juve have thrown some money around recently, but can't see anyone in Serie A being able to afford him.

And that's it. For Mo to leave will basically require him to forgive what what done to him in the final to the extent that he lobbies for a move to Real, as that's the only circumstance the club would allow him to move.
I dont think it is an issue. Mo will understand that is what happens in football. Ramos's contract is also running down so he will probably leaving in the next year or two.

I agree that it is difficult to see any other club bar Real Madrid being in for him in the next couple of years - and even they arent guarenteed.
 

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Im not ok with losing him by any means but I think with Klopp in charge and the quality of our squad and our game plan and style of plays meaning we are no longer dependent on individuals as we have been the last 20 years and that we would get 150 mil which Klopp and Edwards have shown they can use very effectively it makes me less worried about players leaving.

In the past when the mere thought of out Talisman Owen, Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho leaving filled me with dread. Coutinho left and we got better literally straight away and have become the best team in the world since so I am alot more relaxed about this stuff than I use to be. We just aren't that club anymore.
I generally agree with this and with what @Mascot88 has said.

We have never been stronger and more capable of allowing a top player leave, on our terms, and be ok with it.

I do think however his contribution isn't really being appreciated too well. In one injury to Salah we went from having Real on the ropes and looking like the only team in it to win it to holding on and hoping we could keep Real out at the back (which didn't work because of Karius concussion but eventually they'd have even broke through Alisson even if it might have taken extra time to do so) and not looking like we were ever going to score.

This guy has more goals, assists, key passes and created chances than anyone else in our squad since coming in (although Trent may have caught him on assists by now).

Yes we aren't as reliant on one or two stars as we used to be but we really are still reliant on Salah, he goes and the money would (probably successfully) be used by our excellent recruitment team to replace him. But it might be that, no matter how good the individual replacing him is (Mbappe/Sancho), we need to improve other areas of the pitch to compensate for his departure. It will have a knock on effect throughout the side not just one in one out straight swap.
 

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Only way I see Mo ending up at Real is if Liverpool sign Mbappe. Mbappe to Real has been in the cards for years and I don’t see how they could afford both.
 

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MC headline today -

Raheem Sterling says Real Madrid are a 'fantastic club' but is 'really happy' at Manchester City

~Hmmmm - hedging his bets maybe?
 

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If Mo is happy here and wants to stay, we keep him. Great player, settled, very reliable goal scorer. There would be no need to disrupt that. However...

If after winning the CL and Prem with us, he decided he wanted a new challenge, thinking he’s got one big move left to try another country and league, he would go with his head held high and with our blessing.

At that point we would have a lot of money to play with, especially when you factor in the minimal spend over the past year. If we sign Sancho + Werner, bring it in. It’s unseemly to agitate for that, as Mo is rightly a top star. So if he stays, that’s fantastic. But if he goes, I’m confident we will come up smelling of roses.

And while we pat it, maybe if we signed two players Origi would be restless, and he would be looking to leave to see more action. Bayer Leverkusen would be a great fit, and in some sort of deal we could see Havertz continue to mature there for one more year before coming to us in the summer of 2021.
 

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I generally agree with this and with what @Mascot88 has said.

We have never been stronger and more capable of allowing a top player leave, on our terms, and be ok with it.

I do think however his contribution isn't really being appreciated too well. In one injury to Salah we went from having Real on the ropes and looking like the only team in it to win it to holding on and hoping we could keep Real out at the back (which didn't work because of Karius concussion but eventually they'd have even broke through Alisson even if it might have taken extra time to do so) and not looking like we were ever going to score.

This guy has more goals, assists, key passes and created chances than anyone else in our squad since coming in (although Trent may have caught him on assists by now).

Yes we aren't as reliant on one or two stars as we used to be but we really are still reliant on Salah, he goes and the money would (probably successfully) be used by our excellent recruitment team to replace him. But it might be that, no matter how good the individual replacing him is (Mbappe/Sancho), we need to improve other areas of the pitch to compensate for his departure. It will have a knock on effect throughout the side not just one in one out straight swap.
Except that, you know, we did score 1. After Mo left the game.
 

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I’ve never posted rumours before as I know 99% are bollox....but....from someone I know well who is not a bullshitter - Werner is a done deal, Sancho isn’t far behind. The flip side is that Salah will be moving on in the summer. I for one would be quite happy with this.
If we get Werner AND Sancho, I have absolutely no problem with Salah moving on. I, in fact, would be quite happy as well. Salah, despite his still scoring goals, just doesn't look the same this season. He has been frustrating to watch.
 

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If we ever lost one of the front three, even though he scores a hat full of goals I think to the team Salah would be the least of a loss, Sadio would be a massive loss and tough to deal with but losing Bobby that would break me, he is perfect foil for Klopp's system so if we did bring say Werner and Sancho in then if we lose Mo though a loss it would be like a band aid it will only hurt for a little while when you pull it off. For their age Sancho and Werner would be long term for the club.
Still reckon only Werner will come in out of the two though.
Agreed
 

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Personally dont think he is going anywhere. I find these discussions disturbing though because;

1; So many seem ok with the idea of losing him. Nobody in Liverpool's long, illustrious and successful history has scored at a better rate than him.

2; Nobody in the Premier League era for any team has had a season like his first with us. Not Ronaldo, not Henry, not Shearer. Some of the most prolific goal scorers of recent times have played in our league, he out did them all.

3; People still seem to have this "Well if the big clubs come calling...." attitude. Don't like it, never have but especially now. Let's get this straight we've turned a corner, we are a historically massive club, our 70s and 80s teams are up there amongst the best sides in the history of the sport. Currently we are operating as the best team in the world. We are the most likely candidate for a team that could have a period of real dominance in the sport. Some clubs, thanks to historic or current financial doping, have better finances than us but we have incredible revenues coming in that will be ever increasing the more successful we get and we are really savvy with our money.

4; Klopp thrives on having a settled squad. For all his lack of appreciation Salah is probably the forward Klopp can cope without the least as proven by him having to play through ankle injury pain.

We shouldn't and don't need to sell in an attempt to finance improvements to our near perfect squad. If we do we certainly shouldn't sell such a historically special, phenomenal, talent.
Understand what you're saying, but I think it's clear- despite all he has accomplished- that his form this season has not been the same and it sure feels like if he has ambition to play elsewhere that now is the time to cash in, get younger and potentially deeper at the same time. There have also been a few moments this season where his (perhaps) selfishness has created issues. I love Mo and all he has done for the club, but now may be the right time to part IF he's ready to perhaps leave.
 

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Understand what you're saying, but I think it's clear- despite all he has accomplished- that his form this season has not been the same and it sure feels like if he has ambition to play elsewhere that now is the time to cash in, get younger and potentially deeper at the same time. There have also been a few moments this season where his (perhaps) selfishness has created issues. I love Mo and all he has done for the club, but now may be the right time to part IF he's ready to perhaps leave.
Just addressing some of your points:
  • Salah has scored 18 goals (two more than Mané) and made 9 assists so far. On a whole season, that's roughly 25-30 goals. Not as many as in his first season with us, but still an impressive amount.
  • Forwards are selfish, they have to if they want to score goals. However, Mo's assist rate is impressive too and shows that he is able to pick out a team-mate.
  • Salah will move elsewhere if he asks for it. But nothing he has said or done so far suggests this. You never know in football, but I think it's a safe bet to say that he'll be with us next season.
 

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I feel like I say it a lot but... I have no idea why people are obsessed with the idea of getting younger players in to replace our front three.

Top goals and assists (combined) in Europe's top five leagues...

31 - Immobile - Lazio (30 years old)
26 - Lewandowski - Bayern Munich (31 years old)

26 - Sancho - Dortmund (19 years old)
26 - Werner - Leipzig (23 years old)
25 - Messi - Barcelona (32 years old)
23 - De Bruyne - Man City (28 years old)
22 - Vardy - Leicester (33 years old)
20 - Di Maria - PSG (32 years old)
20 - Ronaldo - Juventus (35 years old)
20 - Ben Yedder - Monaco (29 years old)


Of the top 10 only two players are younger than 28 years old (and they both play in Germany... make of that what you want). Our three haven't even reached their "peak" years yet but apparently people are OK with letting them go so we can be younger. I think many people make the mistake of thinking about "we can have our right wing sorted for the next 10 years" etc. It never happens that way. Live for today. Win trophies today.

In fact, keep reading down the list...

Mbappe, Lukaku, Rashford, Suarez, Muller, Benzema, Neymar, Aguero, Jimenez, Niederlechner, Mane, Reus, Ings, Salah, Ilicic, Osimhen, Abraham, Firmino, Gnabry, Aubameyang.

Eight of the next 20 names are under 28 years old. Two of them belong to us already.

In total, only 10 of the 30 most prolific players in Europe are under 28 years old. Of those 10, 5 play in the relatively "weaker" French and German leagues. Of the 5 playing in the 3 elite European leagues (England, Spain and Italy), Liverpool own 2 of them.

There is no need to get younger. If we really think Sancho or Werner or Snoop Doggy Dog is better than our current players then go ahead and replace them but if we are getting rid of Salah, Mane or Firmino because we want to "plan for the future" then we are ignoring the evidence all around Europe that they are likely to remain elite for years to come.
 
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Very slim chance of course but I would find it banter if Sterling returns to Liverpool after the Man City situation lol.
 

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If we get Werner AND Sancho, I have absolutely no problem with Salah moving on. I, in fact, would be quite happy as well. Salah, despite his still scoring goals, just doesn't look the same this season. He has been frustrating to watch.
Salah got quite a limiting ankle injury. As we couldn't afford to build up the lead we have in the league he had to play through that injury instead of recuperating for a few weeks. That was the period he was closest to being disappointing. And he did that for us. Still only Vardy has more combined goals and assists than him in the league this year. Our success over the last 3 years has been as much down to him as anyone else in our squad. He's been essential since arriving in every season, including this one.
 

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At the end of the day there isn't a team in the world that wouldn't kill to have Salah playing for them... so why is there such a widespread, if not welcoming, then acceptance that he will leave?

If he wants to go I'm sure Klopp won't stand in his way, but unless that happens I wouldn't be making any moves to edge him closer to the door. The guy is an elite level player, will be for some years yet, and I'd rather he was playing for us than anyone else.