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Realistically they could double his wages, imagine hes on 150k + per week

So maybe they offer 300k a week and offer us 200 mil transfer fee.

I dont see him leaving. He seems happy, he’s playing at such a high level on a team winning the biggeat trophies in club football which he has been a significant contributor to and he’s seen PC get his dream move to Spain only to see it blow up so why move and risk all that.

Think they will be after Mbappe
I think its fair to think Mane/Salah are within a top 5 of any top 10 team looking for a wide forward. Possibly only Real and PSG who could afford either though. I doubt either would go to PSG and as you say Madrid want Mbappe.
 

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In our match threads Mane usually seems to score a bit lower in the MOTM stakes, on the whole, whereas to my eye he looks so threatening and I usually have him high up the list. He is so fast over the crucial first 5-10 yards, much faster than anyone else, and he tracks back and wins the ball back so effectively, still high up the pitch. Goals, dribbling, assists. The other day Rio Ferdinand said Mane was the one Liverpool player he would not have liked to have played against.

All that is to say, do one Real Madrid!
 

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Funnily enough, the only players I wouldn't have problems with Liverpool selling them are the ones who are about to be sold anyway (Lovren, Grujić, Wilson and Shaqiri, as well as majority of those "lesser" names who are out on loan). After them, Matip and Origi look like the ones who could go, maybe next year. That said, we'll see what happens with this virus outbreak, hopefully it will be taken care of and it won't have any serious consequences on the world. If the season is moved back or whatever, transfer window will probably be moved as well.
 

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Funnily enough, the only players I wouldn't have problems with Liverpool selling them are the ones who are about to be sold anyway (Lovren, Grujić, Wilson and Shaqiri, as well as majority of those "lesser" names who are out on loan). After them, Matip and Origi look like the ones who could go, maybe next year.
Think we will keep only Matip out of all the names you mentioned. His best is definitely good enough, he only lost his starting spot due to injury, in the same way Joe did before him too. He is at least good enough to be our 3rd or 4th choice option.

All the rest I think will go, Wilson and Grujic will easily move to a decent team, Lovren will go to Italy and Shaqiri might follow him. They both need a league that operates at a slower pace. Not sure where Origi goes he may stay in the EPL but would expect all of them to move on and the squad get reasonable freshen up this summer.
 

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Anyhoo...just addressing the Sporting Lisbon situation since our friend mentioned that Man City had offered a contract to Rafael Leao, that's not actually true. It seems that they, like the majority of clubs, are preferring to take the cautious approach...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-city-transfer-rafael-leao-14825735

I'm not surprised that clubs appear to be waiting for the status of the players to be confirmed by someone other than their agent(s).

Also, Carvalho, the club president, has been forced to step down https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44595328

[Found the below which is of interest, not sure how reliable it is]

http://sportwitness.co.uk/wolves-portuguese-club-now-expected-get-work-deal/
Court in Portugal ruled that Leao owes Sporting 16.5 million Euros
 

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About as unreliable as it gets but would anyone be comfortable with us paying the 70 mil Wolves want for Traore.

Given the figures being thrown around for the likes of Harvetz and Sancho and even Werner’s release 70 mil for Traore seems like value.

Never thought i’d call a 70 mil deal value just FYI but he is a proven player. Every club has struggled with him this season including us.
 

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About as unreliable as it gets but would anyone be comfortable with us paying the 70 mil Wolves want for Traore.

Given the figures being thrown around for the likes of Harvetz and Sancho and even Werner’s release 70 mil for Traore seems like value.

Never thought i’d call a 70 mil deal value just FYI but he is a proven player. Every club has struggled with him this season including us.
Lol no.
 

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About as unreliable as it gets but would anyone be comfortable with us paying the 70 mil Wolves want for Traore.

Given the figures being thrown around for the likes of Harvetz and Sancho and even Werner’s release 70 mil for Traore seems like value.

Never thought i’d call a 70 mil deal value just FYI but he is a proven player. Every club has struggled with him this season including us.
Would be tempted at 40-45M but 70M is way to much!
 

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About as unreliable as it gets but would anyone be comfortable with us paying the 70 mil Wolves want for Traore.

Given the figures being thrown around for the likes of Harvetz and Sancho and even Werner’s release 70 mil for Traore seems like value.

Never thought i’d call a 70 mil deal value just FYI but he is a proven player. Every club has struggled with him this season including us.
I think Sancho at anything under 120 million is a better value deal than Traore at 70 million. Especially as Sancho would probably end up being less than 100 million on payment schedules and some of it made up in bonuses whilst Traore would be a one off lump sum payment to trigger the clause. Sancho is younger, a better fit and (as it might start having an effect on squad rules) homegrown. Hes also the more rounded player. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Traore wearing Real Madrid white next season though.
 

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About as unreliable as it gets but would anyone be comfortable with us paying the 70 mil Wolves want for Traore.

Given the figures being thrown around for the likes of Harvetz and Sancho and even Werner’s release 70 mil for Traore seems like value.

Never thought i’d call a 70 mil deal value just FYI but he is a proven player. Every club has struggled with him this season including us.
traores numbers just don’t equal £70m
 

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So.... got some time on my hands, bit football starved, trying to distract myself. Looking at some comparisons on our players and some names that get bandied about, really the most simplistic of simple stat comparisons as I don't have the knowledge or capability of doing anything more in depth (anyone that can, please feel free). All numbers are per game so should hopefully be per 90;

Sadio Mane;
Tackles; 1.4.
Passes; 32.7.
Accuracy; 81%.
Key passes; 1.6.
Shots; 2.3.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 113 minutes.

Mohamed Salah;
Tackles; 0.4.
Passes; 30.3.
Accuracy; 76.3%.
Key passes; 1.8.
Shots; 3.9.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 106.5 minutes.

Adama Traore;
Tackles; 1.1.
Passes; 20.2.
Accuracy; 75.5%.
Key passes; 1.1.
Shots; 1.2.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 197.5 minutes.

Wilfried Zaha;
Tackles; 1.3.
Passes; 30.3.
Accuracy; 80.6%.
Key passes; 1.
Shots; 1.5.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 363.5 minutes.

Timo Werner;
Tackles; 0.7.
Passes; 27.9.
Accuracy; 77.4%.
Key passes; 1.3.
Shots; 3.6.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 74 minutes.

Jadon Sancho;
Tackles; 0.4.
Passes; 46.
Accuracy; 84.9%.
Key passes; 1.9.
Shots; 1.8.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 69 minutes.

Mbappe;
Tackles; 0.3.
Passes; 29.3.
Accuracy; 81.7%.
Key passes; 1.7.
Shots; 3.8.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 50.5 minutes.

What does this mean for discussions on who would fit us better as an alternative to Mane and Salah? Not a fucking clue. Got bored half way through and only finished out of stubbornness.
 

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@Kopstar what are your thoughts on Article 17 of FIFA's transfer regulations?

This is a little used (understatement) provision that allows players to unilaterally terminate their contract without cause after 3 years. The player is essentially free to conduct himself as a free agent, but the club that signs would still have to pay compensation to the club he left. There are stories circulating that Barca are investigating the possibility of using this to get Neymar out of PSG. They know they'll still have to pay a big fee, but it forces PSG's hands and takes away their power to say no. The issue, as Ive seen it explained, is there is so little precedent, especially for a player of Neymar's caliber that it is anyone's guess who much the compensation would be. Barca are widely reported to already have to generate 60 million euro in sales this summer just to avoid FFP penalties and took on debt to purchase Griezmann last year, and so are in no position to be forced to pay the 150 million it still might cost them. The precedent that does exist for clubs no paying the compensation is a world ban for the player and a possible 2 year transfer suspension for the club.

If Neymar was 24 I might understand exploring this, but he's a 30 year old who has not had an injury free season since about 2014.
 

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@Kopstar what are your thoughts on Article 17 of FIFA's transfer regulations?

This is a little used (understatement) provision that allows players to unilaterally terminate their contract without cause after 3 years. The player is essentially free to conduct himself as a free agent, but the club that signs would still have to pay compensation to the club he left. There are stories circulating that Barca are investigating the possibility of using this to get Neymar out of PSG. They know they'll still have to pay a big fee, but it forces PSG's hands and takes away their power to say no. The issue, as Ive seen it explained, is there is so little precedent, especially for a player of Neymar's caliber that it is anyone's guess who much the compensation would be. Barca are widely reported to already have to generate 60 million euro in sales this summer just to avoid FFP penalties and took on debt to purchase Griezmann last year, and so are in no position to be forced to pay the 150 million it still might cost them. The precedent that does exist for clubs no paying the compensation is a world ban for the player and a possible 2 year transfer suspension for the club.

If Neymar was 24 I might understand exploring this, but he's a 30 year old who has not had an injury free season since about 2014.
Yes, I've mentioned this before...

The only concern I would raise with regard to Henderson is that he's outside of his protected period and does, therefore, have a de facto release clause under Article 17. Of course the geniuses in our in-house legal team would be aware of that though...you'd like to think (have my doubts).
Because outside of a player's protected period (for Neymar this ends this summer) Article 17 acts as a de facto release clause.

It does not, however, act to excuse tapping up. The fundamental point of the sanctity of contracts still applies. So Barcelona (or whoever) do need to be careful about how much they encourage Neymar to take this course of action (other than to assure him they'd pay any compensation that would subsequently be assessed).

Is your question more to do with how that compensation is arrived at?
 

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Yes, I've mentioned this before...



Because outside of a player's protected period (for Neymar this ends this summer) Article 17 acts as a de facto release clause.

It does not, however, act to excuse tapping up. The fundamental point of the sanctity of contracts still applies. So Barcelona (or whoever) do need to be careful about how much they encourage Neymar to take this course of action (other than to assure him they'd pay any compensation that would subsequently be assessed).

Is your question more to do with how that compensation is arrived at?
I was thinking more along the line of whether this technical option is really considered a viable one. It seems the risks are huge for a club with very little financial flexibility.
 

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I was thinking more along the line of whether this technical option is really considered a viable one. It seems the risks are huge for a club with very little financial flexibility.
I guess a potential advantage is that the payment they're required to make is somewhat deferred given that if agreement cannot be reached it has to go to arbitration! It's viable - but the ramifications for getting it wrong are pretty serious for both club and player so it is not something that is often pursued in practice. I've heard of it used as a threat though for the purpose of negotiations either to encourage a player's club to agree to a transfer or to give him improved terms (thereby renewing the protected period), or where a club is refusing to agree to a release clause or whatever. It's unusual for this to be presented as something that Barcelona are considering though - you'd rather (from a player and buying club's point of view) agitation like this came from the Player's side.
 

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So.... got some time on my hands, bit football starved, trying to distract myself. Looking at some comparisons on our players and some names that get bandied about, really the most simplistic of simple stat comparisons as I don't have the knowledge or capability of doing anything more in depth (anyone that can, please feel free). All numbers are per game so should hopefully be per 90;

Sadio Mane;
Tackles; 1.4.
Passes; 32.7.
Accuracy; 81%.
Key passes; 1.6.
Shots; 2.3.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 113 minutes.

Mohamed Salah;
Tackles; 0.4.
Passes; 30.3.
Accuracy; 76.3%.
Key passes; 1.8.
Shots; 3.9.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 106.5 minutes.

Adama Traore;
Tackles; 1.1.
Passes; 20.2.
Accuracy; 75.5%.
Key passes; 1.1.
Shots; 1.2.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 197.5 minutes.

Wilfried Zaha;
Tackles; 1.3.
Passes; 30.3.
Accuracy; 80.6%.
Key passes; 1.
Shots; 1.5.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 363.5 minutes.

Timo Werner;
Tackles; 0.7.
Passes; 27.9.
Accuracy; 77.4%.
Key passes; 1.3.
Shots; 3.6.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 74 minutes.

Jadon Sancho;
Tackles; 0.4.
Passes; 46.
Accuracy; 84.9%.
Key passes; 1.9.
Shots; 1.8.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 69 minutes.

Mbappe;
Tackles; 0.3.
Passes; 29.3.
Accuracy; 81.7%.
Key passes; 1.7.
Shots; 3.8.
Goal involvement (goal or assist) every 50.5 minutes.

What does this mean for discussions on who would fit us better as an alternative to Mane and Salah? Not a fucking clue. Got bored half way through and only finished out of stubbornness.
Interesting stats those think we need make an allowance for weaker German and French League vs the EPL

Still impressive figures though a goal or assist every game was unheard of production only a few years ago when Messi and Ronaldo where the only ones to hit anything approaching that marker.

Thanks for the breakdown and the few minutes distraction that went with it.
 

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Interesting stats those think we need make an allowance for weaker German and French League vs the EPL

Still impressive figures though a goal or assist every game was unheard of production only a few years ago when Messi and Ronaldo where the only ones to hit anything approaching that marker.

Thanks for the breakdown and the few minutes distraction that went with it.
I think to get anything really meaningful out of it you need a better person than me to do a proper look. Like playing positions, speed of run/dribble, heat maps in various positions, do they close down and press (won't/shouldn't always lead to a tackle), distance covered etc etc. My feelings have, for awhile, been that Sancho and Mbappe are the two closest to being able to adapt to the kind of roles Klopp needs his wide players to function in. Both are creative, fast, hardworking, goal threats who can start wide and come in attacking the box. Both have the pace to punish opposition if given space to move into but tricky and technical enough to still make something happen when opposition drop deep and crowd the box. Both able to link up play and pass and move with their teammates. I'm less convinced on Werner who seems a better Origi but still someone who doesn't replicate what we get out wide, even though, like Origi can, he would probably get on the scoresheet a lot. Zaha and Traore would just be poor, but still semi useful, options to replicate some of what Mane or Salah bring out wide for us but obviously nowhere near quality enough to give Klopp a selection headache when everyone is fit.
 

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I see Pearce thinks we will keep Adrian. Maybe so, he had some good games early on but has cost us recently. Whatever happens with him we will need a third choice who could possibly challenge Adrian. I suspect Kelleher may go out on loan next season to get some senior experience in the way Grabara has this season.Personally I thought Grabara was the better prospect of the two and I look forward to seeing him in pre season games if there is such a thing next season.
 

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Think your right mate from what Ive seen of Werner he looks a better version of Origi better movement off the ball, more pace better finishing but his link up and creativity against crowded areas certainly isn’t at the level we have currently.

With that said he is 23 and has made significant strides the last two seasons so no reason to think he couldnt continue to improve his game in the same way Mane and Salah have improved their game whilst with us. He does excel at putting the ball in the back of the net which is a skill we sometimes lack so surrounded by better players, better coaches etc hopefully we can take him to the next level.

As regards Sancho and Havertz I like them both alot both are better all round players than Werner but are they worth double + the outlay of Werner not sure and it’s easier to keep a 50 mil player in a rotational role than a 100 mil player.

In terms of Zaha wouldnt touch him but Traore, for a reasonable fee, say less than 50 mil I would definitely take that for sure. He genuinely strikes fear into defenders. To rotate or sub for our front 3 I think we could do a lot worse.

Mbappe would be the dream but I just cant see how we can afford it without one of Salah or Mane moving in the other direction.

Thanks for keeping this discussion going. Would encourage anyone else to get involved its certainly keeping me sane in challenging times. Defo prefer thinking about the future and what lies ahead for the club when normal life resumes than what is going on right now
 
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