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In Germany the top 4 teams are supposedly giving up TV money to pay for the rest of the teams to keep afloat.

Barcelona players refuse a 70% pay cut as the clubs feeling the financial strain.
 

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Barcelona have every chance of slipping back a little if they don't watch it. They are at the tail end of Messi's career and are over-extended financially.

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I just read the article and I didn't see a 70% cut mentioned. I'd be interested to know where that sort of number comes from. Mind you, the players are divided over whatever the proposed cut is. Some will. Some won't. Others are waiting on the Spanish football authorities before they decide what to do.
 

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Barcelona have every chance of slipping back a little if they don't watch it. They are at the tail end of Messi's career and are over-extended financially.
Agree, they have been bouncing from one desperate deal to the next since Neymar left. Dembele, Coutinho and even Greizeman hasnt been a runaway success.

350+ million in fees on those 3 alone
 

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Agree, they have been bouncing from one desperate deal to the next since Neymar left. Dembele, Coutinho and even Greizeman hasnt been a runaway success.

350+ million in fees on those 3 alone
And by next season it is quite likely the have sold one, have one on loan that they cant sell and the other still out injured. They are then led by the same 30 somethings that led them to glory 6 years ago
 

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They would be better off spending that 350m euros on Edwards.
No way would they(or Madrid) stoop to a level where they have to look for value in the market.

We are a well run club so looking for value options like Matip or Shaqiri to fill squad roles and promising youngsters for the next wave to then facilitate the bigger outlay on megastar players like Virg and Alisson is par for the course as it is at most well run clubs. There is an arrogance about the two Spanish clubs though that they are above all that and can just spend without consideration for the consequences. Probably put United in that group too although they seem to be realizing you cant keep buying success forever.
 
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@Kopstar what are your thoughts on Article 17 of FIFA's transfer regulations?

This is a little used (understatement) provision that allows players to unilaterally terminate their contract without cause after 3 years. The player is essentially free to conduct himself as a free agent, but the club that signs would still have to pay compensation to the club he left. There are stories circulating that Barca are investigating the possibility of using this to get Neymar out of PSG. They know they'll still have to pay a big fee, but it forces PSG's hands and takes away their power to say no. The issue, as Ive seen it explained, is there is so little precedent, especially for a player of Neymar's caliber that it is anyone's guess who much the compensation would be. Barca are widely reported to already have to generate 60 million euro in sales this summer just to avoid FFP penalties and took on debt to purchase Griezmann last year, and so are in no position to be forced to pay the 150 million it still might cost them. The precedent that does exist for clubs no paying the compensation is a world ban for the player and a possible 2 year transfer suspension for the club.

If Neymar was 24 I might understand exploring this, but he's a 30 year old who has not had an injury free season since about 2014.
Hi

I have never heard of this article 17 and as I am as bored as everyone else, I looked it up

The title is "Consequences of terminating a contract without just cause"

So while you are right in the sense anyone can terminate a contract, you cant do so without consequences.... and 17 seems to lay out all of the sanctions.

In your example Nemar would pick up a hefty suspension and so would braca as well as fines as well as having to pay compensation for the loss of an asset and probably aggravated damages as well

So not really a runner

I am hoping man utd spunk 150m on him in the summer
 

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Hi

I have never heard of this article 17 and as I am as bored as everyone else, I looked it up

The title is "Consequences of terminating a contract without just cause"

So while you are right in the sense anyone can terminate a contract, you cant do so without consequences.... and 17 seems to lay out all of the sanctions.

In your example Nemar would pick up a hefty suspension and so would braca as well as fines as well as having to pay compensation for the loss of an asset and probably aggravated damages as well

So not really a runner
I said cause, not consequence. And the sanctions are only relevant if somehow the club who signs the players is then unable to pay the tribunal fee.
 

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Some snippets from the BBC rumours page:

Liverpool are prepared to sell Swiss winger Xherdan Shaqiri, with Sevilla interested in the 28-year-old. (Talksport)

Jurgen Klopp's team are the favourites to sign striker Timo Werner from RB Leipzig - and the German, 24, would have his preference of shirt number at the Merseyside club. (Sunday Express)

Everton manager Carlo Ancelotti says he and Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp thought it was "criminal" that Liverpool's Champions League tie with Atletico Madrid was played during the coronavirus outbreak. (Corriere dello Sport via Evening Standard)
 

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In Germany the top 4 teams are supposedly giving up TV money to pay for the rest of the teams to keep afloat.

Barcelona players refuse a 70% pay cut as the clubs feeling the financial strain.
 

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You know even with Jack Grealish recent curfew self isolation rule breaking, i would still buy him ,especially if this puts off united or other clubs from signing him. He is a dumb kid , but a really good footballer who would fit our style. Plus add it with Jurgen's guidance, he could become another class of player altogether.
 

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You know even with Jack Grealish recent curfew self isolation rule breaking, i would still buy him ,especially if this puts off united or other clubs from signing him. He is a dumb kid , but a really good footballer who would fit our style. Plus add it with Jurgen's guidance, he could become another class of player altogether.
I think the bolded may be enough for Jurgen to decide against signing him.

I also wonder if the club will decide against signings this summer except those required as an absolute necessity. If the clubs earnings have taken a massive hit, i would expect spending on those here to be prioritised over incoming players.
 

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I also wonder if the club will decide against signings this summer except those required as an absolute necessity. If the clubs earnings have taken a massive hit, i would expect spending on those here to be prioritised over incoming players.
Have to think there will be a level of caution for all clubs in the next transfer window, not just in fees but in wages too.

We may look to sell a few first and build a kitty to work with before lashing out on anyone, potentially even in the following window(s).

We where all talking about generating 100 mil in sales this summer, which was realistic at the time. I'd think that figure will be closer to half of that given recent events. The upshot is that we could sell a lot of loanees and fringe players and it won't affect the depth of talent we have currently. I would also think quite a few players who were thinking about moving may be more inclined to hang around. I doubt the big wage offers will be on the table this summer. Might be safer and easier to re-sign and stay put.
 

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Went a bed last night about 10.30, flicked on talksport and they said they had some embargoed Lfc news at midnight. I fell asleep. Anyone know what it was??
 

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No idea. It's talksport though, guarantee you didn't miss anything particularly if they were waiting until April Fools Day to break it.
Its was an April fools day joke that we would be awarded half a title.
 

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From the Beeb ...
Wolves will not sell Adama Troare for less than £70m this summer after the 24-year-old Spanish winger was linked with a move to Liverpool. (Football Insider)

Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United have all enquired about the availability of Valencia's 20-year-old Spanish winger Ferran Torres. (Goal)

Liverpool are considering a double bid to sign Swiss midfielder Denis Zakaria and French forward Marcus Thuram from Borussia Monchengladbach. (Express)
 

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From the Beeb ...
Wolves will not sell Adama Troare for less than £70m this summer after the 24-year-old Spanish winger was linked with a move to Liverpool. (Football Insider)

Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United have all enquired about the availability of Valencia's 20-year-old Spanish winger Ferran Torres. (Goal)

Liverpool are considering a double bid to sign Swiss midfielder Denis Zakaria and French forward Marcus Thuram from Borussia Monchengladbach. (Express)
I don’t know where Zakaria would play in this midfield. As a defensive specialist its much too crowded as it is. And he’s been linked with several clubs, so he will likely have choices. Thuram has been brought up in the past, he would be a great signing.
 
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I said cause, not consequence. And the sanctions are only relevant if somehow the club who signs the players is then unable to pay the tribunal fee.
I get you, but my (completely unknowledgeable) reading is that the fines and sanctions would be way more than the player cost alone. They cant have this happening as it would make transfer impossible. it's a bit like getting hit for unpaid tax, the interest and sanctions are a multiple of the tax....
 

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From the Beeb.....

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Real Madrid have delayed their attempts to try and sign France striker Kylian Mbappe, 21, from Paris Saint-Germain until 2021 because of the coronavirus pandemic. (AS)

Liverpool are the latest club to show an interest in Lille midfielder Boubakary Soumare, 21. Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle are also keen on the France U21 player. (Sport)

Meanwhile the Reds are interested in signing Brazilian defender Diego Carlos, 27, from Sevilla. (Marca)
 

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(Adjusts bow tie) This is the BBC and here is the news ...
Besiktas are considering signing Burnley's former England goalkeeper Joe Hart, 32, as a replacement for 26-year-old German Loris Karius, who is on loan from Liverpool.(Fanatik, in Turkish)

Defender Diego Carlos says he is happy at Sevilla despite interest from Liverpool. The 27-year-old Brazilian has a £64m release clause in his contract. (Estadio Deportivo, in Spanish)

And that's it for LFC news apart from Chelsea supposedly being in talks to sign Coutinho.
 

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[QUOTE="legalalien, post: 1249428, member: 4187"


Liverpool are the latest club to show an interest in Lille midfielder Boubakary Soumare, 21. Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle are also keen on the France U21 player.
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Pronouncing this guys name would get old really fast. New rule; we are not allowed to sign any player who has a name that rhymes with itself.