The Unreliable Rumours Thread

Discussion in 'Rumour Mill - Transfer Talk' started by Nikola, Jun 30, 2015.

  1. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar Eru

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    O me too buddy, can't help but feel we are preparing for Coutinho leaving personally.

    On a site note and this is based on fuck all but my own opinion, I think we are so calm about Can leaving because we are well in the mix for Goretzka. (Who in my opinion is far suited to us than Can.)
     
  2. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    There is a chance we have something planned but not sure itd be Goretzka. Way I see the midfield shape we will be bringing in Keita to push Wijnaldum to challenger/cover status in the box to box role (where we've had mixed success having to field Can). Coutinho or replacement is going to be an option as the CAM with Lallana, Ox, Woodburn and Ejaria too so think we should be covered there too. Its only really the deepest option I see requiring strengthening. Got Henderson and Can at the moment. Guys like Rabiot, Dedoncker, Fabinho and maybe that Llorente at Real would be more along the lines of what I think we need or may go for. Doubt we would see a true destroyer type. But Goretzka is more a ball player type isn't he? Further forward?
     
  3. zman89

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    Goretka and Keita in the middle with Fabinho behind them would be a nice midfield I think. Lallana, Hendo and another one to rotate with them.
     
  4. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    Would you have Goretzka in that starting CAM role? For me, at the moment, we have Lallana, Ox and (when he's not played in the front 3) Coutinho for that spot. Now even assuming we might lose Coutinho I'm not sure Goretzka is who we would want there. Would he really demote Lallana to the bench?

    Fabinho/Rabiot competing with Henderson for the deepest position. Keita competing with Wijnaldum for the box to box role. That'd be a serious world class group. If Coutinho stays we are at the same standard for CAM.

    If Coutinho leaves I'd prefer to go with Ox and Woodburn competing to cover/challenge Lallana as starting CAM for now and concentrate on improving other areas of the pitch over next two windows.

    We've got other areas needing attention such as keeper (if none of our current three establish themselves as undisputed starter during this season), CB which is currently a mess, finally resolving the LB issue, the deepest midfield role where we would only have Henderson if Can leaves and the wide attack where we are too reliant on the Mane/Salah combo to provide pace and goal threat from wide.
     
  5. zman89

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    I think Keita will be playing in that CAM position mate. Of course this won't be a normal CAM role but then again under Klopp I don't think we necessarily play a true CAM. Personally I would get rid of Wijnaldum. I don't think he's good enough for what we need.
     
  6. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    Keita has 3 strengths from what I can see.

    1; His athleticism, he has decent pace, stamina and energy levels.

    2; His pressing/defensive ability.

    3; His creative ability.

    He is probably not quite defensive enough to be a specialist DM or creative enough to be a specialist AM and playing him as either doesn't take advantage of his physical qualities. He could do a job in either position. Probably very well too. But I'd be shocked if Klopp is planning on using him as anything other than as a box to box CM. Something he could be world class at.
     
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  7. zman89

    zman89 Member

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    I agree with you mate. The thing is, we don't play with a specialised AM. When Coutinho plays in the middle, he's more of a creative midfielder than an attacking midfielder. Last season we played with Lallana who I think Keita will be replacing in the starting eleven and Wijnaldum who Coutinho seems to be replacing in the starting eleven this season. Hence why we are being linked with Lemar, a creative midfielder who I think will be replacing Coutinho in the middle of the park. All of this will be in vain without a Fabinho or a player of similar ilk a few yards behind them. If we think Henderson is the solution for that position, I'm afraid nothing will change.
     
  8. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    I don't see the players the way you do. Lallana and Coutinho do the same job when in the middle for Klopp, pressing up high and distributing the ball. Little flicks and tricks and smart passes to try and open the opposition up. Wijnaldum sometimes covers that role (and Can covers his normal role) but is mostly there to play box to box. Basically yo yo up and down the pitch recycling the ball. His role is the one that sets the tempo for midfield (which is why we can be so fast and exciting when he's in form and so devoid of dynamism when he's not). As Wijnaldum hasn't really established himself as anything other than decent in that role and we are losing Cab whilst Grujic still hasn't got going it makes sense we are spending massive money to get it right in this position with Keita who is so perfect for Klopp's requirements it's like Klopp made him in a computer!
     
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  9. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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  10. Fethulluah

    Fethulluah Banned Users

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    Mirror are reporting that Barca are after VVD.
     
  11. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    It's alright..... nothing to worry about there.
     
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  12. treboeth

    treboeth Well-Known Member

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    Mirror report a lot of crap to get advertising revenue.
     
  13. Fethulluah

    Fethulluah Banned Users

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    Yeah it is an unreliable rumor after all
     
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  14. Klopptinho

    Klopptinho Well-Known Member

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    apologies on behalf of @treboeth she sometimes forgets which thread she is in.
     
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  15. indianscouser

    indianscouser Oh ya Beautttty!!

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    If Coutinho Goes, id fancy Firmino in that spot (No.10) and we should go for an world class CF like Aubameyang.
    Front 3 of Salah Auba Mane would kill any opposition.
    And firmino slotting in for Coutinho would be a decent option to have.
     
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  16. spizfromoz

    spizfromoz Gomez rearranges his facial hair

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    Yes, unless Mane can score like he did last season, Firmino gets more deadly, we will need a good striker to convert the half chances we seem to miss while others convert or make more of by better movement. Hoping we just find our mojo in the next couple of weeks and everything starts to feel like nothing ever went wrong.
     
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  17. Nikola

    Nikola Mediocre outcome is the probable outcome. Admin

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    Liverpool Echo reported this morning that Liverpool are among a host of European clubs who are looking to sign Leon Goretzka. Do people not read Echo anymore?! :-)
     
  18. Kopstar

    Kopstar ★★★★★ Valued Member

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    Thought he was nailed on to join Bayern? I'm sure I read talk that it was already agreed.
     
  19. Nikola

    Nikola Mediocre outcome is the probable outcome. Admin

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    Yeah, thought as much but still... Safe to say he would be an upgrade on Grujić. ;-)
     
  20. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar Eru

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    He refuted that in the summer.
     
  21. Klopptinho

    Klopptinho Well-Known Member

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    was reported yesterday that he had been offered a new contract . today he is being linked with lots of clubs.. ..............
     
  22. Dave-D

    Dave-D Well-Known Member

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    150K is the rumour with a release clause. Bayern, Chelsea, Barcelona and Liverpool all keeping a close eye on him supposedly, with Liverpool looking to take him in if Can leaves.
     
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  23. spizfromoz

    spizfromoz Gomez rearranges his facial hair

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    As usual, footballer leverages off club like Liverpool to ratchet up their personal terms.
     
  24. Iluvatar

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    I think on this one it's more than rumours, perfect profile for this club.. Especially if Can leaves.
     
  25. Zoran

    Zoran Fighting like beavers.

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    It slowly seems to me that we might indeed look to secure Goretzka in January and then just see what happens with Can. With time passing by, I think he's closer to leaving rather than staying. We'll see if this maybe means looking towards more a midfield 2 (say, Henderson and Keita starting with Wijnaldum and Goretzka as backups) with Firmino behind a striker if we can find one to invest in (for sure we will still push for that CB, possibly still van Dijk). But having players like Lallana (still need to see how he is when he returns, can he still give that level from last season) and Ox, who are best in that midfield 3. Plus Coutinho of course, but he could leave next summer (of course we will still try our best to keep him as long as possible). Options (for now I'd keep that 4-3-3), but somehow the more I think, the more I believe we might really get a Goretzka type of deal done while Can continues to delay his decision (which is maybe already made, but he perhaps wants to wait and see all offers between January and next summer, after the WC, who knows) maybe right until the end.
     
  26. Nikola

    Nikola Mediocre outcome is the probable outcome. Admin

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    I suspected that Liverpool might target Goretzka (like Draxler, more of a "let's try it, it's no big deal if we don't pull it off" kind of deal), so I did some reading on him. It turned out he had quite good stats in terms of interceptions and possession won in midfield. I watched him a few times, he seems a likeable player, kind of what Grujić could be if he knuckles down and improves his defensive and positional game (but I feel that process will take a lot of time - if it ever happens).

    Can't quite put my finger on what Klopp's plans for this midfield are - he obviously wants strong pressing game, people have been posting stats about how he eased off in terms of it this season but he spoke after Maribor about how he's so happy that "our pressing game has finally returned". Keita and Lallana absolutely fit that, Henderson, too, when he's fully fit, Wijnaldum is decent in this aspect. Goretzka seems like a good fit but I'm getting the feeling that he sees Can as someone he would very much like to keep but also expendable if a proper replacement can be found (good in DM role, his best, in my opinion, but not so good when playing in a more advanced role).

    What happens if someone like Goretzka signs? We still wouldn't have anyone even resembling a natural DM and I can't see anyone other than Wijnaldum getting converted to a deep-lying midfielder (not sure if Goretzka played there, though).
     
  27. Mascot88

    Mascot88 Yours for £1m. Need to make room for Dean Saunders Admin

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    The somewhat inevitable departures of Can and Coutinho and the arrival of Keita, I think facilitate a move to the 4231 Klopp preferred at Dortmund.

    Salah, Firmino and Mane become the three. A boss striker is added ahead of them. Hendo and Keita sit behind them.
     
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  28. Zinedine Biscan

    Zinedine Biscan Trust in Klopp

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    I'd be a bit concerned. I don't think Firmino has ever looked truly comfortable for us in anything except CF. It's actually a bit alarming how quickly he disappears when moved deeper or wider.
     
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  29. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    To build on that with links that seem realistic (even if some are just speculative/Twitter talk);

    CM; Henderson, Keita, Wijnaldum and Goretzka/Rabiot competing for two positions.

    AM; Lemar, Mane, Firmino(?), Salah, Lallana, Ox and kids like Woodburn competing for 3 places.

    FW; Firmino/new CF(?), Sturridge, Solanke as options for the one up top.

    We don't really seem to have even tentative links to a CF yet although it is really early. Klopp does seem to be a long term planner so for such an important position I'd think we'd have ideas of possible moves/targets even if the player we end up with isn't yet linked. I'm not convinced and think Firmino may still be our CF next season.

    I would expect Lemar or alternative to come in to replace Coutinho if he is sold and that guy (Lemar/Coutinho/other) and Mane to be two "most often starting" players in those 3 AM roles along with some competition between Lallana and Salah for the other position.
     
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  30. redbj

    redbj hurry up, July 1st, let's get the show on the road

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    I'm a little less concerned than the form book tells me I should be.

    He's a trigger for the press the same way lallana does, I like him working in tight spaces, he's quite good coming from deep and his work rate is phenomenal....I honestly think his form when not playing up front centrally defies logic, and is only a matter of time if he was given an extended stint in behind a great striker....think he operates better centrally also.

    It's certainly not as big a stretch of logic as morenos fixture like appearances at left back
     
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