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We don't have a definite place which needs filling in the first 11. A maybe shout for a Fekir type AM/number 10. Most of the needs are to improve the squad. As @ILLOK said somewhere we should be looking at picking up more Shaq kind of signings rather than splash cash big. Ryan Fraser (last year on contract) rather than Pulisic or vardy or zaha kind of deals. Any one else from the weak teams who is doing great there and can come here and do a job in the squad and is a bit cheap?
Great shout I like Fekir and he wants to come to us. He could be the key to unlocking tight games.
 

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My tuppence worth on Milner is you have to look at it one season at a time at this stage. So far this season he has been invaluable. His experience and hard work have helped us with an excellent start, and his presence in the side has provided some cover for the new midfielders to not have to perform right away, while they adjust to a new league and what Klopp wants.

At some point you would have to think Fabinho and Keita will play more often than not. Let’s imagine that’s what happens in the second half of the season. Where does that leave Milner? I would suggest as a valuable squad member, but at that point on the fringes of the team. Maybe he will take that, or maybe he will want to play more and he will move on? It’s hard to say, but as an example, if Leeds get promoted you could understand the symmetry of him wanting to go there to bookend his career at his home town club.

Then there is Old Father Time. At the moment Milner is an athletic freak of nature, running far and putting in more sprints than most younger midfielders. If that continues the case for keeping him longer grows stronger. But I’m sure the sports scientists on the back room staff are monitoring that sort of thing closely. Once you turn a corner in your mid 30s (or whenever that happens) there’s no coming back, and the athletic gifts you once relied upon to perform at an elite level start to fade. I’m not suggesting that Milner is there, as he’s still going strong - very strong, in fact. But I’m certain it is being monitored closely.

All that is to say, top fella, top pro, valuable first team man and will probably become more of a squad man as the season progresses... and we’ll see how we go.

My best guess is one more year after this one at Liverpool, but who knows.
 

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My tuppence worth on Milner is you have to look at it one season at a time at this stage. So far this season he has been invaluable. His experience and hard work have helped us with an excellent start, and his presence in the side has provided some cover for the new midfielders to not have to perform right away, while they adjust to a new league and what Klopp wants.

At some point you would have to think Fabinho and Keita will play more often than not. Let’s imagine that’s what happens in the second half of the season. Where does that leave Milner? I would suggest as a valuable squad member, but at that point on the fringes of the team. Maybe he will take that, or maybe he will want to play more and he will move on? It’s hard to say, but as an example, if Leeds get promoted you could understand the symmetry of him wanting to go there to bookend his career at his home town club.

Then there is Old Father Time. At the moment Milner is an athletic freak of nature, running far and putting in more sprints than most younger midfielders. If that continues the case for keeping him longer grows stronger. But I’m sure the sports scientists on the back room staff are monitoring that sort of thing closely. Once you turn a corner in your mid 30s (or whenever that happens) there’s no coming back, and the athletic gifts you once relied upon to perform at an elite level start to fade. I’m not suggesting that Milner is there, as he’s still going strong - very strong, in fact. But I’m certain it is being monitored closely.

All that is to say, top fella, top pro, valuable first team man and will probably become more of a squad man as the season progresses... and we’ll see how we go.

My best guess is one more year after this one at Liverpool, but who knows.
I Couldn't agree More Milner has been brilliant all season and has been a true team player much like Kuyt was when he was with us. I think in time Keita and Fabinho will replace Milner and Henderson and Milner may stay 1 more year. The key now is to identify back up for Keita and Fabinho into the future as strength and depth is the key. We must push on in January and take City all the way in the league. I'm confident we will push on in UCL like last season but we need to push on both fronts. If we can only make 1 signing in Jan I'd take Fekir as he can push us over the line.
 

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We don't have a definite place which needs filling in the first 11. A maybe shout for a Fekir type AM/number 10. Most of the needs are to improve the squad. As @ILLOK said somewhere we should be looking at picking up more Shaq kind of signings rather than splash cash big. Ryan Fraser (last year on contract) rather than Pulisic or vardy or zaha kind of deals. Any one else from the weak teams who is doing great there and can come here and do a job in the squad and is a bit cheap?
I think there is still room for a top shelf or developing 10. I still wish we had signed Fekir as our squad would be stronger. Think if Pulisic has a good season and shows development we will be in for him. He looks a natural fit for this squad the question only is he good enough?
I don't mind us paying top shelf prices, but it should be for top shelf players i.e. not Pulisic at his current level.
 

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I like the sound of us moving for Jadon Sancho... can't help but feel that his cost would be even higher than Pulisic, though.
 

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I like the sound of us moving for Jadon Sancho... can't help but feel that his cost would be even higher than Pulisic, though.
Sancho for 60-70 sounds more fine than the same for Pulisic to me. Sancho will leave Pulisic in dust soon.

PS - if this goes south, this is going to haunt me for eternity right? Along the lines of Shelvey will be better than Gerrard or 100 players better and cheaper than DS. Right?
 

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Sancho for 60-70 sounds more fine than the same for Pulisic to me. Sancho will leave Pulisic in dust soon.
QED

Pulisic is at worst a very good player who plays a vital role in the only German side the other big sides from Europe would have any concern about playing. He has been playing consistently at this level for 3 years and has looked excellent on the international stage as well.

Sancho has played about 4 hours of senior football. But that is who we should focus on because of dreams of how good he may become, and because of that guess work that justifies paying Ronaldo money to land him.
 

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Dortmund won't sell Sancho yet, and I suspect he is currently at the best place for him too and happy staying put for the time being.

Just saw that SSN reporting we aren't interested in Aaron Ramsey.
 

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I Couldn't agree More Milner has been brilliant all season and has been a true team player much like Kuyt was when he was with us. I think in time Keita and Fabinho will replace Milner and Henderson and Milner may stay 1 more year. The key now is to identify back up for Keita and Fabinho into the future as strength and depth is the key. We must push on in January and take City all the way in the league. I'm confident we will push on in UCL like last season but we need to push on both fronts. If we can only make 1 signing in Jan I'd take Fekir as he can push us over the line.
This is the core long-term:

-------- Fabinho (25) -------
Ox (25) ---------- Keita (23)

Backed up by:

----- Henderson (28) -------
Wijnaldum (27) ----- Lallana (30)

+ Milner (32) + Grujic (22)

In terms of age profile I'd say that going forwards the way to go is go continue signing players in the 21-23 range (like Keita this summer) to set up continuity and gradually replace Milner and Lallana (and eventually Henderson) as and when they need to be phased out.

By the way, Grujic is still only 22, and was extended for another 5 years recently. That may have been only to protect his value, but it wouldn't surprise me if the plan is for him to eventually take over from Henderson as Fabinho's backup in the squad.

An interesting comparison with Grujic is Nemanja Matic, who at the same age that Grujic is now (22) was on loan from Chelsea to Vitesse, and would later spend 3 seasons at Benfica before being brought back to Chelsea in 2014. Matip only became a part of the first team at age 26-27. Obviously it would be a really long time until Grujic is 26-27 so you'd certainly hope Grujic would break through faster than that, but it's worth putting into perspective how young Grujic relative to another player similar in style to him. Grujic does have the physical skills and athleticism, the only thing really lacking is discipline and tactical understanding, but that may be something that develops with time.
 

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This is the core long-term:

-------- Fabinho (25) -------
Ox (25) ---------- Keita (23)

Backed up by:

----- Henderson (28) -------
Wijnaldum (27) ----- Lallana (30)

+ Milner (32) + Grujic (22)

In terms of age profile I'd say that going forwards the way to go is go continue signing players in the 21-23 range (like Keita this summer) to set up continuity and gradually replace Milner and Lallana (and eventually Henderson) as and when they need to be phased out.

By the way, Grujic is still only 22, and was extended for another 5 years recently. That may have been only to protect his value, but it wouldn't surprise me if the plan is for him to eventually take over from Henderson as Fabinho's backup in the squad.

An interesting comparison with Grujic is Nemanja Matic, who at the same age that Grujic is now (22) was on loan from Chelsea to Vitesse, and would later spend 3 seasons at Benfica before being brought back to Chelsea in 2014. Matip only became a part of the first team at age 26-27. Obviously it would be a really long time until Grujic is 26-27 so you'd certainly hope Grujic would break through faster than that, but it's worth putting into perspective how young Grujic relative to another player similar in style to him. Grujic does have the physical skills and athleticism, the only thing really lacking is discipline and tactical understanding, but that may be something that develops with time.
The Matip situation would have been delayed because Chelsea sold him and had to buy him back. He had to spend an extra year or two developing to the stage that Chelsea would go back in with a (at the time) big money move as a starter. I agree we are probably looking/hoping for Grujic to develop enough to be a good, solid, back-up. That way we only need to wait maybe 1 to 3 seasons after this one (covered within his current deal) depending on his development (24/25 years old maybe) and Henderson's mid term future (32/33 years old?). And we would still own him unlike Chelsea having to buy Matip back.
 
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The Matip situation would have been delayed because Chelsea sold him and had to buy him back. He had to spend an extra year or two developing to the stage that Chelsea would go back in with a (at the time) big money move as a starter. I agree we are probably looking/hoping for Grujic to develop enough to be a good, solid, back-up. That way we only need to wait maybe 1 to 3 seasons after this one (covered within his current deal) depending on his development (24/25 years old maybe) and Henderson's mid term future (32/33 years old?). And we would still own him unlike Chelsea having to buy Matip back.

Never knew Matip played for Chelsea .......... :think:


...... well, well, well,,,,,,,


...... who’da thunk it ....... ? lol
 

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What's the news I keep hearing about dembele ?

Barca won't let him leave for anything less than 80m. Is he worth a punt at that price ?
Nah for them to tell him to pack his bags then we can ask for a much lower price or we could initially get him on loan in January?
 

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PS - if this goes south, this is going to haunt me for eternity right? Along the lines of Shelvey will be better than Gerrard or 100 players better and cheaper than DS. Right?
Nah, you're alright. Sancho is an exciting talent and you're comparing him to a bloke who is another exciting talent (and to me, still little more despite what American fans say about Pulisic). You're still miles away from comparing a mid-table clogger that shows the occasional flash of decent play to an absolute titan of the game.
 

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Ox was doing really well for us before he got injured. If he comes back at the same level he will add a lot to the team with his powerful running through the middle. It looked like he was finding his shooting boots and I was pleasantly surprised by his leadership when he spoke too. He will be given every chance to get back to his best. I’m not taking that for granted though. Not saying he won’t, but it will be a long way back.
 

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As for Pulisic, good player, but completely agree with the argument that you overpay for young players based on what they might become. He is already good, but not great. Not yet, anyhow.

Maybe the contract situation is a way to get a bit better value, as he’s now within the two year range and if he moves next summer it will be with only one year left, so they might be more willing to deal at the £40-50M range, rather than sillier numbers than that. Still a lot, mind, but more palatable than the £70-80M level you sometimes see bandied about.

We know what we want and we have a great recruitment team and a great plan. I’m chilled whatever way they go on Pulisic. I can see it, but it’s not irresistible to go for him just yet.
 

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On mobile :indifferent:

Have translated it now.
Good luck finding a DM for 24 million lollol
Side note any decent PSG players on the fringe of the team Liverpool could take to help them out financially
 

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On mobile :indifferent:

Have translated it now.
Good luck finding a DM for 24 million lollol
Side note any decent PSG players on the fringe of the team Liverpool could take to help them out financially
I wouldn't mind if we took Mbappe to help fund their search for a No. 6 lol

In all seriousness though, Draxlar and Rabiot would both be very tempting targets in my opinion. And both could possibly got for a lot less than their value
 

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I can’t read it as it’s in french so definitely nothing for me to see lol
You aren’t missing much.

The article is pure speculative twaddle, ending with a very nebulous assertion that they could target Fabinho because he’s bored (their word, not his) at Liverpool. Even if he did want to leave, they only have a budget of €24m. Good luck with that.
 

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Contentious one given the price we would probably have to pay... but do we go for Greelish form Villa? Think long term he is gonna be a top player and he would compliment our attack?
 

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PSG finally realizing they can't reach balance in their team without a "younger Motta". They don't have a player like that to provide stability for all the offensive qualities they have. €24m to solve that issue? Good luck.
 

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PSG finally realizing they can't reach balance in their team without a "younger Motta". They don't have a player like that to provide stability for all the offensive qualities they have. €24m to solve that issue? Good luck.
Maybe that's all they can spend. The FFP regulations and all