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ILLOK

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Zaha's price will be inflated by the home grown premium as well as the "what he could become" one. There's bound to be far better value elsewhere.
Yep, he's only just signed an extension with Palace. The value isn't there.

Fraser, though, will have 12 months left on his contract at the end of this season. A clear example of a footballer who'd improve with better players around him, he always has his head up and usually picks the right pass.
 

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City sponsorship has nothing to do with Muslim superstar, and The Arabs isn't the biggest Muslim country in the world or region in the world. Let's not make Abu Dhabi the representative of the Muslims around the world.

If Pulisic is going to pull that many fans and money into the club, Dortmund I'd imagine would have been having bucket loads of cash in their coffers from sponsors.
And Salah is Egyptian not all Muslims so using Salah for Muslims to compare to Pulisic for people from the states is as bad a comparison as it gets really.

And Pulisic isn't great yet, he may never be. The argument (and not mine) is what it could mean for the club that owns him if/when he reaches his potential.

I actually don't see it as a reason to buy him but it might make any expensive deals more palatable when looking back with hindsight.
 

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Yep, he's only just signed an extension with Palace. The value isn't there.

Fraser, though, will have 12 months left on his contract at the end of this season. A clear example of a footballer who'd improve with better players around him, he always has his head up and usually picks the right pass.
Agree, I like him a lot. He resembles a left-sided Shaqiri with both of them doing the inverted winger stuff, both hard to knock off the ball with their low centre of gravity, both explosive footballers with pace.

I named him as giving the best individual performance against us in 16/17 https://forums.thisisanfield.com/threads/bootroom-end-of-season-players-members-awards-2017.24719/#post-753327 so on that basis alone we ought to be in for him.:J
 

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Lallana and Milner will surely be moved on either next summer or in 2020, and I agree with you there.

That said, £150 on Zaha and Neves??!? That's nonsensical..

First of all, Zaha. Presumably about half of the £150 would be spent on him. Is he really a £75m player? I don't think so, not even close. He's the prototype of a Match of the Day player - looking good for a handful of games, and then going missing. That's fine for a bottom half club, but not at a top club where every game matters and every poor performance scrutinised under a microscope. The argument that players improve playing with better players was thrown around for the likes of Rickie Lambert, Balotelli, Danny Ings, et al, showing painfully that not all players become "better" simply from being surrounded by others who are better - in fact, they may even drag the team down to their level instead.

Secondly, Klopp seems to like to play with a tall aerially strong No.6, dating back to Dortmund when he had Kehl as his No.6. The signings of Fabinho and Keita suggests that he won't be looking for another deep "controller" type, but rather that he is looking for more mobile and dynamic players than Neves. That isn't to say that Neves isn't "dynamic" at all, just that he tends to spread the ball to the wings more than he looks to turn and run with it himself. Moreover, if there was any interest in Neves I'm sure Klopp would have signed him already, surely before he headed to Wolves in the Championship.
Trent said Zaha is the hardest player hes had to play against 1 v 1. Hes played against a few good unsas well.
 

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@Kopstar Well said and I agree entirely. It is almost as if a 25 year old 8 out of 10 player is now the better financial decision than a 20 year old 6 1/2 out of 10 player with potential to be a 9.
Yes.

It’s ingrained in us to want to think the younger player is always the better fit....but increasingly.....and probably for a lot longer than what it’s come to realise it, the 25-28 year bracket is a better purchase.

Football is fixated with projecting your squad three years in advance, but you get sacked for yesterday’s loss.
 

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Some players do better, some do worse. For every Ings and Lambert you have a Robertson or Shaqiri. Zaha is clearly much more influential than Ings and Lambert ever were, so Shaqiri is probably the best comparison.

I wouldn't spunk that much on him either but he's definitely a better player than you're giving him credit for, without him Palace would be playing Championship football for sure.
Good point about Robertson and Shaqiri. Personally I was hugely in favour of signing Robertson, more so for his natural tendency to always look for either a run or a quick one-two in transition than his defending. Shaqiri I wasn't too fussed with, but it was clearly a worthwhile punt given the low price relative to market value.

That said, my point wasn't necessarily that the statement that "the player will do better with better players around him" is always wrong; rather, that it isn't always true, which you pointed out as well. :-)
 

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Trent said Zaha is the hardest player hes had to play against 1 v 1. Hes played against a few good unsas well.
I can believe that. However, it is also important to understand that there isn't perfect alignment between players who actually are dangerous and players who give the fullbacks hell. Football is loaded with players who are hell to play against a hell to play with.
 

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So apparently Ramsey definitely leaving the arse on a free,snap him up.
You'd have to think that signing Ramsey would spell the end of Lallana and/or Milner at the club (assuming Ox recovers well and Keita beds in).

-------------- Fabinho ---------------
------------- Henderson -------------

--- Wijnaldum -------- Keita ---------
---- Ramsey ---------- Ox -----------
----- Milner ---------- Lallana --------
----- Shaqiri --------------------------

Ramsey is homegrown though so would be a good like-for-like replacement in that regard.

That said, he'll turn 28 in December, and given that Klopp likes to give his new midfield signings several months to settle and learn the system, that would mean that if Ramsey were to join Liverpool he'd already be turning 29 by the time he'd have settled and learned Klopp's system (i.e. around December 2019). Needless to say, replacing a 30/31 year old Lallana with a 28/29 year old with a long injury record seems kinda unlikely given the clubs recent transfer dealings.

I wouldn't really complain if he were signed, but the club really should be prioritising signings in the 21-23 age bracket going forwards, instead of aging players like Ramsey.
 

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You'd have to think that signing Ramsey would spell the end of Lallana and/or Milner at the club (assuming Ox recovers well and Keita beds in).

-------------- Fabinho ---------------
------------- Henderson -------------

--- Wijnaldum -------- Keita ---------
---- Ramsey ---------- Ox -----------
----- Milner ---------- Lallana --------
----- Shaqiri --------------------------

Ramsey is homegrown though so would be a good like-for-like replacement in that regard.

That said, he'll turn 28 in December, and given that Klopp likes to give his new midfield signings several months to settle and learn the system, that would mean that if Ramsey were to join Liverpool he'd already be turning 29 by the time he'd have settled and learned Klopp's system (i.e. around December 2019). Needless to say, replacing a 30/31 year old Lallana with a 28/29 year old with a long injury record seems kinda unlikely given the clubs recent transfer dealings.
Klopp didn't waste time chucking Ox in the team quite quickly so maybe Ramsey wouldn't necessarily take long to bed in,but i agree it would be a signal of Lallana leaving with him being surplus to requirements
 

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Milner isn't going anywhere. He is a brilliant player, versatile, a great vice captain and a winner. Unless he asks to leave he will be here next season. No way Klopp sells him.
 

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Rumors in Swedish media (Aftonbladet) regarding Liverpool and John Guidetti. The rumors concern Liverpool and Tottenham.

This is what Guidetti says to the reporter:
– They are amazing clubs and Premier League is one of the best leagues in the world. Off course it is a tempting thought. But I trust my agent. I don't know anything right now. I won't know until Friday.
Hope this is not true Guidetti is nowhere good enough to play for Liverpool. I saw him play for Celtic and he was average at best. Not Liverpool class.
 

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Would love us to sign Maguire to play alongside VVD and also Vardy to give us another option up front. I think those signings could win us the league!
 

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Maguire,what that big dopey expensive sack of shit and Steptoe,errr fuck that.
Maguire is good with the ball at his feet and a threat at set pieces... he is better than Lovren! And Vardy scores poachers goals like Fowler used to and that would turn draws into wins and he has a knack of scoring against City too.
 

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Maguire is good with the ball at his feet and a threat at set pieces... he is better than Lovren! And Vardy scores poachers goals like Fowler used to and that would turn draws into wins and he has a knack of scoring against City too.
I wouldn't buy Maguire as he'd get in the way of Gomez and his progression,we don't need to spend that kind of money for a CB and Vardy is just a quick fix so i don't see the point.
 

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Maguire and Vardy are decent players, but both a clear no for me. There’s no value there. For the price they would want for Maguire we get someone who is not as good as Gomez to partner VVD? Vardy would be a useful back up, potentially, but would he want that, and how much would they want for him? Prem teams have money and if it’s a player under contract they don’t want to lose, the price is way too inflated. Besides, Sturridge is doing very well as the senior striker back up, and Solanke is waiting in the wings (he may or may not be good enough, but there’s still time) and Brewster needs some sort of path to the fringes of the first team, and presumably that’s what we sold to him when he signed a deal.

Maguire and Vardy are decent players, no doubt about that, but not for us at this time.
 

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We don't have a definite place which needs filling in the first 11. A maybe shout for a Fekir type AM/number 10. Most of the needs are to improve the squad. As @ILLOK said somewhere we should be looking at picking up more Shaq kind of signings rather than splash cash big. Ryan Fraser (last year on contract) rather than Pulisic or vardy or zaha kind of deals. Any one else from the weak teams who is doing great there and can come here and do a job in the squad and is a bit cheap?
 

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We don't have a definite place which needs filling in the first 11. A maybe shout for a Fekir type AM/number 10. Most of the needs are to improve the squad. As @ILLOK said somewhere we should be looking at picking up more Shaq kind of signings rather than splash cash big. Ryan Fraser (last year on contract) rather than Pulisic or vardy or zaha kind of deals. Any one else from the weak teams who is doing great there and can come here and do a job in the squad and is a bit cheap?
I think there is still room for a top shelf or developing 10. I still wish we had signed Fekir as our squad would be stronger. Think if Pulisic has a good season and shows development we will be in for him. He looks a natural fit for this squad the question only is he good enough?
 

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Klopp didn't waste time chucking Ox in the team quite quickly so maybe Ramsey wouldn't necessarily take long to bed in,but i agree it would be a signal of Lallana leaving with him being surplus to requirements
I may be wrong, but I think Klopp was forced to play Ox earlier than he would have liked, due to several injuries to other midfield options. Our midfield wasn't as deep as it is now.

Whatever the case, in the first few months of last season many fans were still adamant that Ox was a poor signing. It wasn't until the turn of the year that he started showing good form and started convincing fans that he was an excellent signing.
 

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Milner isn't going anywhere. He is a brilliant player, versatile, a great vice captain and a winner. Unless he asks to leave he will be here next season. No way Klopp sells him.
I agree. He's on a contract until 2020 and you'd think that Klopp would be delighted to keep him around in the squad until then - if not longer. He's the perfect squad player.
 

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Would love us to sign Maguire to play alongside VVD and also Vardy to give us another option up front. I think those signings could win us the league!
Maguire would get eaten alive playing a high line.

If there's any CB I'd want to consider from Leicester it's their new 22 year old Turkish CB that they signed from Freiburg this summer, Caglar Soyuncu. He's strong on the ball, extremely aggressive/front-foot, and strong aerially (in terms of playing style). He obviously still needs to prove himself in the PL (he had his first start last weekend), but I wouldn't be surprised if he made a name for himself. The ship has probably sailed with regards to getting him on a reasonable fee though as the usual "PL tax" will probably apply if and when he moves on from Leicester.
 

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Lallana and Milner will surely be moved on either next summer or in 2020, and I agree with you there.
I agree. He's on a contract until 2020 and you'd think that Klopp would be delighted to keep him around in the squad until then - if not longer. He's the perfect squad player.
Um...
 



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We don't have a definite place which needs filling in the first 11. A maybe shout for a Fekir type AM/number 10. Most of the needs are to improve the squad. As @ILLOK said somewhere we should be looking at picking up more Shaq kind of signings rather than splash cash big. Ryan Fraser (last year on contract) rather than Pulisic or vardy or zaha kind of deals. Any one else from the weak teams who is doing great there and can come here and do a job in the squad and is a bit cheap?
Great shout I like Fekir and he wants to come to us. He could be the key to unlocking tight games.
 

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My tuppence worth on Milner is you have to look at it one season at a time at this stage. So far this season he has been invaluable. His experience and hard work have helped us with an excellent start, and his presence in the side has provided some cover for the new midfielders to not have to perform right away, while they adjust to a new league and what Klopp wants.

At some point you would have to think Fabinho and Keita will play more often than not. Let’s imagine that’s what happens in the second half of the season. Where does that leave Milner? I would suggest as a valuable squad member, but at that point on the fringes of the team. Maybe he will take that, or maybe he will want to play more and he will move on? It’s hard to say, but as an example, if Leeds get promoted you could understand the symmetry of him wanting to go there to bookend his career at his home town club.

Then there is Old Father Time. At the moment Milner is an athletic freak of nature, running far and putting in more sprints than most younger midfielders. If that continues the case for keeping him longer grows stronger. But I’m sure the sports scientists on the back room staff are monitoring that sort of thing closely. Once you turn a corner in your mid 30s (or whenever that happens) there’s no coming back, and the athletic gifts you once relied upon to perform at an elite level start to fade. I’m not suggesting that Milner is there, as he’s still going strong - very strong, in fact. But I’m certain it is being monitored closely.

All that is to say, top fella, top pro, valuable first team man and will probably become more of a squad man as the season progresses... and we’ll see how we go.

My best guess is one more year after this one at Liverpool, but who knows.
 

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My tuppence worth on Milner is you have to look at it one season at a time at this stage. So far this season he has been invaluable. His experience and hard work have helped us with an excellent start, and his presence in the side has provided some cover for the new midfielders to not have to perform right away, while they adjust to a new league and what Klopp wants.

At some point you would have to think Fabinho and Keita will play more often than not. Let’s imagine that’s what happens in the second half of the season. Where does that leave Milner? I would suggest as a valuable squad member, but at that point on the fringes of the team. Maybe he will take that, or maybe he will want to play more and he will move on? It’s hard to say, but as an example, if Leeds get promoted you could understand the symmetry of him wanting to go there to bookend his career at his home town club.

Then there is Old Father Time. At the moment Milner is an athletic freak of nature, running far and putting in more sprints than most younger midfielders. If that continues the case for keeping him longer grows stronger. But I’m sure the sports scientists on the back room staff are monitoring that sort of thing closely. Once you turn a corner in your mid 30s (or whenever that happens) there’s no coming back, and the athletic gifts you once relied upon to perform at an elite level start to fade. I’m not suggesting that Milner is there, as he’s still going strong - very strong, in fact. But I’m certain it is being monitored closely.

All that is to say, top fella, top pro, valuable first team man and will probably become more of a squad man as the season progresses... and we’ll see how we go.

My best guess is one more year after this one at Liverpool, but who knows.
I Couldn't agree More Milner has been brilliant all season and has been a true team player much like Kuyt was when he was with us. I think in time Keita and Fabinho will replace Milner and Henderson and Milner may stay 1 more year. The key now is to identify back up for Keita and Fabinho into the future as strength and depth is the key. We must push on in January and take City all the way in the league. I'm confident we will push on in UCL like last season but we need to push on both fronts. If we can only make 1 signing in Jan I'd take Fekir as he can push us over the line.
 

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We don't have a definite place which needs filling in the first 11. A maybe shout for a Fekir type AM/number 10. Most of the needs are to improve the squad. As @ILLOK said somewhere we should be looking at picking up more Shaq kind of signings rather than splash cash big. Ryan Fraser (last year on contract) rather than Pulisic or vardy or zaha kind of deals. Any one else from the weak teams who is doing great there and can come here and do a job in the squad and is a bit cheap?
I think there is still room for a top shelf or developing 10. I still wish we had signed Fekir as our squad would be stronger. Think if Pulisic has a good season and shows development we will be in for him. He looks a natural fit for this squad the question only is he good enough?
I don't mind us paying top shelf prices, but it should be for top shelf players i.e. not Pulisic at his current level.