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Timo Werner (CF) RB Leipzig

What will Werner be leaning on?

  • The Wall of Champions, pointing at the newly installed 6

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  • Nabil Fekir's knee

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  • A bog standard table, with a bog standard pen, and a sheet of random paper

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  • The Champions League trophy for some weird reason

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  • Sadio's jockstrap

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • The railing at Melwood

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  • Ralf Rangnick's animosity

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • A giant can of Red Bull, cos he's not coming

    Votes: 6 66.7%

  • Total voters
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Red over the water

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I think they are used to having any Bundesliga player they want, and that is being challenged by other teams. And as it is being challenged, the price is going up, such is the financial muscle of the Prem teams, so Bayern aren’t overly happy at the moment. They actually have to compete for players, rather than simply deciding who makes the grade for them!

It’s almost similar with the manager too. Beckenbauer has been flirting with Klopp. Normally Bayern would just say to any top German manager, when they need him, ‘OK, you can come here now.’

Their world is changing.
 


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I think they are used to having any Bundesliga player they want, and that is being challenged by other teams. And as it is being challenged, the price is going up, such is the financial muscle of the Prem teams, so Bayern aren’t overly happy at the moment. They actually have to compete for players, rather than simply deciding who makes the grade for them!

It’s almost similar with the manager too. Beckenbauer has been flirting with Klopp. Normally Bayern would just say to any top German manager, when they need him, ‘OK, you can come here now.’

Their world is changing.
This isn't new, the development was fairly predictable, that's the reason they held on to Ribery, Robben, Boateng, Hummels for as long as possible, because they knew they would find it very difficult to get new players of similar quality on the international market. And they got lucky in that Lewandowski is hardly ever injured. German talents is their only advantage and I think even that might be slowly eroding.
They made it through last season in the BL, but they're in for some major (re-)development and change, everybody knew that for some time. Other clubs in the BL have already specialised and are experienced in scouting and developing hidden gems (because they had no other choice), Bayern will have to adjust to that. They also suck at developing their own academy talents, the last one who made it was Müller and that was over 10 years ago.
 

SithBaare

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Bayern will have to adjust to that. They also suck at developing their own academy talents, the last one who made it was Müller and that was over 10 years ago.
whyinvest in youth when you can steal from other clubs when the players dont sign a contract etc
 

SadiosMio

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whyinvest in youth when you can steal from other clubs when the players dont sign a contract etc
Would be great if Liverpool waited for Bayern to go for someone like Pepe and use up their available funds, then secure who they want from the bundesliga. BM has already spent a lot, adding Pepe would probably take them near 200m euros. They're probably not going much past that since they aren't making any big sales.
 

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This isn't new, the development was fairly predictable, that's the reason they held on to Ribery, Robben, Boateng, Hummels for as long as possible, because they knew they would find it very difficult to get new players of similar quality on the international market. And they got lucky in that Lewandowski is hardly ever injured. German talents is their only advantage and I think even that might be slowly eroding.
They made it through last season in the BL, but they're in for some major (re-)development and change, everybody knew that for some time. Other clubs in the BL have already specialised and are experienced in scouting and developing hidden gems (because they had no other choice), Bayern will have to adjust to that. They also suck at developing their own academy talents, the last one who made it was Müller and that was over 10 years ago.
Alaba was also a youth product from their academy I think. Frutchl seems to be quite highly rated. but yeah, they have to go shopping in quite a few areas.
 



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RB Leipzig CEO Oliver Mintzlaff spoke to Sport Bild and indicated that the time is coming for Timo Werner to make a decision on his future:

I can also understand that it is difficult for Timo. But you have to make decisions in life, and Timo’s will be there in a timely manner, we’re convinced. We still want a contract extension.

When asked about the possibility of Werner leaving next summer on a free transfer, Mintzlaff did not mince words:

That is not desirable, especially as it was also discussed differently with his advisor. We do not sit at the wheel, but can only make offers and wait. Everything else is not our control. If Timo did not renew, we would like to get a replacement. There are many interested parties. International top clubs have also requested.

Bayern still look favourites if he does leave, but has Klopp got any interest in him?
 

Zoran

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Think he might have a quality season under Nagelsmann. He's probably not a great fit to be a lone striker, but in Julian's flexible formations, brave approach, playing more players around him, he might get more freedom to do what he does best. What that means for his future and future transfer, I have no clue at all. But I expect good things this season.
 



ubermick

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That and he just signed a new contract, so no free transfer next year. Whether or not that's going to stop him leaving, or if it just means that if he leaves it'll be for stupid money remains to be seen.
 

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That and he just signed a new contract, so no free transfer next year. Whether or not that's going to stop him leaving, or if it just means that if he leaves it'll be for stupid money remains to be seen.
Werner's contract has a release clause of €30m. Extending the contract is just good sense for both sides.

Werner protects himself financially long-term, and is still guaranteed to be able to leave next summer (assuming of course that another club pays the release clause, though that seems like a formality given the low clause amount).

Leipzig on the other hand guarantee themselves at least a bit of money when he inevitably leaves, in exchange for offering that long-term financial security.

Win-win.

On the other hand, for the club who signs Werner it might be a bit more expensive, but often times free agents have huge signing bonuses which are effectively transfer fees anyways, so there wouldn't be a huge difference between paying the €30m release clause and signing him on a "free" (with big signing bonus payments).
 

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I like the €30M release clause. Good player. If he has a big season - and he has started well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us go in for him. So many variables at present though. Will Brewster break though and how good will he be? Will we keep the current forward trio together beyond this season? A lot more possible options are introduced if one of them decides to try his luck elsewhere.

In the meantime Werner continues to play, and score, and impress... while the price remains low.
 

Richard88

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I like the €30M release clause. Good player. If he has a big season - and he has started well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us go in for him. So many variables at present though. Will Brewster break though and how good will he be? Will we keep the current forward trio together beyond this season? A lot more possible options are introduced if one of them decides to try his luck elsewhere.

In the meantime Werner continues to play, and score, and impress... while the price remains low.
Our recruitment team plan two years in advance, so it's very likely that any decisions about transfers for next summer have already been made (barring serious injuries to prospective signings of course).

As such, I don't think Werner needs a big season for us to move for him, as he'll already have been pencilled in as a target for 2020 last summer already. He's quite a known commodity by now as well, with several good seasons behind him.

It's pretty clear to me that he'll be leaving next summer, the only question is whether it will be to Bayern (most likely) or Liverpool. Those are the only two clubs I can see him heading to.
 

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Fair comment about working ahead.

Not that we want to think about it, as it’s still a long way out, but if Klopp doesn’t sign a new deal I would imagine we are already looking (not contacting anyone) but noticing who is out there and who is up and coming among in management. Julian Nagelsmann might be one to watch.

On the playing side I don’t think we’ll be in for Werner unless one of the current trio departs. E.g. we win the league and say Mo decides to try one of Spain’s big two. But even then, would we go for Sancho or Havertz, ahead of Werner? For all I know maybe we will sign a couple. Too many variables at this stage, but I do like the €30M release clause.
 
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vjcpatriot

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Only 30m euros? That's a bargain for a player of Werner's quality. It depends on how he performs this season of course, but Liverpool might be able to snap him up on the cheap next summer.

At least he's not going on a free so the team can be assured they will get something rather than nothing. Win-win for both sides in that story.
Question is will his next team shirt be Liverpool or Bayern?