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What would you class as a success?

Jimmyscase

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I was only ever interested this season in top silverware. We will still have three seasons of Klopp's contract left after this one to deliver something if we can't get over the line this year. Personally, I believe we can still get stronger relative to the Mancs without spending bigger money than City and United so 2nd this season could hardly see us in a better position in terms of our projected path.
 

Stanley DK

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For me this year must be "The year". We have a great team now, and the best manager in PL :well done: (maybe we need one or two new players). And we have a great start this season. So the trophy must come home!!

In CL everything can happen, only great great team still there. But if we are lucky, and all the players still 100% fit, you'll never know.... Let's start with the red bastad from Germany.

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If we do land the title then is it possible to review last season as a success as the CL run helped confidence and belief in the players that they can achieve something. Being runners up in the CL was failure but may have had a bearing in the likes of Alisson and Fabinho signing for us.
So if we win the league this season I'd say the last 2/3 season of progress have all been part of the project and therefore successful despite not winning silverware in those previous seasons.
Fuck the battle, lets win the War.
 

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Winning the PL would give us that psychological click that will push us on for for more success. I'm not arsed about the CL if it means we lose out on the Prem. Winning the league has to be the priority and I think would mean so much more to Liverpool fans. There seems to be a lot more focus on City by the media and pundits at the moment and that suits me. We just take it a game at a time and let everybody else including Man Utd fans worship Pep. All I hear is Liverpool will slip up, but you have to look at that game against Palace, we beat them after getting battered at times, we kept on coming back. It was like watching a good boxing match, now that's a game City lost at the Etihad. Pep does not like pressure when its against him. Last season we would have lost that game but with the additions we've made and the focus our players have I think that is a massive turning point in our fight for the league. We have to be absolutely f**king ruthless now though.
 

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The problem I have with this ‘only trophies mean success’ thing is that it judges the club on factors completely out of their control.

So if Liverpool get 95 points - a total that would win the league in the vast majority of seasons, and City get 96 there is nothing that LFC can do about that.

You don’t judge your success on things you can’t control, and I doubt ‘win the league’ is anyone at the club’s objective.

So readjusted for the blistering start we’ve had, 95 points and a deep run in the CL. That would be success in my opinion.
 

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The problem I have with this ‘only trophies mean success’ thing is that it judges the club on factors completely out of their control.

So if Liverpool get 95 points - a total that would win the league in the vast majority of seasons, and City get 96 there is nothing that LFC can do about that.

You don’t judge your success on things you can’t control, and I doubt ‘win the league’ is anyone at the club’s objective.

So readjusted for the blistering start we’ve had, 95 points and a deep run in the CL. That would be success in my opinion.
When you finish first in any sport it is because you have taken control. It is wrong to say that there are factors out of our control. If we had taken 6 points off City that would be taking control....every time someone or some team finishes ahead of you, you can't say it was because of factors beyond your control.

You may call yet another season without a trophy a success but sorry I can't. It may be an enjoyable season but not a successful one.
 

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When you finish first in any sport it is because you have taken control. It is wrong to say that there are factors out of our control. If we had taken 6 points off City that would be taking control....every time someone or some team finishes ahead of you, you can't say it was because of factors beyond your control.

You may call yet another season without a trophy a success but sorry I can't. It may be an enjoyable season but not a successful one.
Yep, utter nonsense in my opinion.
If City get 96 points, was it out of our control to get 97 points, or was it someone else's fault we didn't?

95 points would be a massive improvement, and the season has been very entertaining and enjoyable. Nothing more.
 

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A successful season depends on the realistic goal for the season depending on the team. So for a midtable team, winning any trophy would be deemed successful. For us we have to be winning a major trophy. If we were to get top 4 and the Champions league then it's successful, in my opinion. If we won the league then it's obviously successful.

If we stayed in the league cup, won it, then came 4th then I wouldn't deem it successful. We are bigger than that and in the position we are in, we should be winning the league or the Champions league.
 

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I always look on the bright side so while we are stil init we are going to win it. So it’s the Prem & CL DOUBLE
 

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Of course the history books catalogue success in what was won.
On a personal level for me in football it's the enjoyment and knowing everyone involved has done their best the trophies are the icing on the cake.
Despite my grumpy posts I really enjoyed this season. Particularly seeing Matip improve to become a great defender, that run where Wijnaldum was fighting like the others (and his entry against Barça). Henderson taking his chance to silence the critics, Mané just being Mané working his socks off and Salah despite a difficult start persisting. Alisson coming in and providing us with our first goalkeeper since Riena, VVD commanding at the back and those 2 wonderful full backs. Finding our super sub. I could go on.
Of course now the pressure is on. We have a team that is good enough to challenge for the top trophies so they need to keep doing it. Winning once in a while. Our wait was frustrating however looking back except for 13/14 we just didn't have the pieces in place. That was a successful season imo really enjoyed it even if we did fall at the final hurdle (like we did in the league this season).
I won't be too bothered about the club WC, super cup or charity shield. Our success is about CL qualification (without heart attacks) and progression in the CL. Winning the league or CL or both every now and again (averaging once every 3-5 years?).
We have to accept that in the league there's 6 teams who can regularly put the pieces together to challenge plus there's the ocassional surprise. CL is really hard, different ethos, styles etc against the best in Europe getting to that final 2 years in a row and winning 1 is just phenomenal happy, happy times loving it!
 

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The least I can say is that I never ever expected us to do so well. It has been exceptional.

Actually, I don't know how we'll improve on this. Maybe keep the same number of points in the league (97, almost impossible), win the CL again (highly unlikely, although with these lads, I wouldn't rule out anything) AND go deep in the national cups?

Let's see what the future brings. The good thing is that the no-trophy monkey is off our collective backs now (Nr. 6, yeah baby! :celebrating:), and we can look at the future with an optimistic and yet relaxed view.
 

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The least I can say is that I never ever expected us to do so well. It has been exceptional.

Actually, I don't know how we'll improve on this. Maybe keep the same number of points in the league (97, almost impossible), win the CL again (highly unlikely, although with these lads, I wouldn't rule out anything) AND go deep in the national cups?

Let's see what the future brings. The good thing is that the no-trophy monkey is off our collective backs now (Nr. 6, yeah baby! :celebrating:), and we can look at the future with an optimistic and yet relaxed view.
If we can bring some quality players to add to the group, with Moreno and Sturridge going the other way, we should be able to improve on this year.
 

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If we can bring some quality players to add to the group, with Moreno and Sturridge going the other way, we should be able to improve on this year.
I don't doubt that the development of the squad hasn't reached it's peak yet. The current players will improve, and there is a good chance for us to improve on our squad depth (every young talented player probably wants to come to Anfield now). But even considering this, it will still be a hell of a task to improve on 97 points in the league and winning the CL again.
 

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I don't doubt that the development of the squad hasn't reached it's peak yet. The current players will improve, and there is a good chance for us to improve on our squad depth (every young talented player probably wants to come to Anfield now). But even considering this, it will still be a hell of a task to improve on 97 points in the league and winning the CL again.
We just lost a huge monkey from the back though, and looking at it in detail, it is a huge task, but which in hindsight would only have meant nicking one goal each at Manure and Bitters; we'd then have had 103 points a Prem record and I do believe, if that is required, now we have the belief, we will deliver it.
 

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I don't doubt that the development of the squad hasn't reached it's peak yet. The current players will improve, and there is a good chance for us to improve on our squad depth (every young talented player probably wants to come to Anfield now). But even considering this, it will still be a hell of a task to improve on 97 points in the league and winning the CL again.
That sounds like a challenge...
 

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I don't doubt that the development of the squad hasn't reached it's peak yet. The current players will improve, and there is a good chance for us to improve on our squad depth (every young talented player probably wants to come to Anfield now). But even considering this, it will still be a hell of a task to improve on 97 points in the league and winning the CL again.
Agreed but I only see 97 points being relevant if your closest rival also gets 97 points or more. I'd be happy winning the league on far less if that were to ever happen.

I think one thing that the weekend has driven home is that at the end of the day the performance is important to a certain degree but when chasing silverware winning the game or getting a better result than the opposition is all the counts
 

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An off the scale success but it needed a trophy at the end of it. It wouldn't have changed how good we've been but getting so close in both the PL and CL and missing out would have sapped confidence and belief. Now anything seems possible next season.
 

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Having won Big Ears this season has definitely been a successful one. It wouldn't have been without that.
 

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Why are people calling it a success?

We only won one Cup.
city did a treble.

;-)

No idea why they are still jealous of a bigger and better Club than them lollollollollollol
 



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Wait until this time next year.

The question will be how to improve upon our 2019/20 season, after we win every single game we play.
We might not manage that but we might have to go unbeaten in the league if we're going to win it. Especially if City get banned from the CL which would put the cherry on the Champions League cake.
 

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with the stark, binary sort of way of viewing success. I think it is more nuanced than that, as there are various factors in play.

Obviously we won the CL, so that is successful in anyone's estimation. But let's imagine we didn't overcome the deficit against Barcelona and we got knocked out in the semi final. And let's imagine the Prem went just as it did, and we got a record points haul of 97 points, an incredible tally, only to be edged out by the oil cheats at Man City, who got 98 points.

I know it's hypothetical, but if both of those scenarios happened, I would be loathe to call it an unsuccessful season.

In a binary sort of approach, win/lose, then yes, definitely unsuccessful. But I think you have to look at all the factors around it.