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What would you class as a success?


Jun 15, 2007
I'm a bit uncomfortable with the stark, binary sort of way of viewing success. I think it is more nuanced than that, as there are various factors in play.

Obviously we won the CL, so that is successful in anyone's estimation. But let's imagine we didn't overcome the deficit against Barcelona and we got knocked out in the semi final. And let's imagine the Prem went just as it did, and we got a record points haul of 97 points, an incredible tally, only to be edged out by the oil cheats at Man City, who got 98 points.

I know it's hypothetical, but if both of those scenarios happened, I would be loathe to call it an unsuccessful season.

In a binary sort of approach, win/lose, then yes, definitely unsuccessful. But I think you have to look at all the factors around it.
Nah, for me success definitely means winning something. That scenario would still be a great season, maybe even a phenomenal one, but if we haven't won anything at the end of it, it's not successful.

Show me the Mane

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Apr 28, 2018
I believe the 97 pts runners up spot was the best successful "non success" of all time and certainly helped this season in terms of confidence and evidence that we had a team that could run up a big total.
A City fan said to me when I was being unbearable to him that he knew Liverpool had won the league 6 months ago and its only Liverpool that realised it now. I told him that I knew we had won it the day Jurgen Klopp took over...:p