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Koon

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You do realize that this was not about comparing Lallana and Reus.

@Nikola asked if there are footballers who got back to their best after so many injuries and Reus came to my mind.
Off course. I'm just saying the best version of Lallana is something very rare and it's not worth waiting for. Players like Reus, his best is not very rare, it's quite common tbh, therefore since he is so good and it's common, it's worth waiting for. I doubt we will ever see anything close to that 6-months wonder Lallana. I wouldn't bet anymore.. Really nice lad, very professional, but he is lacking football-wise and we need more creativity in our midfield. He was lucky we didn't confirm Fékir, otherwise I think he wouldn't be a LFC player anymore.
 


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Not a fan of Lallana. There always seemed to be something a bit sickly about him. It's not just the heart problems but it's his pasty complexion, his slightly drawn features, even when 'fit' he didn't exactly exude vibrant well-being. Then there's his less than explosive style, the sense that despite his endeavour he takes slightly too long to recover from bursts of exertion, he's better at sustaining a regular output than varying his pace, he lacks pace, could never maintain energetic bursts and would rarely be able to complete 90 minutes.

He's technically very good, genuinely two-footed, but often tries to do too much on the ball. It can slow our play down just when it needs a quick one or two touch interaction. His pressing is massively overrated (AOC, for example, has been shown to be more than twice as effective) and his good games infrequent. He struggles to influence the bigger games.

He's also now showing increasing injury issues that were largely predictable and won't improve. He'll be 31 by the end of the season, 2 years older than the superfit and reliable Milner was when he joined. He'll still have a year to run on his contract but finding a buyer will now be difficult if we want to recover any value. We should have sold him two years ago.

As for whether he's a good bloke or not, I don't know. He comes across to me as a bit of a prick. Certainly Clattenburg thought so but then he's a bit of a knob as well.

Anyway, never warmed to him.
 

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Not a fan of Lallana. There always seemed to be something a bit sickly about him. It's not just the heart problems but it's his pasty complexion, his slightly drawn features, even when 'fit' he didn't exactly exude vibrant well-being. Then there's his less than explosive style, the sense that despite his endeavour he takes slightly too long to recover from bursts of exertion, he's better at sustaining a regular output than varying his pace, he lacks pace, could never maintain energetic bursts and would rarely be able to complete 90 minutes.

He's technically very good, genuinely two-footed, but often tries to do too much on the ball. It can slow our play down just when it needs a quick one or two touch interaction. His pressing is massively overrated (AOC, for example, has been shown to be more than twice as effective) and his good games infrequent. He struggles to influence the bigger games.

He's also now showing increasing injury issues that were largely predictable and won't improve. He'll be 31 by the end of the season, 2 years older than the superfit and reliable Milner was when he joined. He'll still have a year to run on his contract but finding a buyer will now be difficult if we want to recover any value. We should have sold him two years ago.

As for whether he's a good bloke or not, I don't know. He comes across to me as a bit of a prick. Certainly Clattenburg thought so but then he's a bit of a knob as well.

Anyway, never warmed to him.
I wouldn’t go as far as picking his complexion, but I’m broadly similar. I didn’t appreciate his behaviour in that notorious U21 game, where he was supposed to be a man amongst boys, and got sent off for a ridiculous petulant attack on another player.

Undoubtedly hugely technically accomplished, but I often wonder to what end? His tricks will rarely beat a player, or find an angle for a pass, or open up a shot. It’s often like the little flourish on a posh bit of calligraphy. It looks pretty, and you can appreciate the artistry involved, but it would be readable without it. Possible a bit more so.
 

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Lallana at CM, leading the press and setting a tempo early in the game is a good player for us.

Lallana as a number 10, picking passes and creating opportunities is too slow and inefficient.

Lallana as a winger is essentially playing with 10 men.

For me, he can still be a valuable squad player as a midfielder but relying on him for creativity or goal threat is not going to work.

I wouldn't sell him personally, unless he requests it, as I still see him of being an asset if he is used correctly and in a way that compliments his limited skill set.
 
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Interesting that Anthony Martials’s contract is up on 30/06/2019 according to Transfermarkt.
 



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Paco alcacer, Barca were Hawking him to all concerned the last few years. People have really missed a bargain
 

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Keep your eye on emerging young star, Luka Jovic. He scored a historic 5 goals in 1 Bundesliga match at the tender age of 20 for Frankfurt.


Definitely one to keep an eye on in the future. He currently leads the Bundesliga with 7 goals in 6 matches. If he tallys 30 or more goals by the end of the season, I say why not be aggressive and try to bid for him next summer?
 



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was going to suggest masuaku, but wasn't sure he'd leave to come here and be second choice

so then i thought, why not cresswell, since he's now the second choice there? little bit older, but could be a bridge to adam lewis, and can play in a back 3
 
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If we want a young winger to develop I would rather go for Sancho than Pulisic. Lad is some player and I don't think he would look out of place in our side. Think he would get plenty of game time next season as well. Being home grown is always a bonus.
 

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If we want a young winger to develop I would rather go for Sancho than Pulisic. Lad is some player and I don't think he would look out of place in our side. Think he would get plenty of game time next season as well. Being home grown is always a bonus.
How does dortmund do such a good job developing their players?

Pulisic would have been snapped by now, but he has total faith in the club he's at.
 

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Keep your eye on emerging young star, Luka Jovic. He scored a historic 5 goals in 1 Bundesliga match at the tender age of 20 for Frankfurt.


Definitely one to keep an eye on in the future. He currently leads the Bundesliga with 7 goals in 6 matches. If he tallys 30 or more goals by the end of the season, I say why not be aggressive and try to bid for him next summer?

I saw a piece on him, scored a world class volley. He's on a 2 year loan from Benefica, with Frankfurt expected to buy him at the end of it.
I was wondering what are German posters had to say. One to definitely keep an eye on.
 



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Im pretty sure Goetze is the only player there they developed from the youth level.
Dortmund always had a very good academy / very good youth teams. From their current squad Schmelzer, Götze, Reus (left Dortmund in 2004 and came back 8 years later), Weigl, Burnic, Pulisic and Jacob Bruun Larsen (very interesting player) all represented Dortmund at youth level.

But I would also say that they still benefit from the scouting Klopp introduced to the Club. Akanji, Diallo, Zagadou, Dahoud, Guerreiro, Hakimi and Sancho could have joined bigger / other clubs but they knew Dortmund is a good place for young players to have a breakthrough.
 

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Dortmund always had a very good academy / very good youth teams. From their current squad Schmelzer, Götze, Reus (left Dortmund in 2004 and came back 8 years later), Weigl, Burnic, Pulisic and Jacob Bruun Larsen (very interesting player) all represented Dortmund at youth level.

But I would also say that they still benefit from the scouting Klopp introduced to the Club. Akanji, Diallo, Zagadou, Dahoud, Guerreiro, Hakimi and Sancho could have joined bigger / other clubs but they knew Dortmund is a good place for young players to have a breakthrough.
Weigl is no more a product of their youth team than Danny Ings is of ours. Even Pulisic is only if you have a very generous definition seeing as he was in the first team squad almost immediately upon being signed by them.

If we want to talk about development, I think what they have shown is that they are good at that final stage of turning promise into first team talent, but with rare exceptions these are not kids who have been produced by their academy.
 

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Weigl is no more a product of their youth team than Danny Ings is of ours. Even Pulisic is only if you have a very generous definition seeing as he was in the first team squad almost immediately upon being signed by them.

If we want to talk about development, I think what they have shown is that they are good at that final stage of turning promise into first team talent, but with rare exceptions these are not kids who have been produced by their academy.
You’re right with Weigl.

Pulisic played 25 games for their youth teams. I wouldn’t say he is a 'academy product' - he probably needed these games to get used to the style/tactics in Europe.
 

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Not a fan of Lallana. There always seemed to be something a bit sickly about him. It's not just the heart problems but it's his pasty complexion, his slightly drawn features, even when 'fit' he didn't exactly exude vibrant well-being. Then there's his less than explosive style, the sense that despite his endeavour he takes slightly too long to recover from bursts of exertion, he's better at sustaining a regular output than varying his pace, he lacks pace, could never maintain energetic bursts and would rarely be able to complete 90 minutes.

He's technically very good, genuinely two-footed, but often tries to do too much on the ball. It can slow our play down just when it needs a quick one or two touch interaction. His pressing is massively overrated (AOC, for example, has been shown to be more than twice as effective) and his good games infrequent. He struggles to influence the bigger games.

He's also now showing increasing injury issues that were largely predictable and won't improve. He'll be 31 by the end of the season, 2 years older than the superfit and reliable Milner was when he joined. He'll still have a year to run on his contract but finding a buyer will now be difficult if we want to recover any value. We should have sold him two years ago.

As for whether he's a good bloke or not, I don't know. He comes across to me as a bit of a prick. Certainly Clattenburg thought so but then he's a bit of a knob as well.

Anyway, never warmed to him.
My thoughts exactly - have you got a portal into my mind?
 

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Not a fan of Lallana. There always seemed to be something a bit sickly about him. It's not just the heart problems but it's his pasty complexion, his slightly drawn features, even when 'fit' he didn't exactly exude vibrant well-being. Then there's his less than explosive style, the sense that despite his endeavour he takes slightly too long to recover from bursts of exertion, he's better at sustaining a regular output than varying his pace, he lacks pace, could never maintain energetic bursts and would rarely be able to complete 90 minutes.

He's technically very good, genuinely two-footed, but often tries to do too much on the ball. It can slow our play down just when it needs a quick one or two touch interaction. His pressing is massively overrated (AOC, for example, has been shown to be more than twice as effective) and his good games infrequent. He struggles to influence the bigger games.

He's also now showing increasing injury issues that were largely predictable and won't improve. He'll be 31 by the end of the season, 2 years older than the superfit and reliable Milner was when he joined. He'll still have a year to run on his contract but finding a buyer will now be difficult if we want to recover any value. We should have sold him two years ago.

As for whether he's a good bloke or not, I don't know. He comes across to me as a bit of a prick. Certainly Clattenburg thought so but then he's a bit of a knob as well.

Anyway, never warmed to him.
Agree except about the complexion bit. He is a decent squad player, nothing more. He does show flashes of brillance but has never been consistent really. My biggest gripe with him is the way he slows down play and lately, his inability to make a simple pass (although he may be rusty from injury). He will probably get better as he gets more games but right now, there is no way that he should be starting ahead of Shaq or any of the other midfielders.
 



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I'm not too sure who we need in January. No complaints about the team this season. Do you think it would be worth adding a few more players to add depth in the second part of the season and if so then who?
 

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Personally I think Wilson will be retained in the squad next season, he seems to have laid down a marker at Derby to become the back-up to the back-up (Super Shaq-Attack!). If Studge stays (here's hoping!) and Origi goes then maybe Brewester will become understudy for Bobby - Solanki just not good enough unfortunately.
Lallana clearly looks like a square peg now and surely has to be moved on. Hopefully replaced by someone more in the Fekir mould, though my knowledge of players is far too limited to guess at who. Otherwise the only movements I can see will be like for likes. If Moreno departs then either Lewis steps up or we chase someone to fight the Scotland Captain for left back. Clyney most likely departing means another door opens, but hardly likely to displace TAA.
Such a pleasure to realise how strong the squad is for a change, can't really think of any desperate needs!
 

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I'm not too sure who we need in January. No complaints about the team this season. Do you think it would be worth adding a few more players to add depth in the second part of the season and if so then who?
One more top class attacker in Jan if poss but not end of the world to wait till summer. We are strong enough to cope but can always improve. At the moment I'm not sure exactly what type of attacker we should get. Use Shaqiri more as a wide option and bring a Fekir style player who is more of a central option. Or use Shaqiri more central and bring in an option that's more fitted to our wide roles like maybe Dembele.
 

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One more top class attacker in Jan if poss but not end of the world to wait till summer. We are strong enough to cope but can always improve. At the moment I'm not sure exactly what type of attacker we should get. Use Shaqiri more as a wide option and bring a Fekir style player who is more of a central option. Or use Shaqiri more central and bring in an option that's more fitted to our wide roles like maybe Dembele.
Dembele is in Sakholand. Don't think Klopp will go for him.
 



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Assuming DS signs, Milner stays, Shaq plays both 10/RW, Ox recovers fully and Wilson gets integrated into the squad, we need 5 players.
1. Mignolet replacement
2. Moreno replacement
3. Clyne replacement
4. Lallana replacement
5. Backup winger for Mane, Salah.

But the cost to bring 5 players can be huge. So I think we should keep Clyne.

Bobby, Mo, Mane, DS, Shaq and new winger. Supported by Solanke, Brewster and Wilson.

Fab, Gini, Shaq, Keita, Ox, Hendo, Milner and new midfielder.

Robo, new LB with TAA and Clyne.

VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip.

Alison and new GK.
 

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Assuming DS signs, Milner stays, Shaq plays both 10/RW, Ox recovers fully and Wilson gets integrated into the squad, we need 5 players.
1. Mignolet replacement
2. Moreno replacement
3. Clyne replacement
4. Lallana replacement
5. Backup winger for Mane, Salah.

But the cost to bring 5 players can be huge. So I think we should keep Clyne.

Bobby, Mo, Mane, DS, Shaq and new winger. Supported by Solanke, Brewster and Wilson.

Fab, Gini, Shaq, Keita, Ox, Hendo, Milner and new midfielder.

Robo, new LB with TAA and Clyne.

VVD, Gomez, Lovren, Matip.

Alison and new GK.
Way too many signings, we will promote from within for sure, especially since all are backups.
 

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Klopp will see what he has at the club first.

Would Lewis come in rather than buy a left back?

Can Camacho back up Trent, or would it be better to use Lovren and release Gomez to play there?

Can Lallana be played back into form?

Is Curtis Jones ready to contribute? Harry Wilson, Ben Woodburn? Rhian Brewster?

I suspect Klopp will fancy having a look at a Fekir type player, but I honestly don’t see us doing much, providing we can keep the squad together.
 

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Way too many signings, we will promote from within for sure, especially since all are backups.
Yes if possible we should promote from within. But I don't see where a LB, GK and midfielder are going to come from our young ones. Winger - we need to get a player who can give some rest to Mo, Salah and Shaq. For that backup we have Wilson. 4 players is not too much though - I will go for Handanovic/Reina, Chilwell, Rabiot and Julian Brandt/Jadon Sancho.