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I think apart from replacing the potential outgoing players we are not far off. I am a bit unsure whether we need a Fekir type player as Firmino likes to drop deep which would swallow his space. But then again, maybe this would bring the CB and free up space for a through ball for mane/salah.
In my opinion a Firmino type player is what we need most. I know it wont happen but a Suarez type player, someone who could play with Firmino but also the same role would be ideal. I dont watch much football aside from us so i cant name anyone. Maybe Insigne??
Could go either way. Firmino could play as the No. 9, in which case a Fekir or AM would make sense. Alternatively, the plan could be to move more towards a 4231 with Firmino in the No.10 position, in which case a RW would make sense (with Salah up top), or a CF with Salah playing off the right.
 

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Iker Muniain on a free transfer at the end of the season anyone? CAM/LW
Spoke with a Barcelona fan who's a friend of mine about Muniain. According to him, not a good player, although he's been looking better playing the 8 position.

I think it's been a few years since I last saw him playing.
 

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Midfield pretty much anonymous. No control, no composure, no creativity nothing. Matip and Alexander-Arnold both not up to it. Front three not firing. Too many passengers.

No attacking midfielder. A lack of suitable options up top whether to rotate or just offer something different when Mane, Firmino and Salah are not quite there. Question marks over Alexander-Arnold despite what the future may hold.

Only Alisson so far is regularly contributing despite all the money spent. November now and so far we're not really playing that great. Plenty of investment required.
 

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Our attack has been poor since we lost Oxlade (who took over from Coutinho) i.e. A player who runs from deep and provides that injection of pace into the attack, breaking the midfield line etc.

I had hoped Keita or Shaqiri would be that player, Lallana was probably 10 years ago but he needs taking out back and then his parts shipped for glue.

That’s what we need in Jan, a no.10 who can hold their own in midfield. That Fekir guy..
 

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Our attack has been poor since we lost Oxlade (who took over from Coutinho) i.e. A player who runs from deep and provides that injection of pace into the attack, breaking the midfield line etc.

I had hoped Keita or Shaqiri would be that player, Lallana was probably 10 years ago but he needs taking out back and then his parts shipped for glue.

That’s what we need in Jan, a no.10 who can hold their own in midfield. That Fekir guy..
Once Shaqiri and Keita start delivering regularly, which they will, this talk with die down.

There are solutions within the squad.
 

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Once Shaqiri and Keita start delivering regularly, which they will, this talk with die down.

There are solutions within the squad.
Pretty such I specifically mention both.. as of yet neither are delivering or being trusted to deliver. that’s ok guess you have someone’s iPad in your face so you can’t read.

Solutions in the squad is the attitude which has us watching Lallana, Sturridge and Matip horror shows.
 

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Pretty such I specifically mention both.. as of yet neither are delivering or being trusted to deliver. that’s ok guess you have someone’s iPad in your face so you can’t read.

Solutions in the squad is the attitude which has us watching Lallana, Sturridge and Matip horror shows.
What are you upset for? It was a comment about football transfers, hardly the most emotional of topics.

Keita and Shaq have only been here a few months and Keita has been disrupted by injury whilst Shaqiri has played well. There's hope for them yet is all I'm saying.
 

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What are you upset for? It was a comment about football transfers, hardly the most emotional of topics.

Keita and Shaq have only been here a few months and Keita has been disrupted by injury whilst Shaqiri has played well. There's hope for them yet is all I'm saying.
Just joking fell (the iPad bit) I agree yes there is hope for them.. only I don’t think Keita will fit like Oxlade though, I think he’ll be excellent but as an upgrade on Milner and Gini as the no.8 meaning we still need another body (I doubt Oxlade returns personally) alongside Shaq.
 

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Just joking fell (the iPad bit) I agree yes there is hope for them.. only I don’t think Keita will fit like Oxlade though, I think he’ll be excellent but as an upgrade on Milner and Gini as the no.8 meaning we still need another body (I doubt Oxlade returns personally) alongside Shaq.
The obvious solution to me is going 4231. Any 2 of Fabinho, Gini and Henderson sitting with Keita, Shaq or Firmino as the 10 depending on who's fit and who else is playing.

The midfield currently isn't compact enough, the 8s are too wide but they're not offering the threat that Chamberlain did either and we clearly aren't making an effort to press like we did last season. Change the system to suit the players we have and the difference in approach. I'm not sure where that leaves Milner but I think it suits everyone else well enough.
 

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The way I see it is we should try to improve our weakest link. Currently that is our midfield.
We could upgrade on Henderson/Milner/Wijnandum/lallana in January no problem at all.
Ox deserves a chance to come back. Fabinho and keita need time to settle.
Shaqiri and needs to find his position (well klopp does).
 

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I have the habit of start following clubs that have some rumoured (to LFC) players or simply players that I like. It's the case of Lyon (Aouar, Ndombele and Fékir), Marseille (Thauvin), Barcelona (Arthur and Dembele), PSG (Neymar), Ajax (Ziyech, De Jong and Neres) etc.

I was watching PSG x Lille this weekend and a Lille player really caught my eye: Nicolas Pepe.

His first half was amazing, the best Lille player. In the second his team was smashed so he barely played football. It was the first time I saw him so I can't say whether he is good or not, but my first impression was that of a poor man's Dembele. Great dibbling skills, tricks, pace, pass... looks like he has everything. He is 23 now and has an impressive 8 goals and 5 assists in 12 games this season. In 16/17, 31 starts (+5 from the bench), 13 goals and 4 assists.

As I said before, I don't know how good he is, but if he keeps on this level, at the end of the season maybe we could target him? At the right price we could have a good backup for our wingers.
 
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The obvious solution to me is going 4231. Any 2 of Fabinho, Gini and Henderson sitting with Keita, Shaq or Firmino as the 10 depending on who's fit and who else is playing.

The midfield currently isn't compact enough, the 8s are too wide but they're not offering the threat that Chamberlain did either and we clearly aren't making an effort to press like we did last season. Change the system to suit the players we have and the difference in approach. I'm not sure where that leaves Milner but I think it suits everyone else well enough.
Yep, strange as anytime we've employed 4231 we've looked massively more improved. Ultimately I think Fabinho/Keita will be a worldclass double no.6 in that set up.

I also think Firmino needs to be told to stay up top, so get someone behind him.. Shaqiri etc.

Where does it leave Milner? An impact player from the bench.. He is overplayed and when you do that he becomes a complete liability.

Our midfield completed zero tackles last night, criminal that.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/shocking-statistic-emerges-liverpool-midfield-15381438
 

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During the game it was clear that the team was REALLY struggling to play through Red Star. All the passes were side to side, and then down the line, often aerially.

Judging by the signings of Ox, Fabinho, and Keita it seems that Klopp is aware of the problem in midfield, so I wouldn't be too concerned.

That said, of the midfielders, the performance last night would be most condemning of Lallana given that his strength is supposed to be link play which was totally non-existent. Needless to say, if he's not capable of linking play at all against second-tier opposition then he doesn't serve much purpose in the team. Harsh to say that given that he's not 100% fit, but football is a results based industry, and he's not delivering.
 

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I really wish we had stole Richarlison from the bitters. He would of been perfect for our front 3.
 
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I’m coming around to the conclusion that Klopp’s requirements are so specific that any outfield signings that we make are likely to take time to fully integrate into his system.

What that then means (for me at least) is that we are not going to see the full benefits of that signing until several months further down the line. This may of course add in another good reason why January signings are so unattractive because they are unlikely to make any significant contribution for us between then and the end of that particular season (VvD excepted of course).

Also, it will probably impact on what if any signings he makes next summer. I’m now thinking that we may only see 2-3 outfield signings, one of which will possibly be at left-back as these will take a number of months to fully integrate into Klopp’s system.
 

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I’m coming around to the conclusion that Klopp’s requirements are so specific that any outfield signings that we make are likely to take time to fully integrate into his system.

What that then means (for me at least) is that we are not going to see the full benefits of that signing until several months further down the line. This may of course add in another good reason why January signings are so unattractive because they are unlikely to make any significant contribution for us between then and the end of that particular season (VvD excepted of course).

Also, it will probably impact on what if any signings he makes next summer. I’m now thinking that we may only see 2-3 outfield signings, one of which will possibly be at left-back as these will take a number of months to fully integrate into Klopp’s system.
So therefore buying them in Jan so they are fully integrated by the start of the next season is the smart thing to do?
 
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So therefore buying them in Jan so they are fully integrated by the start of the next season is the smart thing to do?

No because you are entering the business end of the season and need players who will make a rapid difference whether that be added quality and/or cover in a key position. As a transfer window it is renowned for its inflated fees. It just doesn’t suit Klopp’s approach.
 

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I’m coming around to the conclusion that Klopp’s requirements are so specific that any outfield signings that we make are likely to take time to fully integrate into his system.

What that then means (for me at least) is that we are not going to see the full benefits of that signing until several months further down the line. This may of course add in another good reason why January signings are so unattractive because they are unlikely to make any significant contribution for us between then and the end of that particular season (VvD excepted of course).

Also, it will probably impact on what if any signings he makes next summer. I’m now thinking that we may only see 2-3 outfield signings, one of which will possibly be at left-back as these will take a number of months to fully integrate into Klopp’s system.
I think this is 100% bang on. Midfield in particular - Klopp seems to want his lads to be multipurpose. He’s screamed Anfield down at Fabinho for dropping too deep. I think Klopp thinks as midfielders as attacking when they need to attack and defensive when they need to defend. He needs them to be able to do it all.
 

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No because you are entering the business end of the season and need players who will make a rapid difference whether that be added quality and/or cover in a key position. As a transfer window it is renowned for its inflated fees. It just doesn’t suit Klopp’s approach.
Generally I agree, but I think if Klopp has the ability to steal a march on a signing he’ll take it. For example Rabiot is a free agent in the summer and likely to be coveted by a few clubs. If PSG are happy to be bunged £20m, and Rabiot is up for it, I can see him doing something like that.
 

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No because you are entering the business end of the season and need players who will make a rapid difference whether that be added quality and/or cover in a key position. As a transfer window it is renowned for its inflated fees. It just doesn’t suit Klopp’s approach.
Sorry I'm confused are you trying to say no player at all is better than a player still integrating? Klopp has done all his business really cheaply. If a player that would cost 50 million in the summer is available for 65 or even 75 in the winter I'm fine with paying the extra if it means that player is good to go from day 1 of next season. They may be useful here or there till end of season too which would be a benefit but you're getting them ready for all of next season not just half of it. Don't you see the benefit? If Keita and Fabinho had come last winter and were firing on all cylinders and fully integrated within the squad by the start of this season we would probably be doing even better by now. They're still not fully integrated now and it's making our season hiccup.
 
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Sorry I'm confused are you trying to say no player at all is better than a player still integrating? Klopp has done all his business really cheaply. If a player that would cost 50 million in the summer is available for 65 or even 75 in the winter I'm fine with paying the extra if it means that player is good to go from day 1 of next season. They may be useful here or there till end of season too which would be a benefit but you're getting them ready for all of next season not just half of it. Don't you see the benefit? If Keita and Fabinho had come last winter and were firing on all cylinders and fully integrated within the squad by the start of this season we would probably be doing even better by now. They're still not fully integrated now and it's making our season hiccup.

Work it out for yourself. All of the information is there! :)
 
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Generally I agree, but I think if Klopp has the ability to steal a march on a signing he’ll take it. For example Rabiot is a free agent in the summer and likely to be coveted by a few clubs. If PSG are happy to be bunged £20m, and Rabiot is up for it, I can see him doing something like that.

But if it was Rabiot there would be no transfer fee. He signed Matip early. If in the case of Rabiot if it only takes a relatively small fee to bring him in even earlier why not? Its a question of using your common sense.

I was merely pointing out why January signings are not ideal generally, but perhaps even moreso in Klopp’s case. I clearly used the word ‘may’ and I did that for a very good reason. Unfortunately posters like ArD have to twist mere suggestions into definitive statements so that they can turn a perfectly innocent post into a reason for pedantry and smart-arsery.

I’ve said what I’ve said and it should be perfectly clear what I mean if posters actually read the words that I have used instead of selectively ignoring them or inserting imaginary words that I haven’t used. I do take your point, although I’m not sure why it needed saying. I’m going to leave it there. :)
 

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No because you are entering the business end of the season and need players who will make a rapid difference whether that be added quality and/or cover in a key position. As a transfer window it is renowned for its inflated fees. It just doesn’t suit Klopp’s approach.
Ok apparently my last response somehow pissed you off so I will try again.

"No because you are entering the business end of the season and need players who will make a rapid difference whether that be added quality and/or cover in a key position."

Some impact is still better than no impact. Going without or going with something that isn't perfect yet then the decision should be clear. One choice doesn't help you at all the other should help at least a little bit here and there.

"As a transfer window it is renowned for its inflated fees."

I really don't care. We are being intelligent enough with our money and hardly splashing the cash so if sometimes we spend a bit more to do business in a more convenient way for us then so be it.

"It just doesn’t suit Klopp’s approach."

I completely disagree with this vague generalisation. It suited Klopps approach bringing Van Dijk in during last winter. It's also by far the mid season point that has worked best for us under Klopp with regards to how the squad has been doing. VvD provided a real boost without which last season may well have failed off. And to go to my other posts VvD is now a rock solid foundation at the core of the squad. He's not a new player integrating in. All that was ironed out last season.
 

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So therefore buying them in Jan so they are fully integrated by the start of the next season is the smart thing to do?
Yeah, targeted recruitment in Jan can pay dividends for the following year, even if he doesn't contribute much that season. A signing for the purpose of having an effect that season = unlikely. One that is part of our long term strategy anyway, going for them in Jan makes it like they have a long pre-season.

It is also potentially going to be easier for new signings next year if we assume we will make fewer of them and so the group as a whole they walk in to will be a bit more up to speed than the one Naby and Fab came into
 

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Weigl is no more a product of their youth team than Danny Ings is of ours. Even Pulisic is only if you have a very generous definition seeing as he was in the first team squad almost immediately upon being signed by them.

If we want to talk about development, I think what they have shown is that they are good at that final stage of turning promise into first team talent, but with rare exceptions these are not kids who have been produced by their academy.
If you're coaching players from the age of 18 into the first team, you're developing them.
 

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Been mentioned before but Hirving Lozano is apparently interested in a move to the Premier League. Could play on the right and allow Salah to move in to the striker role and I'm sure could play on the left if less effectively, so could cover for Sadio too! Certainly improves the front three, in my opinion. 8 in 11 for PSV plus 4 assists this season. Also scored against Spurs which is just a bonus!
17 goals and 11 assists last season in 29... them's some good stats even if it is Eredivisie
 

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Been mentioned before but Hirving Lozano is apparently interested in a move to the Premier League. Could play on the right and allow Salah to move in to the striker role and I'm sure could play on the left if less effectively, so could cover for Sadio too! Certainly improves the front three, in my opinion. 8 in 11 for PSV plus 4 assists this season. Also scored against Spurs which is just a bonus!
17 goals and 11 assists last season in 29... them's some good stats even if it is Eredivisie
The problem with it being the Eredivisie can't be highlighted enough. You do get some good players from there like Suarez but it's so hard to tell. Jahanbakhsh did better than Lozano with 21 goals and 12 assists. Moved to Brighton and so far no goals or assists in 10 premier league appearances.
 

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The problem with it being the Eredivisie can't be highlighted enough. You do get some good players from there like Suarez but it's so hard to tell. Jahanbakhsh did better than Lozano with 21 goals and 12 assists. Moved to Brighton and so far no goals or assists in 10 premier league appearances.
Lozano also looked very good in the WC. I think it would largely depend on the cost, though, a big fee would be too much of a gamble.
 
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Ok apparently my last response somehow pissed you off so I will try again.

"No because you are entering the business end of the season and need players who will make a rapid difference whether that be added quality and/or cover in a key position."

Some impact is still better than no impact. Going without or going with something that isn't perfect yet then the decision should be clear. One choice doesn't help you at all the other should help at least a little bit here and there.

"As a transfer window it is renowned for its inflated fees."

I really don't care. We are being intelligent enough with our money and hardly splashing the cash so if sometimes we spend a bit more to do business in a more convenient way for us then so be it.

"It just doesn’t suit Klopp’s approach."

I completely disagree with this vague generalisation. It suited Klopps approach bringing Van Dijk in during last winter. It's also by far the mid season point that has worked best for us under Klopp with regards to how the squad has been doing. VvD provided a real boost without which last season may well have failed off. And to go to my other posts VvD is now a rock solid foundation at the core of the squad. He's not a new player integrating in. All that was ironed out last season.

I already covered the VvD signing. Also, the VvD signing was a leftover issue from the previous summer.

I enjoy your posts normally so I don’t want to fall out with you. But you really can’t expect other posters not to get pissed off when you misrepresent their posts and continue to do so even when it is pointed out to you.

You don’t agree with me ...... fine ...... I am perfectly comfortable with that, but at least have the decency to agree with something I actually posted.
 

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Lozano also looked very good in the WC. I think it would largely depend on the cost, though, a big fee would be too much of a gamble.
Yes his performances for Mexico were pretty good, as you say it ultimately comes down to price. I just have a sneaking feeling that he would flourish in a high tempo environment. Also he has a bit of fire in him, not afraid to put a tackle in, which I like!