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Claymenza

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Does he tell kids to quit school or what mistakes did he make? Or is it because he signed for ManU and is into Rap music?

All I see is this
18/19 20 Games 6 Goals 10 Assists
17/18 51 Games 22 Goals 17 Assists
First 4 months at Lyon 17 games 5 Goals 8 Assists
National team 44 Games 13 Goals 9 Assists
Why did he turn down brendan rodgers?
In reality, rodgers was a better coach for him than van gaal. It's just that van gaal's name and past history swayed him to move to united.

Also, if depays rap calibur is anything to go by, he's a decade ahead of our own counter part: Ryan babel
 

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Isn't this counter intuitive to what man city is trying to do?
This was a successful loan for talent that will surely be the rightful heir to david silva when he comes of age.

City wouldn't sell to us
We have enough wingers.
We don't have the cash to splash now.
He won't get playing time.

If city is able to develop players via a surrogate club, why aren't we doing that?
Maybe we dont have the quality in our youth?

We have enough wingers? Really? I see little to no depth after Mane/Salah/Shaqiri.

P.s. Sancho isn’t on loan.
 
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Does he tell kids to quit school or what mistakes did he make? Or is it because he signed for ManU and is into Rap music?

All I see is this
18/19 20 Games 6 Goals 10 Assists
17/18 51 Games 22 Goals 17 Assists
First 4 months at Lyon 17 games 5 Goals 8 Assists
National team 44 Games 13 Goals 9 Assists

Whilst they aren't bad stats, it's the French league + he strikes me as a big time charlie- doing things for Lyon, but not when the level was upped at UTD.

No thanks.....
 

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I've commented already on this, but on another account i dint realise i had!

Depay for me is a big time charlie- In my opinion we need players that are better at holding onto the ball for longer. Klopp this season has looked to adapt his formation so it's not so gung ho, but for me our issues are down to not having players comfortable with taking more touches like nearly all of citys players. Don't get me wrong, we aren't the same as city and will never be + perhaps Keita will provide this as some stage. I would prefer a Aouar to a Depay any day of the week.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/12/memphis-depay-big-club-player-small-time-attitude-lyon-ligue-1

Here's just one article. Plenty more out there if you're interested, ones that document his attitude at United or out with the Dutch national team.

Regardless of how he's played he's had the attitude that he's the best player around and should be untouchable, and has spat his dummy out time and time again if a manager disagrees whether that's by turning up late, complaining in the media or not taking training and warm ups seriously. Quite the antithesis to what Klopp has tried to build at Liverpool, wouldn't you say?
Doesn't change my opinion a bit. Maybe we need a 'bad boy' on the pitch. With Klopp we have the perfect manager to deal with complicated characters - Kevin-Prince Boateng, Marco Reus, Kevin Großkreutz, Michael Thurk come to my mind. Especially the case of 'Berlin Ghetto Kid' Boateng - nobody wanted to get close to this bad boy (especially after he injured Michael Ballack) but Klopp took him on loan for 6 months. Boateng said Klopp was like a father for him and that he was the best manager he ever had.
 

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Fabinho was one of the best players in Ligue 1 and won the league with Monaco. It still took him like 6 months to settle down (has he now? we will see in the coming weeks).

Ndombele and Aouar are still 'kids'. How long would they take to settle down? So is our academy sh*t or why don't some of them make it into our first team? I'm 100% sure Marko Grujic (ok he is not a Academy product) would be a starter at Lyon and probably some of our U23 players too.
 

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Fabinho was one of the best players in Ligue 1 and won the league with Monaco. It still took him like 6 months to settle down (has he now? we will see in the coming weeks).

Ndombele and Aouar are still 'kids'. How long would they take to settle down? So is our academy sh*t or why don't some of them make it into our first team? I'm 100% sure Marko Grujic (ok he is not a Academy product) would be a starter at Lyon and probably some of our U23 players too.
I don't think Grujic would start for Lyon regularly, not this year anyway.

A few years ago I think Jones, Woodburn, Grujic and Wilson would be semi-regular in our 1st team squad but the quality required to be a 1st teamer here has just improved dramatically.

Frankly getting TAA through is brilliant achievement for the Academy - if any of Wilson, Woodburn, Jones, Brewster etc make it then it will be incredible.
 

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Doesn't change my opinion a bit. Maybe we need a 'bad boy' on the pitch. With Klopp we have the perfect manager to deal with complicated characters - Kevin-Prince Boateng, Marco Reus, Kevin Großkreutz, Michael Thurk come to my mind. Especially the case of 'Berlin Ghetto Kid' Boateng - nobody wanted to get close to this bad boy (especially after he injured Michael Ballack) but Klopp took him on loan for 6 months. Boateng said Klopp was like a father for him and that he was the best manager he ever had.
Then we should be all over Dembele. And not Depay.
 

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Then we should be all over Dembele. And not Depay.
Not sure about that lol because Dembele demolished Klopps house.

What Dembele played at Dortmund was much much better than what Sancho is playing there at the moment.

But Dembele wouldn’t solve our #9 problem. Depay or Werner would.
 

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Doesn't change my opinion a bit. Maybe we need a 'bad boy' on the pitch. With Klopp we have the perfect manager to deal with complicated characters - Kevin-Prince Boateng, Marco Reus, Kevin Großkreutz, Michael Thurk come to my mind. Especially the case of 'Berlin Ghetto Kid' Boateng - nobody wanted to get close to this bad boy (especially after he injured Michael Ballack) but Klopp took him on loan for 6 months. Boateng said Klopp was like a father for him and that he was the best manager he ever had.
Depay isn't the bad boy you're trying to describe, he's just a spoilt brat arrogant with huge chip on his shoulder which he carries his insecurity everywhere. That's what the article is explaining about him.
 

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Wijnaldum on Depay a few weeks after he signed for Lyon:
'His move to Lyon is interesting. Memphis trains incredibly hard, and he also has everything to reach the top. 'There was criticism of his game, I understand that. With his options he needs to play more. But the criticism of what he does outside of playing football, I do not understand.'

They know each other for many years now. It's almost as if Gini knew Depay would be such a success at Lyon. Also, if Wijnaldum thinks he is a good person - that's enough for me.

Depay brings goals and assists, can play upfront, LW (and even behind one or two strikers).
 

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Wijnaldum on Depay a few weeks after he signed for Lyon:
'His move to Lyon is interesting. Memphis trains incredibly hard, and he also has everything to reach the top. 'There was criticism of his game, I understand that. With his options he needs to play more. But the criticism of what he does outside of playing football, I do not understand.'

They know each other for many years now. It's almost as if Gini knew Depay would be such a success at Lyon. Also, if Wijnaldum thinks he is a good person - that's enough for me.

Depay brings goals and assists, can play upfront, LW (and even behind one or two strikers).

He's hardly going to say, nah he's a lazy B is he?

All players raved about Balotelli etc. they are all teammates at the end of the day.

Wouldn't take anything from those quotes.
 

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Wouldn't take Gini's words of support in public to a friend as something telling. He'd probably say that Babel deserves another 4 years here...

Lozano? :)
 

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On another note, but with Burnley in mind - Would anyone fancy Tom Heaton as back up to Allisson....we are likely to be shot of Migs and Heaton would give us a better back up option. Heaton has said he wants to go in January as is 3rd choice now there?
On the assumption that Mignolet will be off, and Kelleher and Grabara aren’t quite seasoned enough yet, why not? Heaton would be a good player for the role. And if not him, then that sort of profile - older, wouldn’t expect to play, but would be ready and experienced if and when called upon.
 

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Maybe we dont have the quality in our youth?

We have enough wingers? Really? I see little to no depth after Mane/Salah/Shaqiri.

P.s. Sancho isn’t on loan.
we haven't youth enough of a chance to know that.

shaqiri is depth and firmino can play on the wing if sturridge starts up front
Ox is also a winger who may no longer fit in midfield now that keita and fabinho have landed.

We have an abundance of wingers turned midfielders like gini and lallana.
 

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On another note, but with Burnley in mind - Would anyone fancy Tom Heaton as back up to Allisson....we are likely to be shot of Migs and Heaton would give us a better back up option. Heaton has said he wants to go in January as is 3rd choice now there?
Yes. Think that would be a good idea as post Brexit we may have to ditch all of our goalies except Allison, with them not being English and not likely to play in the first team. However, during the Burnley game one of the commentators said that Heaton was rumored to be joining Aston Villa in January. He might go for that over us as he'd have more chance of first team action there.
 

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Good to see everyone in good form today.

We do have quality in every department and versatility too, but should always be looking to improve and strengthen.

Let's not forget that we only have 21 outfield players, of whom a few aren't really that useful and 3 or 4 are likely departures.

You can easily see a few of Clyne, Moreno, Solanke, Sturridge, Origi and Lallana being moved on in January or the summer, and we need to keep the outfield senior squad at 20 at least.

I don't see the likes of Camacho, Jones or Philips filling those gaps without loan spells and of those on loan only Wilson looks like he could do a job next season. I think we should leave Wilson at Derby until May, he'll be much better for it than a bit part role for us.

Klopp mentioned in his post match interview that only Salah and Mane have pace in the forwards and I still think a third pacey forward would give us more options, whilst for all the promise of Keita and Shaqiri when used in attacking midfield, we can always do with a quality addition there.

Personally I'd like to see us sign Fekir (or similar) in January, loaning out Solanke and selling Origi to offset the new signing.

Then next summer bring back Oxlade, sign Pulisic, let Sturridge go and have his last big payday elsewhere and sell Lallana.

Then it's a case of replacing Clyne and Moreno, maybe with one established versatile full back and maybe promoting Camacho or Lewis.
 

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As someone mentioned Suarez not long ago (not that I think it would happen), he's got a knee problem for a while now (when you watch him it's easy to forget that he's got issues, as he can still look like a beast, but it seems like he isn't 100% anymore and perhaps won't last long at the highest level), he's trying to solve it by going through special treatment, but apparently he can't play much in one week and they will have to pick games more often from now on if it doesn't improve.
 

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As someone mentioned Suarez not long ago (not that I think it would happen), he's got a knee problem for a while now (when you watch him it's easy to forget that he's got issues, as he can still look like a beast, but it seems like he isn't 100% anymore and perhaps won't last long at the highest level), he's trying to solve it by going through special treatment, but apparently he can't play much in one week and they will have to pick games more often from now on if it doesn't improve.
I love Suarez, but his time here is over I wouldn't be re-visiting. He'd want astronomical wages as well.
 

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Yes, I don't think it would happen, from multiple sides. Just throwing that info here for people who were talking about it not long ago.
 

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LB and RB cover to give some rest to Robo and TAA. We can't expect them to cover 50-60 matches over a season. And we can't expect them to play 20 games over Dec and Jan.
 

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LB and RB cover to give some rest to Robo and TAA. We can't expect them to cover 50-60 matches over a season. And we can't expect them to play 20 games over Dec and Jan.
I don't think we need another RB, as evidenced by the fact that Clyne hasn't featured at all this season. What's the point in replacing him with yet another player, when we seem to be coping absolutely fine with Trent and Gomez rotating? In a pinch we've also got Milner and Fabinho who can do a stellar job if needed, along with Camacho who fits the profile (i.e. being good on the ball) more than Clyne does.

I do agree about needing a LB though, assuming that Moreno will be allowed to leave on a free next summer. Given the frequent links to Chilwell and Sessegnon in recent windows it would seem that Edwards and Klopp have their sights set on having a young English (homegrown) LB rotating with Robertson, which would make perfect sense. Some have mentioned Lewis as a potential option, but I remain unconvinced.
 

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I don't think we need another RB, as evidenced by the fact that Clyne hasn't featured at all this season. What's the point in replacing him with yet another player, when we seem to be coping absolutely fine with Trent and Gomez rotating? In a pinch we've also got Milner and Fabinho who can do a stellar job if needed, along with Camacho who fits the profile (i.e. being good on the ball) more than Clyne does.

I do agree about needing a LB though, assuming that Moreno will be allowed to leave on a free next summer. Given the frequent links to Chilwell and Sessegnon in recent windows it would seem that Edwards and Klopp have their sights set on having a young English (homegrown) LB rotating with Robertson, which would make perfect sense. Some have mentioned Lewis as a potential option, but I remain unconvinced.
We were also linked with Llloyd Kelly at Bristol recently. Think a LB will definitely be brought in over the summer but not a RB.