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Fabinho did some minutes there in pre season. Would be amazed if Phillips was picked ahead of him.
 

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Just read Matip is out for 6 weeks. I wonder if a CB signing is necessary in January?
Think so. 6 weeks isn't the longest amount of time but they would still need time to get back to match fitness after recovering from the injury. This also leaves our current defensive stocks threadbare. We don't have anyone except lovren and van dijk in the senior team. This has the potential to derail us

Don't know who we can get in January and whether the youngsters are able to come in and step up. If anyone can guide the youngsters and build them up , it has to be virgil.
 

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Think so. 6 weeks isn't the longest amount of time but they would still need time to get back to match fitness after recovering from the injury. This also leaves our current defensive stocks threadbare. We don't have anyone except lovren and van dijk in the senior team. This has the potential to derail us

Don't know who we can get in January and whether the youngsters are able to come in and step up. If anyone can guide the youngsters and build them up , it has to be virgil.
Most signings take time to settle, and by the time they'd be ready to feature Matip and Gomez would already be back.

Moreover, our fixtures in January and early February after City are good so we should be able to manage even if one of Fabinho/Wijnaldum/Phillips had to cover at CB for a bit:

Thu 3rd | City (a)
Mon 7th | Wolves (a) (FA cup)
Sat 12th | Brighton (a)
Sat 19th | Palace (H)
Fa cup 4th round
Wed 30th | Leicester (H)
Sat 2nd | West Ham (a)
Sat 9th | Bournemouth (H)
 

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Most signings take time to settle, and by the time they'd be ready to feature Matip and Gomez would already be back.

Moreover, our fixtures in January and early February after City are good so we should be able to manage even if one of Fabinho/Wijnaldum/Phillips had to cover at CB for a bit:

Thu 3rd | City (a)
Mon 7th | Wolves (a) (FA cup)
Sat 12th | Brighton (a)
Sat 19th | Palace (H)
Fa cup 4th round
Wed 30th | Leicester (H)
Sat 2nd | West Ham (a)
Sat 9th | Bournemouth (H)
Any which way , it's highly unlikely that we'd be able to sign a CB who'll be ready to play against city on Jan 3rd. Just got to get through these matches and wrap lovren and van dijk in cotton wool till then. We should have a better understanding of when Gomez will return by then as it's only 5 weeks to his comeback now.

Getting two defenders injured is incredibly unlucky. Need to still be looking at getting a january transfer, maybe for Declan rice ? he hasn't signed a contract extension with west ham
 

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Yeah, I had seen that but couldn't see any reference to any injury. Odd one. Probably should discuss this in his player thread. Oh wait... :tongue:

Would be good to know more if anyone has any info.
I found this in the Echo:

Currently, there isn't much in reserve. Academy youngster Nat Phillips impressed Klopp massively with his performances during the pre-season tour of America.

The 21-year-old defender would be the next in line but he's been hampered by an Achilles problem this season. He hasn't featured for Liverpool Under-23s since going off at half-time in the mini derby at Goodison last month.
 

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Think so. 6 weeks isn't the longest amount of time but they would still need time to get back to match fitness after recovering from the injury. This also leaves our current defensive stocks threadbare. We don't have anyone except lovren and van dijk in the senior team. This has the potential to derail us

Don't know who we can get in January and whether the youngsters are able to come in and step up. If anyone can guide the youngsters and build them up , it has to be virgil.
I've heard on the grapevine Caulker's available:think:
 

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Does anyone know anything about RB Salzburg?

I noticed tonight they've won all 6 of their EL games and have won 14/17 of their league games. They must have a few players worth looking at.

Amadou Haidara looks like he was tipped to replace Keita at Lepizig so he could be one to watch.
 

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Does anyone know anything about RB Salzburg?

I noticed tonight they've won all 6 of their EL games and have won 14/17 of their league games. They must have a few players worth looking at.

Amadou Haidara looks like he was tipped to replace Keita at Lepizig so he could be one to watch.
Got eliminated by Crvena Zvezda in CL qualifications because they took their foot off the gas before their opponent was done. A decent side, I know about Haidara and one centre back of theirs was decent but that was about it. Still, they seem to have decent scouting, two of their former players eventually ended up signing for Liverpool for almost 90 million pounds combined.
 

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Got eliminated by Crvena Zvezda in CL qualifications because they took their foot off the gas before their opponent was done. A decent side, I know about Haidara and one centre back of theirs was decent but that was about it. Still, they seem to have decent scouting, two of their former players eventually ended up signing for Liverpool for almost 90 million pounds combined.
Yep, not just scouting but they (RB football generally) are very active in Africa with academies etc.

Must fly close to the line with FIFA transfer rules.
 

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Looking at the squad now it's great. I'd say there's only really one area in a "starting 11" that could do with upgrading. Even that's in question if Ox comes back at the level he was showing when he got injured.

There are maybe 2 or 3 covering roles that are needed and apart from that we have great strength in depth. What we have in those areas is good enough to be getting on with.

GK: Alisson perfect 1st choice and the two younger keepers can duke it out for 3rd/4th choice for now. Mignolet is fine as current 2nd choice but ideally we need a similar style to Alisson and Simon is likely to push to leave. Can't see Karius returning either. So an experienced sweeper keeper type to come in as 2nd choice. That player might be free or cheap so we might actually make money here moving 2 out and 1 in.

CB: I'd only touch if Matip or Lovren push to leave but currently I think every one is getting enough time and chances to stay happy so I think everyone might stay for a little bit yet.

FB: With the strength at CB and Fabinho/Milner able to cover from midfield I think RB is fine with Trent and maybe a youth player option. Sorry Clyne. At LB Robertson is awesome as a first choice. Moreno ok as a back up but I suspect he will want to move on so maybe someone here. Maybe someone who can play more than one position as Robertson hopefully won't miss many games.

CM: Looking at a 2 man base you've got Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Keita, Milner, Grujic. In a 3 man midfield maybe Ox, Lallana and Shaqiri too. I think it's time for Lallana to move on unfortunately, have a last hurrah elsewhere. I'd say if Milner stays let Grujic go on loan again. If Rabiot can be persuaded to come then I think letting Milner go to Leeds might be appropriate and keeping Grujic on loan but it's not essential, just an opportunity to improve that might be possible so why not. Sometimes might need a better AM when in a 3 man midfield.

Attack: We have quite a fluid attack and, although not quite firing on all cylinders, a bear perfect starting front 3. When in a front 3 I'd say Firmino, Salah, Mane, Shaqiri, Sturridge (if he stays), Wilson and Brewster would be good if not quite great. In a 4231 I'd also include Ox in the numbers but it's not quite as good a set of options then. I think one strong, top player could solve our issues. Either able to play AM and/or CF and ideally wide on the left too. Or two players with Sturridge going. Origi and Ings leaving and Solanke probably going on loan.

So;
Mignolet upgrade.
Moreno upgrade/replacement.
Lallana upgrade.
Possible Sturridge replacement.

If we got a combo like Sessegnon and Dybala we could cover three of those upgrades with 2 players leaving more room for the likes of Wilson and Brewster.
 

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I still maintain you should always be looking to improve, using each window to do so. If January wasn't any use, they wouldn't have a January window.

We've bought some great players in January, it gives everyone a lift mid season and the player concerned has half a season to settle down and be fully up to speed the next season. He'll always contribute something to the rest of the season too.

We also have to keep the squad deep. We only have 21 outfield players and a few may leave in January. We need to ensure we have 20 usable outfield players after 31/1.

We need to take account of the injury prone nature of some of our players too and plan around that. Three of our centre backs do get a lot of injuries.

Personally, I think that if Clyne is no longer fit for purpose, we could look to sign a right back in January who can cover central defence.

I don't see TAA as an accomplished right back defensively, for me he is the weak link in the defence and I'd certainly look to add genuine specialist competition to the position.

Gomez needs to always play centre back now when used, it's too much of a strain on his injury prone body to have him hurtling up and down the flanks.

Aside from a replacement for Migs as back up keeper if he goes, for me a right back come centre back and a quality attacking midfielder come forward, would boost the squad for the second half of the season.

I still hope for someone like Fekir, whose contract has run down a bit and should be a price we can take a punt on.

Sell Origi, loan Solanke, sign Fekir, and if Clyne goes sign a right back.
 

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I think if we got Ziyech or Lozano (two different types of players I know)... The likes of Sturridge, Origi, Lallana, and Markovic can all be shipped out, Solanke loaned out, and Brewster promoted.

The rest I would wait for summer: backup LB and replacement for Mignolet.
 

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I still maintain you should always be looking to improve, using each window to do so. If January wasn't any use, they wouldn't have a January window.

We've bought some great players in January, it gives everyone a lift mid season and the player concerned has half a season to settle down and be fully up to speed the next season. He'll always contribute something to the rest of the season too.

We also have to keep the squad deep. We only have 21 outfield players and a few may leave in January. We need to ensure we have 20 usable outfield players after 31/1.

We need to take account of the injury prone nature of some of our players too and plan around that. Three of our centre backs do get a lot of injuries.

Personally, I think that if Clyne is no longer fit for purpose, we could look to sign a right back in January who can cover central defence.

I don't see TAA as an accomplished right back defensively, for me he is the weak link in the defence and I'd certainly look to add genuine specialist competition to the position.

Gomez needs to always play centre back now when used, it's too much of a strain on his injury prone body to have him hurtling up and down the flanks.

Aside from a replacement for Migs as back up keeper if he goes, for me a right back come centre back and a quality attacking midfielder come forward, would boost the squad for the second half of the season.

I still hope for someone like Fekir, whose contract has run down a bit and should be a price we can take a punt on.

Sell Origi, loan Solanke, sign Fekir, and if Clyne goes sign a right back.
You may be right and Trent might be the "weak link" in defence! But it's a defence currently setting the record for best defence in English top flight history. So to be the weak link in that defence doesn't mean he isn't good enough. At his age he will obviously not be the finished product yet but he has every potential to be looked back on as a truly special player.

Gomez is a great CB, a special one in the making. But also a very good RB. Gomez at RB and Lovren or Matip covering CB is Probably as good or better than Gomez at CB and a player happy to be cover at RB. Plus by Gomez no longer covering RB itd mean Lovren and Matip getting less chances and could lead to one of them pushing to leave so making us get a cover player there that might be worse.

I think that balance is fine for now and the defensive results are certainly giving the impression it is working. A lot of our defence unit is young and only newly put together and should naturally improve over time. There's very little that could persuade me to change much back there. Improvements on Moreno and Mignolet (for playing style) are about all I'd look for here. Maybe two quality players getting on who are happy to be cover options for a while. Or a player that can play LB and somewhere else like left wing to still get plenty of playing time.
 

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You may be right and Trent might be the "weak link" in defence! But it's a defence currently setting the record for best defence in English top flight history. So to be the weak link in that defence doesn't mean he isn't good enough. At his age he will obviously not be the finished product yet but he has every potential to be looked back on as a truly special player.

Gomez is a great CB, a special one in the making. But also a very good RB. Gomez at RB and Lovren or Matip covering CB is Probably as good or better than Gomez at CB and a player happy to be cover at RB. Plus by Gomez no longer covering RB itd mean Lovren and Matip getting less chances and could lead to one of them pushing to leave so making us get a cover player there that might be worse.

I think that balance is fine for now and the defensive results are certainly giving the impression it is working. A lot of our defence unit is young and only newly put together and should naturally improve over time. There's very little that could persuade me to change much back there. Improvements on Moreno and Mignolet (for playing style) are about all I'd look for here. Maybe two quality players getting on who are happy to be cover options for a while. Or a player that can play LB and somewhere else like left wing to still get plenty of playing time.
Fair points made there and I agree that right back is seemingly well covered by TAA, Gomez, Clyne, Milner and Fabinho.

I still maintain though that TAA is not the level of the rest of the defence. He's been suspect many times, especially against quality opposition, which is why Gomez has been used there in some of those matches.

But really you don't want your best centre back partnership breaking up for those matches, so in my view it's a double hit. You also really don't want to be taking midfielders out of midfield and into defence, you need to have them available to rotate in midfield during intense runs of matches.

Also, the broader point here though is that we don't want the squad to fall below 20 senior usable players.

On average you have 2 or 3 players out injured at any time, so your bench is still strong. Let that dip to 17 or 18 players and your bench isn't as strong unless the squad is 100% fit.

We currently have 21 senior outfield players, including Origi and Solanke (who have both played enough in our first team to be counted as such, even though their level is debatable).

We have 8 defenders (two for each position), 7 midfielders (including Shaqiri and Lallana as midfielders) and 6 forwards (including Sturridge, Origi and Solanke).

Take Solanke, Origi and Clyne out in January and you're left with 18 outfield players, including only 7 defenders and 4 forwards.

At a player by player level I can see the argument for letting Clyne, Solanke and Origi go if they're only going to play in emergencies or the FA Cup, and not even get on the bench if the squad is mostly fit.

But without some signings it would not leave us with a big enough squad to challenge on two fronts, let alone the FA Cup too, and IMO would be reckless.

If we get to 3 or 4 injuries you'd rather have those three coming off the bench in the latter stages to see out matches than unproven players like Camacho, Jones or Philips.

By all means let Clyne go and sign Fekir, freeing up a midfielder to cover right back during intense periods with rotation required.

But start culling the senior squad to 18 outfield players, and we can't start complaining when we're short of options in March, April and May.
 

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i'd try to get that scary looking bastard vida on loan from besitkas for the rest of the season
 

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Fair points made there and I agree that right back is seemingly well covered by TAA, Gomez, Clyne, Milner and Fabinho.

I still maintain though that TAA is not the level of the rest of the defence. He's been suspect many times, especially against quality opposition, which is why Gomez has been used there in some of those matches.

But really you don't want your best centre back partnership breaking up for those matches, so in my view it's a double hit. You also really don't want to be taking midfielders out of midfield and into defence, you need to have them available to rotate in midfield during intense runs of matches.

Also, the broader point here though is that we don't want the squad to fall below 20 senior usable players.

On average you have 2 or 3 players out injured at any time, so your bench is still strong. Let that dip to 17 or 18 players and your bench isn't as strong unless the squad is 100% fit.

We currently have 21 senior outfield players, including Origi and Solanke (who have both played enough in our first team to be counted as such, even though their level is debatable).

We have 8 defenders (two for each position), 7 midfielders (including Shaqiri and Lallana as midfielders) and 6 forwards (including Sturridge, Origi and Solanke).

Take Solanke, Origi and Clyne out in January and you're left with 18 outfield players, including only 7 defenders and 4 forwards.

At a player by player level I can see the argument for letting Clyne, Solanke and Origi go if they're only going to play in emergencies or the FA Cup, and not even get on the bench if the squad is mostly fit.

But without some signings it would not leave us with a big enough squad to challenge on two fronts, let alone the FA Cup too, and IMO would be reckless.

If we get to 3 or 4 injuries you'd rather have those three coming off the bench in the latter stages to see out matches than unproven players like Camacho, Jones or Philips.

By all means let Clyne go and sign Fekir, freeing up a midfielder to cover right back during intense periods with rotation required.

But start culling the senior squad to 18 outfield players, and we can't start complaining when we're short of options in March, April and May.
Replacing three players like Lallana, Origi, and Solanke with a top class player who would feature regularly would strengthen the squad considerably, even if it meant only having 18 or 19 first team players. Quality over quantity.

Obviously there's a limit to that, which we saw with the poor depth in the 2009 and 2014 title challenging teams, but this squad is much deeper than those two already so it won't be an issue.

Hypothetically, let's say that all of Mignolet, Clyne, Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, Solanke, and Origi were let go next summer (that's 7 first team players). Those exits would leave the squad at 17, as follows:

------------------ Alisson

Trent ---- Gomez ----- Van Dijk ------ Robertson
----------- Lovren ------ Matip ---------------------

-------------- Henderson
-------------- Fabinho

----- Wijnaldum --------- Keita
------ Milner -------------- Ox

Salah --------- Firmino ----------- Mané
Shaqiri

There's good opportunities there for youngsters to stake a claim all over the pitch, particularly the following:

GK: Grabara, Kelleher
RB: Camacho, Hoever
LB: Lewis
CM: Grujic, Jones
FWD: Wilson
ST: Brewster

Let's say that two of those youngsters nail down spots in the squad next year. Then you add 2 top quality players, for example, a striker and a left sided player. Then you've got a squad of 21, which is the ideal number to begin with. That is assuming though that Klopp does indeed trust 2 (or more) of those young players listed above (say for example, Camacho at RB and Wilson at LW).

Whatever the case, I think the squad is in the perfect position now, where any signings to replace players needs only to be 1-2 top quality options, and with plenty of young alternatives to fill out the squad.
 

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Fair points made there and I agree that right back is seemingly well covered by TAA, Gomez, Clyne, Milner and Fabinho.

I still maintain though that TAA is not the level of the rest of the defence. He's been suspect many times, especially against quality opposition, which is why Gomez has been used there in some of those matches.

But really you don't want your best centre back partnership breaking up for those matches, so in my view it's a double hit. You also really don't want to be taking midfielders out of midfield and into defence, you need to have them available to rotate in midfield during intense runs of matches.

Also, the broader point here though is that we don't want the squad to fall below 20 senior usable players.

On average you have 2 or 3 players out injured at any time, so your bench is still strong. Let that dip to 17 or 18 players and your bench isn't as strong unless the squad is 100% fit.

We currently have 21 senior outfield players, including Origi and Solanke (who have both played enough in our first team to be counted as such, even though their level is debatable).

We have 8 defenders (two for each position), 7 midfielders (including Shaqiri and Lallana as midfielders) and 6 forwards (including Sturridge, Origi and Solanke).

Take Solanke, Origi and Clyne out in January and you're left with 18 outfield players, including only 7 defenders and 4 forwards.

At a player by player level I can see the argument for letting Clyne, Solanke and Origi go if they're only going to play in emergencies or the FA Cup, and not even get on the bench if the squad is mostly fit.

But without some signings it would not leave us with a big enough squad to challenge on two fronts, let alone the FA Cup too, and IMO would be reckless.

If we get to 3 or 4 injuries you'd rather have those three coming off the bench in the latter stages to see out matches than unproven players like Camacho, Jones or Philips.

By all means let Clyne go and sign Fekir, freeing up a midfielder to cover right back during intense periods with rotation required.

But start culling the senior squad to 18 outfield players, and we can't start complaining when we're short of options in March, April and May.
Think my squad would be this (positions they are options for in brackets and a * for senior foreign players of which we are limited to 17);

Alisson (GK)*
Reina/Muslera (GK)*
Grabara/Kelleher (GK)
Van Dijk (CB)*
Gomez (CB,RB&LB)
Lovren (CB)*
Matip (CB)*
Robertson (LB)*
Sessegnon (LB&LW)
Fabinho (CM, RB&CB)*
Henderson (CM, RB&LB if really needed)
Rabiot (CM)*
Wijnaldum (CM)*
Keita (CM&AM)*
Oxlade-Chamberlain (AM, RW, LW, RB&LB)
Shaqiri (RW, AM&LW)*
Mane (LW, RW&AM)*
Wilson (LW, RW&AM)
Salah (RW&CF)*
Firmino (CF&AM)*
Dybala (CF, AM&LW)*
Brewster (CF)

That's 22/23 players depending on 3 or 4 keepers. All should be useable for next year. Possible Milner or Grujic would be more realistic than Rabiot? Only used Dybala, Reina and Sessegnon as examples but they're the three I think I'd choose to add at this stage if I had to. Haven't looked into it much. Gives lots of options and within the squad rules UEFA and English competitions impose. A few real emergency option positions listed, I don't see an injury crises severe enough to force Klopp to use Ox or Henderson as wing backs but he'd be able too if really needed.
 
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I would sell:
Mignolet - 5m
Clyne - 15m
Matip - 15m
Moreno - FREE
Lallana - 5m
Sturridge - 10m
Origi - 20m

Loan:
One of Grabara or Kelleher
One of Philips or Masterson
Woodburn
One of Camacho or Lewis
Solanke

Over the next two transfer windows I would buy:
An old experienced keeper to replace Mignolet e.g. Reina/Casillas
Pavard (to replace Matip and Clyne)
Sessegnon, if Fulham get relegated (to replace Moreno and play LW too)
Aouar (to replace Lallana and maybe Milner if he goes to Leeds)
Belotti/Werner/another young striker (to replace Sturridge and Origi)

Overall, assuming the GK is a free transfer I think this would cost around:
50 million for Pavard
40 million for Sessegnon
40 million for Aouar
40 million for Belotti (Werner would be more expensive and Belotti would be a better fit for us imo)

So 170 million out of which 70 million is outgoings and combined with out money from the CL and PL (hopefully the prize money for first place in both), we should be able to pay the extra 100 million.

Also, promote Wilson to the first team.


------------Alisson------------
TAA---Gomez-----VVD---Robbo
Oxlade-----Fab------Nab
Salah------Firmino-------Mane

----------Reina-----------
Pavard---Lovren---Philps------Sessegnon
Aouar------Hendo-------Gini
Shaqiri-----Belotti-------Wilson
 

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Business wise i can see why LFC would want Pulisic...but he's not even an out and out starter for Dortmund.

Much prefer Sancho at the prices...
 



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I think we really should look very seriously at bringing in young Declan Rice. He can cover CDM and CB and is a very talented boy indeed. I would love to see what Klopp could do with him.
 

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Wijnaldum
Robertson
Shaqiri

Who’s next?
Speaking of players from clubs fighting relegation, Wan-Bissaka (if Camacho isn't groomed to be a right back), Zaha is always doing well for Palace, Billing perhaps, Sessegnon... Bednarek played a fantastic game against Arsenal yesterday, Hasenhuttl likes him and I think he'll finally start fulfiling his potential. Lemina is also more than decent, though a bit prone to injury issues.

That said, the only one of these I'd really like to see at Liverpool is Wan-Bissaka. The kid is unreal as a defender, like Clyne on steroids and with more than enough time to improve in the attacking aspect - that would probably depend on his choice of the next club, though.