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Minka

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We should sign a quality attacking midfielder come forward to bolster the squad.

We can cover defence with midfielders but we can't have a tired unrotated midfield and weakened defence and no rotation in the forwards.
I would go for Felipe Anderson West Ham. I think he's a fantastically creative player. Even better than Nabil Fekir.
A quick, well-rounded, and technically gifted midfielder, with a slender and diminutive but long-limbed physique, Felipe Anderson is considered a promising and talented young player. He is predominantly known for his pace, and is regarded as one of the fastest players in the modern game; although not imposing physically or in the air, he also possesses good ball control, quick feet, and excellent dribbling skills, which allow him to beat opponents in one on one situations. A tactically versatile player, he is capable of playing in several different positions due to his wide range of skills, high work-rate, and ability to both create and score goals: he has been used as a forward or as a central midfield playmaker, but has most frequently been deployed as either a winger or an attacking midfielder, due to his offensive movement and tendency to operate between the lines; he is capable of playing on either flank or through the centre of the pitch, due to his ability to cut into the middle and strike on goal, or move out to the wing to provide accurate crosses to teammates in the area. In addition to his speed, stamina, creativity and technical ability, he is known for his eye for goal, and is gifted with a powerful and accurate shot from distance with either foot, despite being naturally right-footed; he is also an accurate set-piece and penalty kick taker. He can also serve as an assist-man due to his creative ability, vision, dead-ball delivery, and eye for the final pass.
 

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I think we could cement our prospects. We went for Fekir and are told Shaqiri or Alisson weren't bought instead.

Our forward squad isn't good enough and one quality addition could really change that. The Fekir signing basically.

That's my view.
I'd have Shaqiri and Alisson over Fekir any day.

But I agree with the point that we are light on quality in the final third. One more top option to go with the main three and we will have the strength in depth that area needs, backed up by an emerging Brewster. I think that is precisely what we will do, but the one we want is not available until summer, so in the meantime Klopp is retaining Origi after having started to clear out the decks with Ings and Solanke. (It remains to be seen if that's how it pans out, but I think we will sign a very good attacker this summer).

As for the owners, they may well be taking a management fee off the top of various commercial deals. If so, I don't mind that as they are entitled to get a return for their investment. That said, it should all be open and above board if that's what is going on. If you have evidence of what you are saying, please produce it so we can see it too.

The trophy winners over the last two decades have mostly been Man City, Chelsea, and Man Utd. There is a strong correlation between money and success, no point arguing otherwise.

Two of the three are artificially inflated and do not offer a model to try to emulate. The other is a financial juggernaut with two decades of sustained success, under one of the best managers we've seen, all while exploiting more adeptly than others the money that flooded into the game in the Prem era. They did very well and built up a massive empire but in just a few short years since Ferguson they have slipped back to the point that these days they are scrambling to make top four and have enormous debts to manage. Their next managerial appointment could go a long way towards determining their lot for the next two decades. Get it right and they could be ensconced in the top four again, looking at titles. Get it wrong and they could be on the outside looking in, relatively speaking, for years to come.

We are building something up here and the future looks great. But it's not some off-in-the-distance future that seems more of a wing and a prayer. It seems tangible, like we are on the cusp of doing something special. It is going to be incredibly difficult, given he opposition we face, but we are going well and it's a great time to be a red.
 
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Those two stats are pretty vital if he wants to make a mark as a top player in our side, don’t you think? There’s a reason why fans today are loving Shaqiri, and it’s not his lip service about how much he loves playing here.
Yes, but as he isnt a forward, he isnt immediately required to be hitting those two stats. If his other stats are holding up from his move to a harder league then its a good sign that goals and assists could follow shortly. Worth remembering Gini isnt particularly big in goals or assists for us but has been considered by many fans to be having a great season this year....
 

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We should sign a quality attacking midfielder come forward to bolster the squad.
I totally agree mate but unless a transfer totally out of the blue happens (which i can't see happening myself),it's wait till the summer again.
 

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Don't think any reinforcements will be added this month but definitely feel that Studge and Origi will be going in the summer and a LW/FWD player will come in. Timo Werner would be the preference for me but I am not a scout so there undoubtedly alternatives. Also, there must be a chance to see a Fekir type player coming in to bolster the attacking line-up.
 

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Kudos to you mate for continuing to attempt a rational dialogue after all this time. I suspect you'd have rather more success applying your head to the nearest wall, though.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. The term fiscal responsibility is lost on some, though.

The concept that we are still in the same decade that the club was in threat of administration is not to be scoffed at. But some of the internet wizards seem to believe that money grows on trees.
 

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He has got a point though.

Success correlates directly with matching there or thereabouts spending vs your rivals over a sustained period of time.

There really are no cases apart from outliers like LCFC that go against that reality.

Given that we cannot outspend at least two of our direct rivals (Roman seems to have reeled himself in a bit) then what we do need to do is spend what we can.

Can’t be arsed going through the figures but if we were to just say the 30m a season is close enough then to me, that needs to be adjusted.

Even taking in the Klopp factor of working on the training field first, that figure seems low.

For me, we should be moving heaven and earth to go large sooner rather than later......for me, again, it’s more about the bedding period than squad filling.

Let’s say it is Timo Werner Klopp is after....in a perfect world, I’d rather we pay the premium to get him early so he can hit the ground running next season.




Obviously there’s a ridiculous amount of variables so I’m certainly NOT criticising the club or manager.....but yeah, I’d like to see this form backed up with real intent.

New faces in the dressing room can backfire, but more often than not, for the really well scouted players the squad gets a great bounce from the extra challenge for a place.
 

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He has got a point though.

Success correlates directly with matching there or thereabouts spending vs your rivals over a sustained period of time.

There really are no cases apart from outliers like LCFC that go against that reality.

Given that we cannot outspend at least two of our direct rivals (Roman seems to have reeled himself in a bit) then what we do need to do is spend what we can.

Can’t be arsed going through the figures but if we were to just say the 30m a season is close enough then to me, that needs to be adjusted.

Even taking in the Klopp factor of working on the training field first, that figure seems low.

For me, we should be moving heaven and earth to go large sooner rather than later......for me, again, it’s more about the bedding period than squad filling.

Let’s say it is Timo Werner Klopp is after....in a perfect world, I’d rather we pay the premium to get him early so he can hit the ground running next season.

Obviously there’s a ridiculous amount of variables so I’m certainly NOT criticising the club or manager.....but yeah, I’d like to see this form backed up with real intent.

New faces in the dressing room can backfire, but more often than not, for the really well scouted players the squad gets a great bounce from the extra challenge for a place.
Considering we are ahead of City who are currently refusing to comment on blatant abuse of FFP and UEFA are too scared to do anything about it as they have the backing of a country, I think we are performing exceptionally well..

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/15/manchester-city-refuse-comment-uefa-ffp-allegations?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

City - It's not fair we got hacked which is wrong (even if it did prove they bypassed FFP systemically for years)

We aren't backed by a sovereign fund from a country built upon Human Rights violations, or a Russian Oligarch who got rich by back handed deals on government owned assets helped by the mafia.. We are ran by business men, who are delivering on their promise to compete but live within our means.

If either pull out of either club both clubs are crippled.

We spend within our means, I'm more than happy with this self-sustainability. We have spent what is required when required, I'd love someone to prove otherwise - Alisson and Van Dijk literally disprove that we don't do this by all levels of any doubt.

p.s. Klopp disproved the notion you have to spend the most to win titles by usurping Bayern twice with Dortmund. We are blessed we have this man.
 

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I actually don’t disagree with anything you say to be honest.

It’s a tweak on what you are saying, that’s all.

I’m not looking to outspend citeh over a sustained period, but I am saying that if there was 50 plus to spend on Fekir, or 80 plus to spend on Timo, then I’d love us to spend it, as Klopps net spend is quite thrifty.

I get the type of man he is, and what he’s bringing to the club regarding training ground vs chequebook....

But if Timo Werner was to report to training first thing on Monday morning I’m 100% sure Kloppo would not storm into the bosses office in a huff.

It just feels right to go all out to top this squad up right now, not just for this season, but for next too.




But don’t confuse this with me complaining, the way the club has gone about business for the last whatever period of time it is, has me full of confidence that I don’t have to worry that any stones are being left unturned in our bid for success.

The last time I complained was when we didn’t sign VVD that window, why the hell didn’t we have a plan B........tasty fucking humble pie that....

I’m just saying, I’d love us to go big in the next two weeks. I’d be fucking chuffed.
 

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I actually don’t disagree with anything you say to be honest.

It’s a tweak on what you are saying, that’s all.

I’m not looking to outspend citeh over a sustained period, but I am saying that if there was 50 plus to spend on Fekir, or 80 plus to spend on Timo, then I’d love us to spend it, as Klopps net spend is quite thrifty.

I get the type of man he is, and what he’s bringing to the club regarding training ground vs chequebook....

But if Timo Werner was to report to training first thing on Monday morning I’m 100% sure Kloppo would not storm into the bosses office in a huff.

It just feels right to go all out to top this squad up right now, not just for this season, but for next too.

But don’t confuse this with me complaining, the way the club has gone about business for the last whatever period of time it is, has me full of confidence that I don’t have to worry that any stones are being left unturned in our bid for success.

The last time I complained was when we didn’t sign VVD that window, why the hell didn’t we have a plan B........tasty fucking humble pie that....

I’m just saying, I’d love us to go big in the next two weeks. I’d be fucking chuffed.
I just think it's not as cut and dry i.e. Red Bull won't sell Werner till the summer, so we may be making those bids but just getting flat out rejected.

Klopp doesn't strike me as a "bring in a body" he will look to use youth, he'll move people into a new position, he'll tweak his tactics/formation to overcome a short term problem.

If Edwards says sorry Klopp 100% they won't sell Werner this window but you get him in summer, I think Klopp says right ok I'll work with what I have till I get what I want. Which is what I think is key - RedForever will have you believe this is lack of ambition and FSG not providing funds to Klopp, I disagree and say it's reality of the January window.
 

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Re fiscal irresponsibility, I'm certain no Jeremy Corbyn in terms of madhouse economics that have always failed and will always fail.

I want us to be fiscally responsible, my point remains that I don't expect us to match City or United in terms of net spending, but I think we'll need to spend more than £30m net a season, relying on good scouting to use that money effectively and Klopp's man management to make us competitive regardless.

The Dortmund/Bayern comparison isn't wholly relevant. Germany has one rich club, England has at least three that LFC has to get the better of, plus the likes of Spurs and Arsenal as direct competitors in terms of financial position.

One can never really glean what could be made available for net spending, when the club is part of an international group structure where revenues can be moved around and manipulated.

I just feel that a club that reported £36m post tax profit in its most recent published accounts and turning over £300m+, could be spending more net when we do.

As to timing of that spending, especially if waiting is more to do with paying a premium for signing someone like Werner now than in the summer, I think you need to consider the moment as well as the long term.

The title campaign has gone so much better than we expected, in part because City had a stumble in December that nobody expected.

When we've dropped points this season its been because we've just missed that little extra (City away), or been fatigued (Chelsea away).

Nobody expected to be 4 points clear in the New Year, and having played City twice it's LFC's to lose. From this position you really should be looking to firm everything up and paying £10m more for Werner now would be worth 10 times that if we win the title and go deeper into the CL.

You'd think the club would have learned about value rather than price by now. Alisson paid about £10m of his fee back with one save in the Napoli match, seeing us to the last 16.

I do think its convenient for some on here to try and position my views as extreme and unrealistic when the reality is my view on the spending is fair minded.

I have always said FSG have professionalised LFC commercially, whilst also riding the wave of the TV rights inflation. I have praised the recent transfer activity, both the maxing out of player sales and the good buys.

But I still think they could allow a bit more spending at this crucial juncture to take LFC over the line to actual trophy winners.

Winning the PL and CL this season would be huge for the future of the club, winning either would be great but still a wasted opportunity IMO.

Winning neither would ask serious questions about competence and intent.

People often mention Klopp's stated preferences.

Well when he got here he called the loan system madness and is now its biggest fan. He called spending big bucks crazy and now does it himself.

Maybe one day he'll look back and realise that January activity to sure up trophy chances was a missed opportunity.
 
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Re fiscal irresponsibility, I'm certain no Jeremy Corbyn in terms of madhouse economics that have always failed and will always fail.

I want us to be fiscally responsible, my point remains that I don't expect us to match City or United in terms of net spending, but I think we'll need to spend more than £30m net a season, relying on good scouting to use that money effectively and Klopp's man management to make us competitive regardless.

The Dortmund/Bayern comparison isn't wholly relevant. Germany has one rich club, England has at least three that LFC has to get the better of, plus the likes of Spurs and Arsenal as direct competitors in terms of financial position.

One can never really glean what could be made available for net spending, when the club is part of an international group structure where revenues can be moved around and manipulated.

I just feel that a club that reported £36m post tax profit in its most recent published accounts and turning over £300m+, could be spending more net when we do.

As to timing of that spending, especially if waiting is more to do with paying a premium for signing someone like Werner now than in the summer, I think you need to consider the moment as well as the long term.

The title campaign has gone so much better than we expected, in part because City had a stumble in December that nobody expected.

When we've dropped points this season its been because we've just missed that little extra (City away), or been fatigued (Chelsea away).

Nobody expected to be 4 points clear in the New Year, and having played City twice it's LFC's to lose. From this position you really should be looking to firm everything up and paying £10m more for Werner now would be worth 10 times that if we win the title and go deeper into the CL.

You'd think the club would have learned about value rather than price by now. Alisson paid about £10m of his fee back with one save in the Napoli match, seeing us to the last 16.

I do think its convenient for some on here to try and position my views as extreme and unrealistic when the reality is my view on the spending is fair minded.

I have always said FSG have professionalised LFC commercially, whilst also riding the wave of the TV rights inflation. I have praised the recent transfer activity, both the maxing out of player sales and the good buys.

But I still think they could allow a bit more spending at this crucial juncture to take LFC over the line to actual trophy winners.

Winning the PL and CL this season would be huge for the future of the club, winning either would be great but still a wasted opportunity IMO.

Winning neither would ask serious questions about competence and intent.

People often mention Klopp's stated preferences.

Well when he got here he called the loan system madness and is now its biggest fan. He called spending big bucks crazy and now does it himself.

Maybe one day he'll look back and realise that January activity to sure up trophy chances was a missed opportunity.
Again, you are making the massive assumption that this is a problem of intention rather than availability.

The problem is that the players that would be of use to us are not generally available in January.

Your have an idea that all that’s necessary is for Klopp/Edwards/FSG to decide to spend more and this will automatically lead to LFC having better players.

We have no evidence that we’ve missed out on anyone or compromised the squad because we’ve been unwilling to spend the money.
 

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He has got a point though.

Success correlates directly with matching there or thereabouts spending vs your rivals over a sustained period of time.

There really are no cases apart from outliers like LCFC that go against that reality.

Given that we cannot outspend at least two of our direct rivals (Roman seems to have reeled himself in a bit) then what we do need to do is spend what we can.

Can’t be arsed going through the figures but if we were to just say the 30m a season is close enough then to me, that needs to be adjusted.

Even taking in the Klopp factor of working on the training field first, that figure seems low.

For me, we should be moving heaven and earth to go large sooner rather than later......for me, again, it’s more about the bedding period than squad filling.

Let’s say it is Timo Werner Klopp is after....in a perfect world, I’d rather we pay the premium to get him early so he can hit the ground running next season.




Obviously there’s a ridiculous amount of variables so I’m certainly NOT criticising the club or manager.....but yeah, I’d like to see this form backed up with real intent.

New faces in the dressing room can backfire, but more often than not, for the really well scouted players the squad gets a great bounce from the extra challenge for a place.
I agree that we should do all that we reasonably can, in terms of finances, or at least make it available to the manager. I think that’s what we do, give or take, though I’m not on top of spreadsheets to the nth degree.

If we could sign Timo Werner this month I’m sure we would, but Leipzig said he can’t go until the summer. Beyond the timing we aren’t altogether sure we would be his number one choice, since Bayern Munich have form for snapping up the best young German talent. But hopefully we are in for him and he comes. Fingers crossed.
 

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The problem is that the players that would be of use to us are not generally available in January.
A key point that often gets lost here. It'd be like Madrid fans complaining that we refused to sell Salah to them in the winter window.

That's not to say you can't get quality in January, but it's much harder/costlier and Klopp has shown how specific he is with his targets. We wouldn't be in the position we are now without wise investment and a refusal to panic buy.
 

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Again, you are making the massive assumption that this is a problem of intention rather than availability.

The problem is that the players that would be of use to us are not generally available in January.

Your have an idea that all that’s necessary is for Klopp/Edwards/FSG to decide to spend more and this will automatically lead to LFC having better players.

We have no evidence that we’ve missed out on anyone or compromised the squad because we’ve been unwilling to spend the money.
Personally I think we need a boost up top as Sturridge and Origi have looked of little value. If we can't sign anyone permanently or on loan, I'd think about recalling Wilson.
 

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Personally I think we need a boost up top as Sturridge and Origi have looked of little value. If we can't sign anyone permanently or on loan, I'd think about recalling Wilson.
Nobody is disagreeing that we could do with more firepower up top and now would be preferable, the realism however is that we're looking at such a tiny tiny market of players that meet our pretty specific requirements that those players are pretty much guaranteed to be important players for clubs that are challenging for titles or cl qualification. We can throw as much money as we want at them but they would be absolutely stupid to sell in this window. What logical reason would Leipzig have for selling Werner now? An extra 10m, well CL qualification is worth shit loads more then that and they know us or bayern will be back in the summer anyway.
 

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At this point with TAA due to miss at least a month due to injury, I'd go for a hybrid CB/RB player.

Topping my list would be Benjamin Pavard who played well in the World Cup as well as Joshua Kimmich. Pavard can play RB/CB whilst Kimmich can play RB/DM.

If we can't get a top class target, I'm ok with going for a relatively cheap stop gap player until our starters can return to fitness. I believe Klavan was ok in limited minutes. Maybe another player of his ilk to just shore up the defence for now.
 

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Any players from anywhere available for loan that might be useful?
Someone who a club might be happy to get off the wage bill for a while?
An anelka type loan would be good right now...
 

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At this point with TAA due to miss at least a month due to injury, I'd go for a hybrid CB/RB player.

Topping my list would be Benjamin Pavard who played well in the World Cup as well as Joshua Kimmich. Pavard can play RB/CB whilst Kimmich can play RB/DM.

If we can't get a top class target, I'm ok with going for a relatively cheap stop gap player until our starters can return to fitness. I believe Klavan was ok in limited minutes. Maybe another player of his ilk to just shore up the defence for now.
Pavard has gone to bayern.
 

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Any players from anywhere available for loan that might be useful?
Someone who a club might be happy to get off the wage bill for a while?
An anelka type loan would be good right now...
That statement is a contradiction in terms. At this stage of the season if your available for loan your not that useful. Clubs only loan players when the fail to sell them.
 

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That statement is a contradiction in terms. At this stage of the season if your available for loan your not that useful. Clubs only loan players when the fail to sell them.
Nathaniel Clyne?
 

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Personally I think we need a boost up top as Sturridge and Origi have looked of little value. If we can't sign anyone permanently or on loan, I'd think about recalling Wilson.
Far too much made of Wilson imo. All we’re seeing is gifs of the boss goals. I’ve a few Derby supporting family who say he’s obviously got ability beyond anyone else in the side, but disappears in games and can end up being carried for long stretches.

If Derby come up, I would leave him there another season.
 

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Far too much made of Wilson imo. All we’re seeing is gifs of the boss goals. I’ve a few Derby supporting family who say he’s obviously got ability beyond anyone else in the side, but disappears in games and can end up being carried for long stretches.

If Derby come up, I would leave him there another season.
I went on a Derby forum a couple of weeks ago and saw similar comments - mind you there were a fair few as well telling those saying that they were wrong and nobody else currently at the club could do what Wilson is doing - so daresay there is an element of truth to that.

I really think he'd have something to offer us next season, though, even if it's initially just coming off the bench to give one of our front three a break. His versatility would mean he could provide back-up to any of the three attacking positions behind the CF (assuming we stick with the 4-2-3-1 formation), and his dead-ball ability could prove a valuable weapon to have in the armoury.

But we can all see there's the need to bring in another wide attacker who can provide pace and penetration, if we don't give Wilson a shot now then we either leave ourselves short again or buy someone who'll keep him out permanently. Personally I think he deserves a chance to earn a spot in the squad.
 

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Far too much made of Wilson imo. All we’re seeing is gifs of the boss goals. I’ve a few Derby supporting family who say he’s obviously got ability beyond anyone else in the side, but disappears in games and can end up being carried for long stretches.

If Derby come up, I would leave him there another season.
It's not just a few boss goals though he's been consistently productive at every level of football.

7 goals in 13 for Hull and 11 in 25 for Derby is nothing to be sniffed at. He scored a bucketful for our youth sides including 10 in 12 last year before moving to Hull. He's already got a couple for Wales. I don't really accept the argument that he goes 'missing' often when he's scoring a big goal vitually every other game.

The quality of his goals demonstrate he has the technical ability to play at a higher level. With his versatility too I'd want us to give him a proper chance asap, he can refine the rest of his game here. It also offers encouragement to the other youngsters here and those who we'll try to sign in the future.
 

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It's not just a few boss goals though he's been consistently productive at every level of football.

7 goals in 13 for Hull and 11 in 25 for Derby is nothing to be sniffed at. He scored a bucketful for our youth sides including 10 in 12 last year before moving to Hull. He's already got a couple for Wales. I don't really accept the argument that he goes 'missing' often when he's scoring a big goal vitually every other game.

The quality of his goals demonstrate he has the technical ability to play at a higher level. With his versatility too I'd want us to give him a proper chance asap, he can refine the rest of his game here. It also offers encouragement to the other youngsters here and those who we'll try to sign in the future.
Yes, he is obviously really good, but I’m only going on what people I know who go to watch Derby week in and week out say. They doubt he is ready for Liverpool.

His goal record is great, but does he do everything else that is asked of a player in a Jurgen Klopp side? Will he even get those chances in the Premier League?