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Who would you buy?

ILLOK

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Yes, he is obviously really good, but I’m only going on what people I know who go to watch Derby week in and week out say. They doubt he is ready for Liverpool.

His goal record is great, but does he do everything else that is asked of a player in a Jurgen Klopp side? Will he even get those chances in the Premier League?
Not enough to warrant a starting berth, compare his overall contribution to Mane and he comes up short. So does Shaqiri and he's still had a very positive impact.

The question I'd ask is does Wilson offer more than Lallana or Sturridge? I'd argue he does, even now, and their career trajectories suggest that gap will only widen.
 

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Far too much made of Wilson imo. All we’re seeing is gifs of the boss goals. I’ve a few Derby supporting family who say he’s obviously got ability beyond anyone else in the side, but disappears in games and can end up being carried for long stretches.

If Derby come up, I would leave him there another season.
I agree that he's far from the finished article and definitely not a regular starter for us, but his performances against PL opposition in cup matches this season have been much better than our squad players were able to deliver in our own cup matches against PL opposition.

IMO off the bench he'd contribute more than Sturridge or Origi.

Obviously the club shouldn't be in the position where it even has to consider recalling a developing young player from a good loan, or deny young players loans next season, because well paid senior players can't deliver when called on.

I would have all our young players out on loan next season, we'd see who is good enough and would get back players much more advanced than if they play a bit part here.

But we'll have to replace Clyne, Moreno, a centre back, Lallana, maybe Milner, Origi and Sturridge, and if we can't buy senior replacements, then some young players will have to make up the squad even though it'll stunt their development and compromise our competitiveness.
 

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Not enough to warrant a starting berth, compare his overall contribution to Mane and he comes up short. So does Shaqiri and he's still had a very positive impact.

The question I'd ask is does Wilson offer more than Lallana or Sturridge? I'd argue he does, even now, and their career trajectories suggest that gap will only widen.
I think for me Wilson is reaching or has reached the point where to round out his game and acquire the aspects Klopp looks for, he needs to be training under Klopp and training and playing alongside the players he'll be tasked with understudying, rather than a manager unconnected to Liverpool and the way we play.
 

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I agree that he's far from the finished article and definitely not a regular starter for us, but his performances against PL opposition in cup matches this season have been much better than our squad players were able to deliver in our own cup matches against PL opposition.

IMO off the bench he'd contribute more than Sturridge or Origi.

Obviously the club shouldn't be in the position where it even has to consider recalling a developing young player from a good loan, or deny young players loans next season, because well paid senior players can't deliver when called on.

I would have all our young players out on loan next season, we'd see who is good enough and would get back players much more advanced than if they play a bit part here.

But we'll have to replace Clyne, Moreno, a centre back, Lallana, maybe Milner, Origi and Sturridge, and if we can't buy senior replacements, then some young players will have to make up the squad even though it'll stunt their development and compromise our competitiveness.
I could see us getting a player or players who can cover CB and RB or CB and LB. Few multi functional players will definitely be brought in over the summer imo. Militao (CB/RB), Lloyd Kelly (LB/CB), Sessegnon (LW, WF, LB), Werner (CF, LW, RW, WF) have been linked who can all cover these roles. I would also have Wilson replacing Lallana in the squad.
 

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I think for me Wilson is reaching or has reached the point where to round out his game and acquire the aspects Klopp looks for, he needs to be training under Klopp and training and playing alongside the players he'll be tasked with understudying, rather than a manager unconnected to Liverpool and the way we play.
I’d be worried that at the minute he is doing well playing regular football, and coming back to Liverpool to play ten minute cameos, and the odd cup game would set him back.
 

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I’d be worried that at the minute he is doing well playing regular football, and coming back to Liverpool to play ten minute cameos, and the odd cup game would set him back.
It's hard for us to say definitively what the best approach for Wilson will be, and I'll agree there is a counter-argument to be made in favour of regular game-time. To that I would also say there's likely to be a difference between playing for a club riding high (albeit in a lower league) and one that will probably take a battering should they reach the PL and spend the entire season fighting relegation.

I'm fairly certain Klopp rates him though, and will do whichever he feels is best for him.

I do feel though like if we sign another wide attacker in the summer and send Wilson out on loan that's basically it for him.
 

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Far too much made of Wilson imo. All we’re seeing is gifs of the boss goals. I’ve a few Derby supporting family who say he’s obviously got ability beyond anyone else in the side, but disappears in games and can end up being carried for long stretches.

If Derby come up, I would leave him there another season.
As a counter point, it is harder to stay "in" the game for 90 minutes when your supporting cast is Martyn Waghorn and Mason Mount compared to Salah, Mane and Firmino.
 

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I’d be worried that at the minute he is doing well playing regular football, and coming back to Liverpool to play ten minute cameos, and the odd cup game would set him back.
This is where football would benefit from the dual registration system rugby league operates. This is similar to the system but your not tied for a set period of time. A club say us Liverpool signs a dual registration deal with say Derby every week Liverpool offers a choice of players they can use for that weeks games only they can take them or not they play the games and then come back. this system is in addition to the tried and tested longer term loans.
 

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Just posted this in another thread by mistake:

  • Wilson for Lallana (no cost to us, even if Lallana leaves on a free, improves the squad)
  • Werner for Origi (money from sales of Origi, Ings and Solanke covers the fee for Werner, or close)
  • Militao for Lovren or Matip (guess 20M cost differential)
  • Lloyd Kelly for Moreno (guess 20M cost differential)
  • Tom Heaton for Mignolet (negligible cost differential)

Something like that is very doable with a usual sort of summer budget i.e. not the bumper budget of last year which was heavily influenced by the Coutinho exit. If we did the business listed above the age of squad would come down even further, and the depth of talent would go up.

All positions would be covered. A couple more home based players would be added too.

Job's a good 'un.
 

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Zaha would do the business here, he must be a nightmare to play against. Fair enough it was Milner but he showed him up and Milner isn't shit.
 

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Zaha would do the business here, he must be a nightmare to play against. Fair enough it was Milner but he showed him up and Milner isn't shit.
One of the things he has going for him at Palace is that the balance of their games means that most of their attacks are counters. That means the overwhelming majority of his touches are with quite a bit of space ahead of him. It is a set up that really emphasizes his strengths and something he'd only get here if used as an impact sub in games in which we were already leading. It's probably not the only reason it didnt work for him at Utd, but it was surely a significant part.
 

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One of the things he has going for him at Palace is that the balance of their games means that most of their attacks are counters. That means the overwhelming majority of his touches are with quite a bit of space ahead of him. It is a set up that really emphasizes his strengths and something he'd only get here if used as an impact sub in games in which we were already leading. It's probably not the only reason it didnt work for him at Utd, but it was surely a significant part.
I watched him today and his close control seemed excellent and he has that ability to go from zero to a 100 which gave him the yard to make the cross. I think that ability is what would work here. Mane does it as well.
 

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I watched him today and his close control seemed excellent and he has that ability to go from zero to a 100 which gave him the yard to make the cross. I think that ability is what would work here. Mane does it as well.
Aye. The paradox is that his skills to beat a defender one on one are exactly what you need against a side that defend like Palace so you can start pulling them out of position.

Well, I guess it's only a paradox if we taken as a given that he couldnt make it for us.
 

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Aye. The paradox is that his skills to beat a defender one on one are exactly what you need against a side that defend like Palace so you can start pulling them out of position.

Well, I guess it's only a paradox if we taken as a given that he couldnt make it for us.
And the bonus is he can rip us a new one two games a year!
 

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I actually think Wan-Bissaka would be a decent signing for us as well, compete with TAA for RB and allow Gomez to switch full-time to the centre.
Loved him from the first day, though I expect Tottenham or Chelsea will sign him at some point. I think that commentators said he was a converted winger when he made his debut last season, he certainly played like it in the beginning but he's now playing as a full-fledged right back. I only wonder how good his attacking game will be, he must be a nightmare to defend against. He looks as focused as a brain surgeon when he's up against the winger he's supposed to be marking and his defensive stats are out of this world for a young player!

As for Zaha... I really don't know what to make of him. He's brilliantly talented, probably the best dribbler in the league and among the best with the ball at his feet. Would he score or assist enough, would he fit a team that is used to playing against packed defences? He's improved in defensive aspect, at least he looks like that to me, but he's still the go-to guy at Palace when they need to break, so it's not like he's overburdened with defensive duties.
 

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I actually think Wan-Bissaka would be a decent signing for us as well, compete with TAA for RB and allow Gomez to switch full-time to the centre.
Wan-Bissaka to come as first choice. I rate him higher than Trent. Trent would move to midfield.
 

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Trent's a better footballer than Wan-Bissaka for sure, and it's not even that close IMO. Trent's technique and intelligence on the ball is on a completely different level.

Wan-Bissaka is a meaner defender though and an excellent player in his own right but I wouldn't be moving Trent for him, we'd lose something in our attacking play. As a team that's looking to dominate and win every game we play we need to be brave enough to have players who are great on the ball in every position.
 

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Ok. This may have been mentioned before but as I've not been on here that much over the previous year and a half due to numerous issues and severe mental health problems I don't have the patience to read through about a trillion pages to catch up on the thread.

However it's a point I was discussing with a friend of mine that City are desperate foe someone/anyone who can cover the Fernandinho sized hole in their midfield whenever he's missing and Sarri's inexplicable desire to play Kante in a position different to the one where he's one of the best in the world at. Personally I think that transfer would be perfect for both City and Kante.

However if there's the slightest chance he's available - and given how Sarri views him I honestly think a good enough offer and Kante would be sold - then he could be amazing if we're playing double pivots. Ffs, he'd be amazing if we let him be both double pivots.

We have a lot of strength in depth for our central positions. I have spent years on here 'bigging up' Henderson and a few others but if we really wanted to go 4-2-3-1 and ensure we had an amazing defensive base to build that on (given our very forward thinking full backs) I would be overjoyed to see Fabinho and Kante together mopping up anything that comes their way whilst the rest of the squad would have the confidence to play knowing we'd a security system so good that Ocean's Eleven couldn't break through it.
 

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Ok. This may have been mentioned before but as I've not been on here that much over the previous year and a half due to numerous issues and severe mental health problems I don't have the patience to read through about a trillion pages to catch up on the thread.

However it's a point I was discussing with a friend of mine that City are desperate foe someone/anyone who can cover the Fernandinho sized hole in their midfield whenever he's missing and Sarri's inexplicable desire to play Kante in a position different to the one where he's one of the best in the world at. Personally I think that transfer would be perfect for both City and Kante.

However if there's the slightest chance he's available - and given how Sarri views him I honestly think a good enough offer and Kante would be sold - then he could be amazing if we're playing double pivots. Ffs, he'd be amazing if we let him be both double pivots.

We have a lot of strength in depth for our central positions. I have spent years on here 'bigging up' Henderson and a few others but if we really wanted to go 4-2-3-1 and ensure we had an amazing defensive base to build that on (given our very forward thinking full backs) I would be overjoyed to see Fabinho and Kante together mopping up anything that comes their way whilst the rest of the squad would have the confidence to play knowing we'd a security system so good that Ocean's Eleven couldn't break through it.
came here to post the same thing, essentially, though the city aspect wasn't on my mind

if chelsea misses out on CL and sells hazard, let's say kante manages to obliquely squawk through his agent about the club's direction

not sure i wouldn't offer 150m for him
 

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Wan Bissaka is a brilliant young defender and would be a terrific signing. Better than Trent defensively but Trent overall is better player but as some have said Wan Bissaka could possibly play in the centre aswell and not only would it be a plus for our sake if we brought him here, but potentially it could stop the other big boys from strengthening as he'd walk into most of their teams hands down.