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charleslee89

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Ever had a small chip on your car windscreen turn into a whole window crack when you next hit a speed bump or pothole?

Ever heard the phrase, straw that broke the camels back?

I'm sure you been close to the latter with me at times, but the point is that very small things can turn into much bigger problems.

Success and failure are two sides of a very fine line. You do everything you can to make sure you have no weak spots, no vulnerabilities, no chinks in your armour, because small things can be the difference.

Our defence has become much more vulnerable in January, since we've had defensive injuries. One weak spot has rippled out into the rest of the defence and indeed the team.

There is absolutely no doubt that Clyne is a better full back than Milner and Henderson. It's a real insult to him to say otherwise, when the lad is a specialist who has played for England there.

Milner really struggled against Palace and Henderson was unconvincing defensively against Leicester. Fabinho is clearly needed in midfield, given that the dropped points in January were when he didn't start.

Making do isn't good enough when we pretty much need everything to go right to win the league. Saying everything will be ok when everyone's fit is ridiculous when dropped points in the meantime could be the points that lose you the title in the final reckoning. Never mind that Gomez, Matip and Lovren have considerable injury prone histories.

You don't want makeshift full backs alongside ever changing central defensive partnerships.

Do people not realise what a huge monkey LFC has on its back? 29 years without a league title, one domestic cup in thirteen years, loads of near misses in the past decade that give very real examples of how an inch can be the difference between success and failure.

Allowing a player who'd played as well as he did against United, a player we'd paid for 15 months whilst injured and regaining fitness, to leave when we know so many of our defenders are injury prone, was totally the wrong move.

Saying the lad would be disruptive if kept against his will is an even bigger insult on his professionalism and respect for the club.

So you can mock those who say that Clyne being allowed to leave was the wrong move, with your facetious remarks.

But the reality is that we'd be stronger now if we'd kept him and it is not hindsight to say so, it was obvious at the time.
Well, I think it is better to move this to the player thread or the jurgen klopp thread.
 

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Our defence has become much more vulnerable in January, since we've had defensive injuries.
Your powers of deduction are exceptional. Our defence has been weakened by defensive injuries?

Who the fuck knew?

Ps. Your 'we need everything to go right' line of argument is the real insult...an insult to the squad that has delivered us a position 5 points clear at the top of the league 2/3 of the way through the season.

Just be sure not to celebrate too hard when we're champions. Wouldn't want ya slapping the backs of such a clearly inferior bunch of players.
 

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People can mock and ridicule, but we're the club that never wins anything, so we all clearly know exactly what you need to win trophies and the clubs that win them don't.
 

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People can mock and ridicule, but we're the club that never wins anything, so we all clearly know exactly what you need to win trophies and the clubs that win them don't.
Is the answer Eziquel Mangala?

We are currently in a bit of a defensive issue, albeit only with respect to one game in the CL, and retaining Clyne would have done absolutely nothing to resolve that problem.
 

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Is the answer Eziquel Mangala?

We are currently in a bit of a defensive issue, albeit only with respect to one game in the CL, and retaining Clyne would have done absolutely nothing to resolve that problem.
We have a defensive issue that was wholly predictable and was predicted by some of us last summer when we didn't do anything about having so many injury prone centre backs (Matip out 5 months last season, Gomez out a quarter of the season, Lovren injured every six matches) and then let Klavan go instead of keeping him for insurance against this risk. Now we let Clyne go too.

You'd think a club with a statistical genius like Edwards and Hedge Fund owners would be able to identify risk and mitigate it.
 
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We need to see some proper investment in the summer. Build around Alisson, Robertson, van Dijk, Gomez, Mane, Salah and Firmino. A good base but needs to be a lot stronger with more depth. A few key additions would really help.

Midfield remains a concern and is probably the weakest part of our team. Fabinho is improving which is great. But another central and attacking midfielder would be ideal. Ndombele, Aouar, Havertz, Eriksen are all players to have a look at.

In defence we're pretty reliant on two or three. Lovren and Matip are not dependable. Quality wise and in staying fit. Gomez has had a few injuries. Moreno and Clyne will likely be gone. We need better options.

Up front we don't have much behind the front three and this is a bit of an issue. Sturridge and Origi likely to be gone as well. Certainly an area which needs to be addressed. There's scope for a wide forward and a striker but we need to find that balance.

With all that being said we need to continue from a relative position of strength and not be too complacent. Existing players signing new contracts, that alone, won't quite cut it.
 

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We have a defensive issue that was wholly predictable and was predicted by some of us last summer when we didn't do anything about having so many injury prone centre backs (Matip out 5 months last season, Gomez out a quarter of the season, Lovren injured every six matches) and then let Klavan go instead of keeping him for insurance against this risk. Now we let Clyne go too.

You'd think a club with a statistical genius like Edwards and Hendge Fund owners would be able to identify risk and mitigate it.
The Lovren/Matip thing is a totally reasonable gripe, and you are not the only person who airs it. In hindsight we would have probably been better off this year by keeping Klavan and moving on Matip, and that move would have probably given Klavan an expectation of enough games to satisfy him. It probably didnt need hindsight to figure that out either given Matip's history of frailty. However, in saying all that it is important to realise that Matip is actually the one of our CB corps who is most likely to be available for the Bayern game, so again, this obvious looking solution wouldnt necessarily solve the immediate issue we're facing.

The frustration with you and your posting is that you connect it to totally unrelated issues like the loss of Clyne. It's like a wife using me not picking my jeans up off the bedroom floor to have a go at me for something I said 3 weeks ago.
 

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We have a defensive issue that was wholly predictable and was predicted by some of us last summer when we didn't do anything about having so many injury prone centre backs (Matip out 5 months last season, Gomez out a quarter of the season, Lovren injured every six matches) and then let Klavan go instead of keeping him for insurance against this risk. Now we let Clyne go too.

You'd think a club with a statistical genius like Edwards and Hendge Fund owners would be able to identify risk and mitigate it.
Of course, Klavan is not playing with an achilles injury. But sure...
 

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We have a defensive issue that was wholly predictable and was predicted by some of us last summer when we didn't do anything about having so many injury prone centre backs (Matip out 5 months last season, Gomez out a quarter of the season, Lovren injured every six matches) and then let Klavan go instead of keeping him for insurance against this risk. Now we let Clyne go too.

You'd think a club with a statistical genius like Edwards and Hendge Fund owners would be able to identify risk and mitigate it.
They did. Klopp has already said that Fabinho was brought with those considerations in mind. And, we didnt drop points because he wasnt playing in midfield.
 

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We need to see some proper investment in the summer. Build around Alisson, Robertson, van Dijk, Gomez, Mane, Salah and Firmino. A good base but needs to be a lot stronger with more depth. A few key additions would really help.

Midfield remains a concern and is probably the weakest part of our team. Fabinho is improving which is great. But another central and attacking midfielder would be ideal. Ndombele, Aouar, Havertz, Eriksen are all players to have a look at.

In defence we're pretty reliant on two or three. Lovren and Matip are not dependable. Quality wise and in staying fit. Gomez has had a few injuries. Moreno and Clyne will likely be gone. We need better options.

Up front we don't have much behind the front three and this is a bit of an issue. Sturridge and Origi likely to be gone as well. Certainly an area which needs to be addressed. There's scope for a wide forward and a striker but we need to find that balance.

With all that being said we need to continue from a relative position of strength and not be too complacent. Existing players signing new contracts, that alone, won't quite cut it.
If you asked me two or three months ago what was the part of this Liverpool side that I thought was in need of upgrading, I'd have said "midfield". Right now, with Fabinho and Wijnaldum impressing in double pivot, Henderson, Milner and Keita providing options, Firmino playing as an attacking midfielder/no. 10/second striker more often than not and Oxlade-Chamberlain hopefully returning fully fit ahead of the next season, I'd say that it's the defence that needs upgrading, not because of distinct lack of quality but their fitness that is unreliable, to put it mildly.

I wonder if there are any regrets with Klopp over not moving forward with signing a centre back he will probably sign this summer. I think he put most of his eggs in the Joe Gomez-returning-in-six-weeks basket and it backfired, especially with Lovren and Matip also being very prone to injuries. That said, it's a big question whether any new signing would have been able to slot in seamlessly in a team where centre backs need to be as close to complete football players as possible. Catch 22 situation... I hate injuries.
 

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Can someone tell Edwards to go find the real world version of Dr. Rudy Wells? Maybe that's the man we should be looking to give contract to.....
 

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If you asked me two or three months ago what was the part of this Liverpool side that I thought was in need of upgrading, I'd have said "midfield". Right now, with Fabinho and Wijnaldum impressing in double pivot, Henderson, Milner and Keita providing options, Firmino playing as an attacking midfielder/no. 10/second striker more often than not and Oxlade-Chamberlain hopefully returning fully fit ahead of the next season, I'd say that it's the defence that needs upgrading, not because of distinct lack of quality but their fitness that is unreliable, to put it mildly.

I wonder if there are any regrets with Klopp over not moving forward with signing a centre back he will probably sign this summer. I think he put most of his eggs in the Joe Gomez-returning-in-six-weeks basket and it backfired, especially with Lovren and Matip also being very prone to injuries. That said, it's a big question whether any new signing would have been able to slot in seamlessly in a team where centre backs need to be as close to complete football players as possible. Catch 22 situation... I hate injuries.
Yeah the Gomez one has screwed us a bit considering he can cover TAA as well.

I'm a bit behind on info with his injury so is the latest issue related to the original injury or another later one? If its the former i'd be looking carefully at the original assessment he was given. It probably influenced his thinking over the last month.

I t does look like another defender is becoming a priority for the Summer but I'll be honest I just don't know.
 

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I like what I see with Crystal Palace's Aaron Wan-Bisakka (not too sure of the spelling). He looks to have it all as a defender and is young, so the club could have several good years from him and get a good sell-on price later.

Edit: Bissaka
 
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We have a defensive issue that was wholly predictable and was predicted by some of us last summer when we didn't do anything about having so many injury prone centre backs (Matip out 5 months last season, Gomez out a quarter of the season, Lovren injured every six matches) and then let Klavan go instead of keeping him for insurance against this risk. Now we let Clyne go too.

You'd think a club with a statistical genius like Edwards and Hedge Fund owners would be able to identify risk and mitigate it.
And once again you fail spectacularly to recognise Clyne leaving was Klopps decision no-one else’s. Why? You have an anti FSG agenda, it drives every single one of your posts.
 

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And once again you fail spectacularly to recognise Clyne leaving was Klopps decision no-one else’s. Why? You have an anti FSG agenda, it drives every single one of your posts.
If you think that everything that goes on in an organisation is how it appears from the outside, you've not spent much time in the higher echelons of organisations.

Look at the end of the day, I don't care who fucked up with Clyne, it was a poor decision.

But I accept it's done and the club just has to cope with this predictable injury crisis.
 

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If you think that everything that goes on in an organisation is how it appears from the outside, you've not spent much time in the higher echelons of organisations.

Look at the end of the day, I don't care who fucked up with Clyne, it was a poor decision.

But I accept it's done and the club just has to cope with this predictable injury crisis.
I know Klopp doesn't bullshit, I know he cares about players as humans more than most managers.

Can you explain how can you predict an injury crisis? Gomez fractured a bone in a tackle, that could happen at any time to any player...