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Who would you buy?

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Any out of contract players that we could sign are not going to have the match-fitness, quality or tactical familiarity of any of our existing back up options even if that means playing senior players out of position or promoting from the academy (eg Hoever). Even getting emergency cover in during the window would have taken them some time to get up to speed by which time Virgil's served his suspension, Lovren, Trent and perhaps even Gomez are fit...so what's the point?

The only signings that could have made sense would have been those we were looking to bring in during the summer in any case. If they're not available in January then I don't see much point in signing anyone else.
 


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‘I love Klopp, but I wish he’d go into the market and buy players to fill short term needs, and be willing to let lads rot in the reserves for the good of the team’ makes about as much sense as ‘I love Mourinho but wish he’d play attractive attacking football’ or ‘I love Hodgson but I wish he wasn’t such a fucking bewildered owl’
 

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If you asked me two or three months ago what was the part of this Liverpool side that I thought was in need of upgrading, I'd have said "midfield". Right now, with Fabinho and Wijnaldum impressing in double pivot, Henderson, Milner and Keita providing options, Firmino playing as an attacking midfielder/no. 10/second striker more often than not and Oxlade-Chamberlain hopefully returning fully fit ahead of the next season, I'd say that it's the defence that needs upgrading, not because of distinct lack of quality but their fitness that is unreliable, to put it mildly.

I wonder if there are any regrets with Klopp over not moving forward with signing a centre back he will probably sign this summer. I think he put most of his eggs in the Joe Gomez-returning-in-six-weeks basket and it backfired, especially with Lovren and Matip also being very prone to injuries. That said, it's a big question whether any new signing would have been able to slot in seamlessly in a team where centre backs need to be as close to complete football players as possible. Catch 22 situation... I hate injuries.
I see more upside in midfield to develop and improve. Against the better sides we don't always fear that well. We've got some good players but not really that calibre of player who's world class or close to it. Fabinho might well prove to be one. Keita possibly but is not firing at the moment.

In defence we're sorted with Alisson, Robertson and van Dijk. Gomez has shown enough. Alexander-Arnold hasn't always convinced but he's progressing. Better options are needed though especially when there's injuries or rotation. Sell one of Matip or Lovren then look at perhaps one of the following: de Ligt, Upamecano, Militao, Koulibaly, Skriniar, Alderweireld.

Which players we might move for and buy I'm not sure but an injection of a few top players would really help to round out this squad. The club has more than a few expendable players we can sell, raise funds and invest.
 

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When thinking about who to buy this summer I think we need to look at the strength of the current side. Got me thinking how people would rate our current options. It's hard to do as it's arguable which formation is our plan A these days. I think going forward we may see the 4411 or 4231 we've been using more frequently as our more regular formation with 433 a more occasional plan B and 442 as a plan C so I'll concentrate on 4231/4411. I've tried to take into account if there's realistic potential for improvement with the current personnel too.

Keeper;
Starter: Alisson 90% currently potential 95%.
Back up: Mignolet 75% currently potential 75%.
Emergency cover: Kelleher 60% currently potential 85%(?).

Only concern is how poor a fit Mignolet is tactically. We could have a lower quality keeper who plays the right way and actually improve. If we could find a keeper who is the right fit and as good as/better than Mignolet we would be flying.

Center Backs;
Starters: Van Dijk and Gomez 90% currently potential 95%.
Cover: Lovren and Matip 85% currently potential 85%.
Emergency cover: Fabinho and Hoever 80% currently potential 90%.

Quality wise we are flying here especially if Hoever keeps developing. But with Gomez, Lovren and Matip all missing significant game time something may have to change here sooner or later.

Full Backs;
Starters: Alexander-Arnold and Robertson 85% currently potential 95%.
Cover: Clyne, Gomez and Moreno 75% currently potential 75%.
Emergency cover: Camacho, Hoever, Lewis, Fabinho, Henderson, Milner, Ox and Shaqiri 75% currently potential 85% (?).

Clyne and Moreno are probably off and a lot of our emergency cover is only appropriate for the right. If Milner leaves too the left is looking very bare. Need a senior player comfortable at LB whether that's a left sided Gomez type like Romagnoli or someone who can play LB and left wing like Guerreiro or Sessegnon. On the right we might cope but could do with Camacho kicking on or the new left sided guy able to play right back too.

Centre Mid;
Starters (arguably): Wijnaldum and Fabinho 85% currently potential 90%.
Cover: Keita, Henderson, Milner 80% currently potential 90%.
Emergency cover: Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Grujic, Ox 70% currently potential 85%.

If Keita gets up to speed there is no need to change anything in this area. If anything we might have too many numbers if Milner doesn't leave and Grujic comes back.

Wings;
Starters: Ox and Mane(?) 85% currently potential 90%.
Cover: Shaqiri, Origi and Keita 75% currently potential 80%.
Emergency cover: Salah, Firmino, Moreno, Lallana 80% currently potential 80%.

Hard to know what's the thinking here. It's the one area on the pitch I'm not sure I'm happy with the starting choices with Ox and Shaqiri both being good but not great to play on one side whilst Mane starts the other. Keita and Origi shouldn't really be options in this formation and as great as Salah is he's needed up front. None of the emergency options should really be played wide in this formation. Maybe Wilson and/or Kent may return and offer something but I think we need to improve an option or two. Maybe Camacho could be an option? A Sessegnon type to cover LB and wing? A Werner type?

Central attacking mid;
Starter: Firmino 85% currently potential 90%.
Cover: Ox and Shaqiri 85% currently potential 95%.
Emergency cover: Keita, Lallana, Sturridge, Wijnaldum, Mane 70% currently potential 85%.

After the failure to land Fekir who I think would have been the starter here I don't think there's a hole anymore. Firmino backed up by Ox, Shaqiri, Mane and the likes? It's looking strong in numbers, quality and tactical fit. Can imagine Wilson replacing Lallana as an option here too.

Centre Forward;
Starter: Salah 95% currently potential 99%(?).
Cover: Firmino 85% currently potential 90%.
Emergency cover: Sturridge, Origi and Brewster 70% currently potential (Brewster only) 85%(+?).

For me I think this highlights where we are weak and strong. CF is great if Firmino (great choice) or Salah (insanely good choice) are being picked but Firmino should really be starting in the hole so someone else should be brought in. It's not like that player would get lots of game time at CF though so if they can start wide sometimes too that would be best. Werner or someone like him would make a lot of sense.

Sorry for such a long post.
 
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I see more upside in midfield to develop and improve. Against the better sides we don't always fear that well. We've got some good players but not really that calibre of player who's world class or close to it. Fabinho might well prove to be one. Keita possibly but is not firing at the moment.

In defence we're sorted with Alisson, Robertson and van Dijk. Gomez has shown enough. Alexander-Arnold hasn't always convinced but he's progressing. Better options are needed though especially when there's injuries or rotation. Sell one of Matip or Lovren then look at perhaps one of the following: de Ligt, Upamecano, Militao, Koulibaly, Skriniar, Alderweireld.

Which players we might move for and buy I'm not sure but an injection of a few top players would really help to round out this squad. The club has more than a few expendable players we can sell, raise funds and invest.
One thing I’m looking forward to is that even if we finish second, we’ll be investing from a position of strength.

Our previous three second placed finishes were marked by implosions. It will be different this year. We can build on what we have rather than watch it drift off to Real and Barca.

I’d expect the club to net about eighty million in sales, and add to that to make a tidy war chest.

I know what I’d be doing, but I think Klopp has to answer a few questions regarding young players, before we get a sense of his plans?

- is Camacho ready to deputise the right back position?
- is Harry Wilson ready to be a squad player?
- does Ben Woodburn have a future here?
- is Hoever ready to be an option?
- is Trent’s long term future at Right Back?
- what state will Rhian Brewster be in?

Klopp won’t spend money if he thinks there is a kid ready to break through.
 



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Realistic business I see happening this summer;

Mignolet and Karius leave a second choice keeper brought in.

Matip potentially moving on in which case a CB who can play LB brought in.

Moreno leaving and someone who can play more than one position but definitely a good LB option brought in.

Milner being allowed an emotional return to Leeds with Keita moved back into CM permanently to replace his role there.

Lallana allowed to move on and Wilson given a role in the squad strengthening our options in the three roles behind the striker.

Sturridge allowed to move on with his place in the squad taken by Brewster and other kids.

Origi allowed to leave and someone brought in who is a good strong option wide and centre forward.

Finally if a real good opportunity presents itself such as Rabiot on a free we make it work and find space for them.

Makes a minimum of 3 incoming possible CB and Possible if great deals come along to take advantage of. Generally not much business though quality not quantity.
 

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Funny really.

Since we released Clyne on a loan it’s been a disaster, we’ve only increased our lead by one point.
We were 7 points ahead when we loaned Clyne, so have reduced our lead by two points.

The Lovren/Matip thing is a totally reasonable gripe, and you are not the only person who airs it. In hindsight we would have probably been better off this year by keeping Klavan and moving on Matip, and that move would have probably given Klavan an expectation of enough games to satisfy him. It probably didnt need hindsight to figure that out either given Matip's history of frailty. However, in saying all that it is important to realise that Matip is actually the one of our CB corps who is most likely to be available for the Bayern game, so again, this obvious looking solution wouldnt necessarily solve the immediate issue we're facing.

The frustration with you and your posting is that you connect it to totally unrelated issues like the loss of Clyne. It's like a wife using me not picking my jeans up off the bedroom floor to have a go at me for something I said 3 weeks ago.
The issues are wholly connected.

Last summer we had 9 defenders at one point - Clyne, TAA, Lovren, VVD, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Robertson.

Personally I felt we lacked quality in that bunch, and I was worried about so many of them being injury prone. I advocated selling two centre backs and buying De Ligt, but thought that at least we had bodies who could always form a decent defence until VVD's guidance.

When we sold Klavan, our decision and coincidentally after we failed to move on more desirable players to exit, it felt like a way of trimming wages and getting a few quid. I felt that a player who'd done ok was worth keeping for the season we finally hoped to win the title.

Then we loaned Clyne, a player who not only would surely be better at right back than a midfielder, and/or if we end up with a midfielder at centre back, but a player who could probably do a good job at right sided centre back alongside VVD if required.

So we went from 9 defenders to 7.

Now we always seem to have two or three defensive injuries, so there's a big difference between 9 and 7 in terms of who you can then field as a specialist defensive unit.

Moving midfielders isn't the answer when your whole beefed up midfield squad was to offset the issues last season when fatigue and injuries affected us there.

Sorry, but loaning Clyne was, like Klavan, a questionable move.

I know Klopp doesn't bullshit, I know he cares about players as humans more than most managers.

Can you explain how can you predict an injury crisis? Gomez fractured a bone in a tackle, that could happen at any time to any player...
Because Gomez, Matip and Lovren always spend large chunks of any season injured.

If he hadn't broken his leg he'd probably have gotten injured due to something else. He missed the end of last season just from jumping up and down in an England match.

Besides there's a phrase, accident prone and bone resilience varies person to person. Who is to say that Gomez suffered a break that another player wouldn't. His slow bone healing certainly suggests that.

Everyone on here is entitled to their own level of satisfaction with how LFC is being run.

My view remains that the club has made mistakes, whether in judgement or due to financial reasons, and has left us with a squad that could yet be undermined because of it.

I really hope we win the league, it's not in my interests for us not to, I wouldn't get pleasure from saying I told you so.

But personally I think injuries will do for us, and I think we'll bottle it in the end.

But if we don't win the league this season we never will and that for me will, quite rightly, start to make those players who bought into this project, have justifiable concerns.

Frankly, if any of Alisson, VVD, Salah, Bobby or Mane decided they'd have a better chance of consistently winning things elsewhere I'd agree with them and wish them well.
 

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We were 7 points ahead when we loaned Clyne, so have reduced our lead by two points.



The issues are wholly connected.

Last summer we had 9 defenders at one point - Clyne, TAA, Lovren, VVD, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Robertson.

Personally I felt we lacked quality in that bunch, and I was worried about so many of them being injury prone. I advocated selling two centre backs and buying De Ligt, but thought that at least we had bodies who could always form a decent defence until VVD's guidance.

When we sold Klavan, our decision and coincidentally after we failed to move on more desirable players to exit, it felt like a way of trimming wages and getting a few quid. I felt that a player who'd done ok was worth keeping for the season we finally hoped to win the title.

Then we loaned Clyne, a player who not only would surely be better at right back than a midfielder, and/or if we end up with a midfielder at centre back, but a player who could probably do a good job at right sided centre back alongside VVD if required.

So we went from 9 defenders to 7.

Now we always seem to have two or three defensive injuries, so there's a big difference between 9 and 7 in terms of who you can then field as a specialist defensive unit.

Moving midfielders isn't the answer when your whole beefed up midfield squad was to offset the issues last season when fatigue and injuries affected us there.

Sorry, but loaning Clyne was, like Klavan, a questionable move.



Because Gomez, Matip and Lovren always spend large chunks of any season injured.

If he hadn't broken his leg he'd probably have gotten injured due to something else. He missed the end of last season just from jumping up and down in an England match.

Besides there's a phrase, accident prone and bone resilience varies person to person. Who is to say that Gomez suffered a break that another player wouldn't. His slow bone healing certainly suggests that.

Everyone on here is entitled to their own level of satisfaction with how LFC is being run.

My view remains that the club has made mistakes, whether in judgement or due to financial reasons, and has left us with a squad that could yet be undermined because of it.

I really hope we win the league, it's not in my interests for us not to, I wouldn't get pleasure from saying I told you so.

But personally I think injuries will do for us, and I think we'll bottle it in the end.

But if we don't win the league this season we never will and that for me will, quite rightly, start to make those players who bought into this project, have justifiable concerns.

Frankly, if any of Alisson, VVD, Salah, Bobby or Mane decided they'd have a better chance of consistently winning things elsewhere I'd agree with them and wish them well.
Given your unchanging views no matter our performance or standing, perhaps you should apply that last paragraph to yourself too.
 



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‘I love Klopp, but I wish he’d go into the market and buy players to fill short term needs, and be willing to let lads rot in the reserves for the good of the team’ makes about as much sense as ‘I love Mourinho but wish he’d play attractive attacking football’ or ‘I love Hodgson but I wish he wasn’t such a fucking bewildered owl’
hahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!
 

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We were 7 points ahead when we loaned Clyne, so have reduced our lead by two points.



The issues are wholly connected.

Last summer we had 9 defenders at one point - Clyne, TAA, Lovren, VVD, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Robertson.

Personally I felt we lacked quality in that bunch, and I was worried about so many of them being injury prone. I advocated selling two centre backs and buying De Ligt, but thought that at least we had bodies who could always form a decent defence until VVD's guidance.

When we sold Klavan, our decision and coincidentally after we failed to move on more desirable players to exit, it felt like a way of trimming wages and getting a few quid. I felt that a player who'd done ok was worth keeping for the season we finally hoped to win the title.

Then we loaned Clyne, a player who not only would surely be better at right back than a midfielder, and/or if we end up with a midfielder at centre back, but a player who could probably do a good job at right sided centre back alongside VVD if required.

So we went from 9 defenders to 7.

Now we always seem to have two or three defensive injuries, so there's a big difference between 9 and 7 in terms of who you can then field as a specialist defensive unit.

Moving midfielders isn't the answer when your whole beefed up midfield squad was to offset the issues last season when fatigue and injuries affected us there.

Sorry, but loaning Clyne was, like Klavan, a questionable move.



Because Gomez, Matip and Lovren always spend large chunks of any season injured.

If he hadn't broken his leg he'd probably have gotten injured due to something else. He missed the end of last season just from jumping up and down in an England match.

Besides there's a phrase, accident prone and bone resilience varies person to person. Who is to say that Gomez suffered a break that another player wouldn't. His slow bone healing certainly suggests that.

Everyone on here is entitled to their own level of satisfaction with how LFC is being run.

My view remains that the club has made mistakes, whether in judgement or due to financial reasons, and has left us with a squad that could yet be undermined because of it.

I really hope we win the league, it's not in my interests for us not to, I wouldn't get pleasure from saying I told you so.

But personally I think injuries will do for us, and I think we'll bottle it in the end.

But if we don't win the league this season we never will and that for me will, quite rightly, start to make those players who bought into this project, have justifiable concerns.

Frankly, if any of Alisson, VVD, Salah, Bobby or Mane decided they'd have a better chance of consistently winning things elsewhere I'd agree with them and wish them well.
We’ll consistently be title challengers for the next few seasons barring some sort of massive collapse.
 

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In other news seems like Higuaín is proving the theory on here that January loan signings are a waste of time.
 



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Then we loaned Clyne, a player who not only would surely be better at right back than a midfielder, and/or if we end up with a midfielder at centre back, but a player who could probably do a good job at right sided centre back alongside VVD if required.
You keep ignoring that when Milner and Clyne were both available, Klopp picked Milner. So fundamental to your gripe is a "truth" you have created out of thin air that is not consistent with Klopp's view of the players.

You also keep ignoring that our issues are currently at CB not at RB. Unless you imagine Clyne filling in at CB whether or not he is here plays no role in how we go about addressing that issue for the Bayern game.
 



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@Limiescouse Clyne played well against Manc after so many months out.

I'm not saying we should have kept him if he's not in Klopp's plans. The RB position should have cover and we needed to buy someone. Just like the CB position needed another back up.

We did not act, End of story.
 

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@Limiescouse Clyne played well against Manc after so many months out.

I'm not saying we should have kept him if he's not in Klopp's plans. The RB position should have cover and we needed to buy someone. Just like the CB position needed another back up.

We did not act, End of story.
He did play well, yet even after that was still considered 4th choice. That speaks to the cover we already have at the position. CB is a different issue. My main objection is using the exit of Clyne to speak with exasperation about our failings with respect to our CBs.
 

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He did play well, yet even after that was still considered 4th choice. That speaks to the cover we already have at the position. CB is a different issue. My main objection is using the exit of Clyne to speak with exasperation about our failings with respect to our CBs.
No way was Clyne worse than Hendo or Milner at right back. Clyne was the second best right back at the club.

Fabinho can't be cited given that we never use him there.

In a few weeks time we might find ourselves in the position where Clyne at centre back would be better than the options available by then.
 

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No way was Clyne worse than Hendo or Milner at right back. Clyne was the second best right back at the club.

Fabinho can't be cited given that we never use him there.

In a few weeks time we might find ourselves in the position where Clyne at centre back would be better than the options available by then.
Realistically, I think he was behind Trent, Milner, Gomez, and possibly Camacho.

We can’t be keeping lads on the books in case three or four other players get injured - no-one has that depth, and it’s likrly to be counter productive to depend players stay at the club when they have little prospect of a game. Especially when the manager values squad harmony like ours.

Time to let this one go now.
 

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No way was Clyne worse than Hendo or Milner at right back. Clyne was the second best right back at the club.

Fabinho can't be cited given that we never use him there.

In a few weeks time we might find ourselves in the position where Clyne at centre back would be better than the options available by then.
You moan more than my fucking wife! (and i dont mean when we're in the bedroom)

If you cant take any pleasure out of being top of the league then i dont know why you bother watching football. If id have said to you at the start of the season we'd be top of the league at the beginning of February youd have snatched my fucking hand off. I, like many others expected us and everybody else to be chasing city!

Just give your constant negativity a rest for 5 mins and enjoy football for a change. You neg me out with your constant complaining about this and that!

I really hope to win the league as i was only 11 or 12 the last time we won it. Ill be ecstatic if we do. But you're now making me think id rather rub it in your face if we do! That says something about you more than it does me.

If we do win it and i know its a big 'if'. But if we do just think of all the hours you've wasted typing negative shit all season.

Try to enjoy mate. Lifes to short.

(And please dont respond about clyne or not signing someone in January. Ive read the same posts a few hundred times already)

(Oh....or about fsg taking money out of the club. Those cheeky cunts wanting a return on their investment)
 



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No way was Clyne worse than Hendo or Milner at right back. Clyne was the second best right back at the club.

Fabinho can't be cited given that we never use him there.

In a few weeks time we might find ourselves in the position where Clyne at centre back would be better than the options available by then.
Fabinho can be cited. He has a fair amount of experience at RB and would have probably played at RB against Leicester if fit.
 

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No way was Clyne worse than Hendo or Milner at right back. Clyne was the second best right back at the club.
Yet there were 3 other players who had to be unavailable before Klopp picked him. It is fine to disagree with Klopp's decisions about the pecking order. Your argument is pointless if it based on a pecking order that existed only in your head, which is the case.
 

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You moan more than my fucking wife! (and i dont mean when we're in the bedroom)

If you cant take any pleasure out of being top of the league then i dont know why you bother watching football. If id have said to you at the start of the season we'd be top of the league at the beginning of February youd have snatched my fucking hand off. I, like many others expected us and everybody else to be chasing city!

Just give your constant negativity a rest for 5 mins and enjoy football for a change. You neg me out with your constant complaining about this and that!

I really hope to win the league as i was only 11 or 12 the last time we won it. Ill be ecstatic if we do. But you're now making me think id rather rub it in your face if we do! That says something about you more than it does me.

If we do win it and i know its a big 'if'. But if we do just think of all the hours you've wasted typing negative shit all season.

Try to enjoy mate. Lifes to short.

(And please dont respond about clyne or not signing someone in January. Ive read the same posts a few hundred times already)

(Oh....or about fsg taking money out of the club. Those cheeky cunts wanting a return on their investment)
@Druss Good post, sounds a bit harsh on your wife though! :tongue:
 

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You moan more than my fucking wife! (and i dont mean when we're in the bedroom)

If you cant take any pleasure out of being top of the league then i dont know why you bother watching football. If id have said to you at the start of the season we'd be top of the league at the beginning of February youd have snatched my fucking hand off. I, like many others expected us and everybody else to be chasing city!

Just give your constant negativity a rest for 5 mins and enjoy football for a change. You neg me out with your constant complaining about this and that!

I really hope to win the league as i was only 11 or 12 the last time we won it. Ill be ecstatic if we do. But you're now making me think id rather rub it in your face if we do! That says something about you more than it does me.

If we do win it and i know its a big 'if'. But if we do just think of all the hours you've wasted typing negative shit all season.

Try to enjoy mate. Lifes to short.

(And please dont respond about clyne or not signing someone in January. Ive read the same posts a few hundred times already)

(Oh....or about fsg taking money out of the club. Those cheeky cunts wanting a return on their investment)
Best post I've read on here in years.